(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

This is so not true lol. Literally everybody knew NIU had major talent issues at QB coming into this year.

(11-24-2017 04:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

This is so not true lol. Literally everybody knew NIU had major talent issues at QB coming into this year.

Maybe some limitations but no one can argue this coaching staff minimizes talent at QB, that cannot even be disputed now. The NIU football program is a disaster in terms of QB development. I would strongly urge any promising QB recruit to avoid NIU at all costs right now. I love NIU football, but not enough to see talent wasted by coming to a program that has not clue 1 how to handle/develop QBs. It is the biggest disaster I have ever seen.

(11-24-2017 04:01 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:57 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Yay, we beat crappy teams for our 8 wins. We only played four teams with winning records and lost to all of them. Likely to be 8-5 after we lose by a lot to a SBC school.

Carey pulled a magic trick, he was so bad last year that he makes mediocrity look like success.

You realize winning 8+ games at NIU will always be a success, right?

They aren't going to win 10 games a year. It's a totally unrealistic expectation.

If you took a poll here after the Orange Bowl asking “how many conference titles would NIU win in the next 5 years?”

Over 90% of people would have answered “Over 1.”’

I have never said my expectation was winning 10 games a year. I don’t know where you got that from.

I have no idea who calls plays.It ultimately falls on the HC. The decision to run or pass, short or long, the package, the tempo.

They have enough talent around the QB to win this game. That's the focus. Not next yr, next game. Not past MAC titles, MACC. THIS game. Coach THIS game.

I don't know what happened in that 2nd half. It's not like a team with far better talent played to ability across from them. This team, offense lost the game.

Not the end of the world, but a 17 pt lead and zero 2nd half pts is not to be overlooked. And once again, a questionable TO, play calling and on field personnel packages can be questioned.

(11-24-2017 04:05 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  I have no idea who calls plays.It ultimately falls on the HC. The decision to run or pass, short or long, the package, the tempo.

They have enough talent around the QB to win this game. That's the focus. Not next yr, next game. Not past MAC titles, MACC. THIS game. Coach THIS game.

I don't know what happened in that 2nd half. It's not like a team with far better talent played to ability across from them. This team, offense lost the game.

Not the end of the world, but a 17 pt lead and zero 2nd half pts is not to be overlooked. And once again, a questionable TO, play calling and on field personnel packages can be questioned.

In all fairness defense played horrible in the 2nd half and was just as much at fault. It gets hard though when have a coach that does not like to be in possession of the football.

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

The lack of offensive production doomed our defense.

(11-24-2017 04:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

This is so not true lol. Literally everybody knew NIU had major talent issues at QB coming into this year.

Maybe some limitations but no one can argue this coaching staff minimizes talent at QB, that cannot even be disputed now. The NIU football program is a disaster in terms of QB development. I would strongly urge any promising QB recruit to avoid NIU at all costs right now. I love NIU football, but not enough to see talent wasted by coming to a program that has not clue 1 how to handle/develop QBs. It is the biggest disaster I have ever seen.

I just don't see how this is true. Carey was the offensive coordinator for Lynch and they developed Hare into a pretty solid QB. Hell, when Maddie was at QB last year they did a good job of utilizing his skills.

The lack of talent at QB this year absolutely 100% falls on the coaching staff. But I don't see how saying they can't develop a guy is based in fact.

How many wins was everybody expecting at the start of the season? I recall a consensus of 7-5 as the ceiling. Now, NIU out performs that while playing three quarterbacks and Rod Carey deserves to be fired because we might as well be 2-10 Ball State? Y'all are wild.

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Childers. You have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have. Therefore you will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Childers. You have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have. Therefore you will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

I don't know, man. What realistically are the coaches supposed to do to make Childers better? He's an average at best runner who can't throw a deep ball. In NIU's 2 conference losses, he threw 4 picks.

(11-24-2017 04:07 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  The lack of offensive production doomed our defense.

Our offense makes defenses look good. Even Kent St scored more offensive points against CMU than we did. Only two other teams scored less than we did all season against them.

I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

(11-24-2017 04:13 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

I really think in hindsight making Cole the scapegoat for how 2015 ended was probably Carey's worst move as head coach.

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:10 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:06 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  The defense exceeded expectations. By quite a bit. The offense was pretty bad. It feels like a waste. Just an average offense and a macc or 10 wins was possible. But more so, I think the negativity is that we still have no QB for next year. You don't get a defense like this often. And you shouldn't have such bad QBs this often either. Hard to believe they happened at the same time.

The bigger negative is coaching. NIU has the talent at QB, just not talent that can succeed under this coaching staff

That's your belief. Pretty much only you. Your agenda is to knock Carey. If Childers fails, it's Carey. If NIU only wins 9 games, it's Carey. I don't see talent at QB. You do. you have built up an excuse wall around any opinions you have...this guy is good-unless Carey ruins him. Therefore You will always be right. It's a good agenda. Enjoy it.

Its not an agenda, it is just watching a broken record over and over and over again. We know Carey can't handle evaluation of the QB position, why does he continue to be involved in decisions involving the quarterback. By opening day, we never know who the starter is going to be, how does that build anything. It just blows my mind the ONE job a coach should be responsible for, Carey is incapable of handling. Carey is better served as an offensive line coach, or something to that degree. He is in over his head right now, I hate to be so harsh, but thinking ahead to next season when a QB decision still wont be made until Week 7 of the season is just too hard to stomach. Carey is afraid of making mistakes, afraid of players making mistakes, and it has crippled this football program

Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

(11-24-2017 04:13 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

Hopefully the offense will improve as much as the defense did from last year. Kane went from goat to hero. Coach U can as well

(11-24-2017 03:41 PM)7 Wrote:  8-4 is about right for this team. We came into the season knowing QB play was going to be a huge issue and it was (is). They could/should have won today and against San Diego State but they could/should have easily lost to Buffalo, EMU, WMU, and Nebraska.

Childers' last two games should put to bed any notion there shouldn't be an open QB competiton in the offseason. I hope they're in the market for JUCOs/Grad Transfers to add to Childers and Hall.

Hopefully they don't get over placed in a bowl game (plz don't make them play FAU) and they show well.

Carey isn't getting fired and if you think he should you're an idiot. With that being said, I would be fine if they took a look at changing offensive coordinators. I have been unimpressed with Coach U.

You might be right re coach U. If he is calling most of the plays and if he was a big part of nailing Santa to the bench in favor of Childers he needs to go.

(11-24-2017 04:14 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:13 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I'm with 7 on the OC change but Carey won't fire anyone he knows well like coach u. So many of the play calls this season have been head scratchers. Especially all the plays to the short side of the field or the short yardage they try the QB keeper when the RB has been gain he 1-2 Yards the whole game. That type of stuff 100% on the coaches.

I really think in hindsight making Cole the scapegoat for how 2015 ended was probably Carey's worst move as head coach.

Could have been Carey/could have been SF said some changes needed to be done. We will never know, but I think after that season something had to change.