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RE: Aresco is a baller
(12-18-2017 01:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (12-17-2017 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-17-2017 11:13 AM)First Mate Wrote: (12-17-2017 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-15-2017 11:29 AM)First Mate Wrote: He will help us w the tv contract bc of his history with TV.
He was supposed to do that 5 years ago, it's the main reason we hired him at such a high salary, and yet the contract he signed really couldn't have had less money. You or I could have bargained for it.
Point is, the maximum amount of TV money is really out of the commissioner's control. It's determined by market forces. A lousy commissioner can sign for way less than what a conference could command, but a good commissioner can't get you more than what the market will command. There's a pretty hard ceiling there.
If we do sign for a lot more $$$ in a couple years, it won't be because of genius Aresco negotiating, it will be because our schools have raised their market value by playing good football and drawing fan interest to the product.
The point of saying that is I’d rather have someone like Aresco with his experience in TV working on a new deal rather than someone with no background at all in TV. I personally think Aresco has been great for the AAC.
He was shrewd in getting us top notch (P5) exposure in the last deal even though we didn’t get the money.
There's no shrewdness in offering more product for less money. That's a win for the buyer not the seller. A buyer always wants more prodcut for less, not the seller. The way that went down was:
Aresco to NBC: We offer you 10 games for X amount of dollars.
NBC to Arescon: No, we'll give you X amount of dollars, but for 20 games.
Aresco: Er, how about 15 games for X amount of dollars?
NBC: No.
Aresco: Um, er, eh, OK.
And yet to some geniuses around here, that exchange was genius Aresco trading "money for exposure".
lol. Well...your sorta right. That conversation was really with ESPN. ESPN said we want it all---we will give you a few ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU slots, but most of your programming will be on ESPN3 because we want to make that platform more visible. We will give you a small premium for moving to ESPN3.
Aresco said--"No. We are a new league that needs to reach the largest audience possible. I think we need to see if NBC can give us better exposure."
The only reason we have the exposure we have is because he got it from NBC. Otherwise, we are the MAC with a few more ESPN2/ESPNU slots and a bigger paycheck.
No, the conversation with ESPN was Aresco asking for $300m a year or something during the exclusive bargaining period and ESPN not even looking at it. It was obvious that Aresco thought he could get a much better deal by going to the open market rather than signing with ESPN during the exclusive period so he purposefully asked for the moon so as just to kill off the exclusive negotiating period and go to market.
Of course, that backfired when it turned out that the "open market" valued us at virtually nothing, the only offer Aresco got was NBC's "give us all your games for peanuts" offer, and Aresco had no choice but to take it. ESPN was then happy to swoop in and take the same deal, a deal worth way less than what they had been willing to offer us. Thanks NBC!
That was our TV genius, Aresco, during late 2012 and early 2013.
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(12-18-2017 03:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-18-2017 12:33 PM)otown Wrote: (12-18-2017 11:59 AM)Bull Wrote: (12-18-2017 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-17-2017 06:58 PM)otown Wrote: Only tools can't admit that they are wrong...... so they create narratives where they have a backup excuse.
Exactly. The best example of that on this forum has been the "Aresco traded money for exposure" crock used to rationalize the miserably peanuts TV deal he signed five years ago.
Dude this level of nonsensical debate isn't even worth responding to anymore... We are winning on the field, we are winning in the ratings (which is where the exposure DOES matter...). TV contract is heading to negotiations. Very exciting time. Why harp on what you feel the old contract was, or was not? Answer, because our success is obviously killing you... Every time we win big somewhere/somehow it spins you up for awhile... it's comical.
If it makes you feel better to troll the AAC than have fun with it... keep on using vague terms like 'crock', 'miserable', and 'peanuts' and stay away from a logical fact based discussion... You are almost at the level of playground insults...
