$2.1mm/team/year

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

I'd go independent if I were you.

(11-14-2017 03:12 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

I'd go independent if I were you.

Yep - with that fan base for football and basketball they are the next Notre Dame

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

What was/is USF pulling in the eyeballs department to help things along? I mean as awesome and huge as the USF brand is shouldn't it help bring in SEC/B10 type money for the conference? All by themselves? I mean their brand is akin to making them the Notre Dame of the directionals, no?

(11-14-2017 02:40 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

He also gave you the dissolution of the Big East, after the Tulane addition. This followed promises of a large TV contract.

He also didn't give us 10:30 PM Eastern start times...

For sure. They suck. But is that good enough for you? I may be so.

(11-14-2017 11:13 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Does he have 20" blades on his Impala?

Lil Troy!

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

Landed Georgetown.

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

The whole point of advertising the league is to drum up interest and change the narrative. He has to do it or this league falls rather badly.

You get what you pay for. Coming from a top mid-major conference and seeing the stark difference in attitude and activity between the two conference commissioners, I'd say the American has a good one. He can't force anybody to pay $10M per team. The best he can do is position the conference in the most favorable light which I think he is doing. It's all about branding and he is currently attempting to rebrand the conference with some success.


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(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

I don't know what other commissioners, above or below us, make, but I can tell you from 20+ years of business consulting to Fortune 100 companies that Aresco has generated way more than his worth in good PR for the league.

How that translates to the bottom line for our next contract is anybody's guess, but it can't hurt. Of course, as you acknowledged, there are factors beyond our control, as well.

In the meantime, that dude is on radio and TV all over the country, talking us up, and getting people to listen.

We have gone from a brand new league with no real history in football, and a funny name, to a football conference that each week, gets more respect form many in the media who write about us and call our games and vote for our teams in polls.

And a HUGE majority of our games are on national TV, on some ESPN channel, usually.

All that adds up to better recruiting and more success, and likely, a much better contract next time.

Overpaid? $1M total from 12 schools? Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Here's a news flash. I'm sure Bob Bowlsby makes a helluva lot more than Aresco. After that fuster cluck of a Big 12 expansion effort last year, I don't see how anybody can say Aresco is overpaid.

Just look at the classy way Aresco handled the potential short end of the stick, as opposed to that nut case Bowlsby, and his year long circus.

(11-14-2017 05:41 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The whole point of advertising the league is to drum up interest and change the narrative. He has to do it or this league falls rather badly.

Yes. He is changing the narrative. Perception becomes reality.

(11-14-2017 07:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

I don't know what other commissioners, above or below us, make, but I can tell you from 20+ years of business consulting to Fortune 100 companies that Aresco has generated way more than his worth in good PR for the league.

How that translates to the bottom line for our next contract is anybody's guess, but it can't hurt. Of course, as you acknowledged, there are factors beyond our control, as well.

In the meantime, that dude is on radio and TV all over the country, talking us up, and getting people to listen.

We have gone from a brand new league with no real history in football, and a funny name, to a football conference that each week, gets more respect form many in the media who write about us and call our games and vote for our teams in polls.

And a HUGE majority of our games are on national TV, on some ESPN channel, usually.

All that adds up to better recruiting and more success, and likely, a much better contract next time.

Overpaid? $1M total from 12 schools? Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Here's a news flash. I'm sure Bob Bowlsby makes a helluva lot more than Aresco. After that fuster cluck of a Big 12 expansion effort last year, I don't see how anybody can say Aresco is overpaid.

Just look at the classy way Aresco handled the potential short end of the stick, as opposed to that nut case Bowlsby, and his year long circus.

You mean you don't think his pay should be axed to somewhere between $333K to $500K? For shame...

@ Quo.

Aresco obtained better exposure for the AAC than any other non-$$$ conference. Other non-$$$ schools are almost never on TV.
He was instrumental in getting the NY6 game for the non-$$$ conferences.

He performed very well for the cards he was handed.

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

Pay 500k and you get Banowsky. Ask USM fans about him. Quo, this conference could get a whole lot worse than what it is.

(11-14-2017 07:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

I don't know what other commissioners, above or below us, make, but I can tell you from 20+ years of business consulting to Fortune 100 companies that Aresco has generated way more than his worth in good PR for the league.

How that translates to the bottom line for our next contract is anybody's guess, but it can't hurt. Of course, as you acknowledged, there are factors beyond our control, as well.

In the meantime, that dude is on radio and TV all over the country, talking us up, and getting people to listen.

We have gone from a brand new league with no real history in football, and a funny name, to a football conference that each week, gets more respect form many in the media who write about us and call our games and vote for our teams in polls.

And a HUGE majority of our games are on national TV, on some ESPN channel, usually.

All that adds up to better recruiting and more success, and likely, a much better contract next time.

Overpaid? $1M total from 12 schools? Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Here's a news flash. I'm sure Bob Bowlsby makes a helluva lot more than Aresco. After that fuster cluck of a Big 12 expansion effort last year, I don't see how anybody can say Aresco is overpaid.

Just look at the classy way Aresco handled the potential short end of the stick, as opposed to that nut case Bowlsby, and his year long circus.

FWIW, Aresco made $1.6 million a year from 2013-2016, and last year we re-signed him. I don't know what the new amount is, but do you think it went down or up? I bet up.

Bowlsby, FWIW, makes $2.4 million, but his schools make $35m a year in Big 12 money.

We make $2.1 million a year.

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

If you say so

Maybe we can get the power wheel riding commissioner for a discount? I hear she has done a wonderful job thus far.

Same diatribe, different thread