This same clown is on the realignment board suggesting the AAC should look into a G5 playoff as it may offer more money. Lets all let that sink in. The biggest fraud fan of USF, who takes every opportunity to claim the AAC is worth peanuts, wants the AAC to look into teaming up with conferences that have a fraction of the viewership of the AAC because there may be more money in that venture. The guy is a total tool, a troll from the swamps of LSU. When there is another contract signed, and the media money is increased, I would love for Aresco to get a raise just so this pathological corndog loses sleep over the Aresco contract even more.
Only true trolls try to bring in discussions on board X on to board Y, but be that as it may: It does make perfect sense for the AAC and other G5 to look in to having their own playoff to see if it will bring in more money. Personally, I doubt it would, but there's no harm in investigating it, as all conferences should seek out ways to make more money, that's just common sense, yet you think that's some kind of radical idea.
Just goes to show how off the rocker you've fallen.
unfortunately your diatribes usually come with condescension and talk of absolutes with regards to how little our conference is worth. with that being said, i find it laughable that you suddenly think there is a chance there is more money in that proposal. you simply do not, but love trying to lump the AAC with the other conferences that have much less exposure and money. continue your agenda, tools gotta tool.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2017 04:37 PM by otown.)
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12-18-2017 04:36 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(12-18-2017 03:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-18-2017 01:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (12-17-2017 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-17-2017 11:13 AM)First Mate Wrote: (12-17-2017 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote: He was supposed to do that 5 years ago, it's the main reason we hired him at such a high salary, and yet the contract he signed really couldn't have had less money. You or I could have bargained for it.
Point is, the maximum amount of TV money is really out of the commissioner's control. It's determined by market forces. A lousy commissioner can sign for way less than what a conference could command, but a good commissioner can't get you more than what the market will command. There's a pretty hard ceiling there.
If we do sign for a lot more $$$ in a couple years, it won't be because of genius Aresco negotiating, it will be because our schools have raised their market value by playing good football and drawing fan interest to the product.
The point of saying that is I’d rather have someone like Aresco with his experience in TV working on a new deal rather than someone with no background at all in TV. I personally think Aresco has been great for the AAC.
He was shrewd in getting us top notch (P5) exposure in the last deal even though we didn’t get the money.
There's no shrewdness in offering more product for less money. That's a win for the buyer not the seller. A buyer always wants more prodcut for less, not the seller. The way that went down was:
Aresco to NBC: We offer you 10 games for X amount of dollars.
NBC to Arescon: No, we'll give you X amount of dollars, but for 20 games.
Aresco: Er, how about 15 games for X amount of dollars?
NBC: No.
Aresco: Um, er, eh, OK.
And yet to some geniuses around here, that exchange was genius Aresco trading "money for exposure".
lol. Well...your sorta right. That conversation was really with ESPN. ESPN said we want it all---we will give you a few ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU slots, but most of your programming will be on ESPN3 because we want to make that platform more visible. We will give you a small premium for moving to ESPN3.
Aresco said--"No. We are a new league that needs to reach the largest audience possible. I think we need to see if NBC can give us better exposure."
The only reason we have the exposure we have is because he got it from NBC. Otherwise, we are the MAC with a few more ESPN2/ESPNU slots and a bigger paycheck.
No, the conversation with ESPN was Aresco asking for $300m a year or something during the exclusive bargaining period and ESPN not even looking at it. It was obvious that Aresco thought he could get a much better deal by going to the open market rather than signing with ESPN during the exclusive period so he purposefully asked for the moon so as just to kill off the exclusive negotiating period and go to market.
Of course, that backfired when it turned out that the "open market" valued us at virtually nothing, the only offer Aresco got was NBC's "give us all your games for peanuts" offer, and Aresco had no choice but to take it. ESPN was then happy to swoop in and take the same deal, a deal worth way less than what they had been willing to offer us. Thanks NBC!
That was our TV genius, Aresco, during late 2012 and early 2013.
wait, you were in the room?? i would love to see your link to the $300 million offer ESPN had on the table. wow, i knew you had delusions of grandiosity, but damn......
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(12-18-2017 04:36 PM)otown Wrote: (12-18-2017 03:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (12-18-2017 12:33 PM)otown Wrote: (12-18-2017 11:59 AM)Bull Wrote: (12-18-2017 09:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Exactly. The best example of that on this forum has been the "Aresco traded money for exposure" crock used to rationalize the miserably peanuts TV deal he signed five years ago.
Dude this level of nonsensical debate isn't even worth responding to anymore... We are winning on the field, we are winning in the ratings (which is where the exposure DOES matter...). TV contract is heading to negotiations. Very exciting time. Why harp on what you feel the old contract was, or was not? Answer, because our success is obviously killing you... Every time we win big somewhere/somehow it spins you up for awhile... it's comical.
If it makes you feel better to troll the AAC than have fun with it... keep on using vague terms like 'crock', 'miserable', and 'peanuts' and stay away from a logical fact based discussion... You are almost at the level of playground insults...
This same clown is on the realignment board suggesting the AAC should look into a G5 playoff as it may offer more money. Lets all let that sink in. The biggest fraud fan of USF, who takes every opportunity to claim the AAC is worth peanuts, wants the AAC to look into teaming up with conferences that have a fraction of the viewership of the AAC because there may be more money in that venture. The guy is a total tool, a troll from the swamps of LSU. When there is another contract signed, and the media money is increased, I would love for Aresco to get a raise just so this pathological corndog loses sleep over the Aresco contract even more.
Only true trolls try to bring in discussions on board X on to board Y, but be that as it may: It does make perfect sense for the AAC and other G5 to look in to having their own playoff to see if it will bring in more money. Personally, I doubt it would, but there's no harm in investigating it, as all conferences should seek out ways to make more money, that's just common sense, yet you think that's some kind of radical idea.
Just goes to show how off the rocker you've fallen.
unfortunately your diatribes usually come with condescension and talk of absolutes with regards to how little our conference is worth. with that being said, i find it laughable that you suddenly think there is a chance there is more money in that proposal. you simply do not, but love trying to lump the AAC with the other conferences that have much less exposure and money. continue your agenda, tools gotta tool.
Quo is almost making this place unvisitable.
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12-18-2017 11:47 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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01-08-2018 02:58 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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Slidin' right in there, huh?
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01-08-2018 03:07 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 03:07 PM)H-Town Wrote: (01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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Slidin' right in there, huh?
Would've gone better if he put the 'helmet' on correctly.
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01-08-2018 03:08 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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Your proof?
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01-08-2018 03:34 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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You are already in. Lol
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01-08-2018 03:36 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 03:34 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: (01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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Your proof?
He stole the Shockers from the MVC instantly legitimizing and energizing the AAC on the national stage.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/
#P7
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01-08-2018 03:48 PM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
Baller.
Out!
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-08-2018 03:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: (01-08-2018 03:34 PM)wavefan12 Wrote: (01-08-2018 02:58 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: Way too much trash talking Aresco on here lately... what if he has an assistant read this board? We're lucky to have him. He is a strategical genius.
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Your proof?
He stole the Shockers from the MVC instantly legitimizing and energizing the AAC on the national stage.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/
#P7
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I think Aresco is a good leader. I'm just dying to know what was said that calmed down his ammo. If you would have told me ucf would be claiming a national championship in football and Aresco was silent, I wouldn't have believed you. Hopefully this means there is something in the works to get the AAC more access. We would agree to toss the G4 to the curve to get onboard.
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01-14-2018 09:59 AM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
I think you could bring in a guy in a suit from central casting to play Aresco and the results would be pretty much the same for a lot less $$.
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01-14-2018 10:32 AM |
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RE: Aresco is a baller
(01-14-2018 10:32 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: I think you could bring in a guy in a suit from central casting to play Aresco and the results would be pretty much the same for a lot less $$.
That may or mat not be true, and we won't know it until the next TV deal gets done.
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