(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Quote:My UCF vote at #10 has as much to do with @American_Conf being worthy of becoming a part of the Power 6 as anything. They are WORTHY IMO.
— Tim Brando (@TimBrando) November 6, 2017

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Quote:My UCF vote at #10 has as much to do with @American_Conf being worthy of becoming a part of the Power 6 as anything. They are WORTHY IMO.
— Tim Brando (@TimBrando) November 6, 2017

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want....... but how many times have people talked about the P6 being a marketing campaign? It's all about perception to the public and media. Everyone here would rather call it hilarious and create threads laughing. It's all about the big picture. It's a very slow work in progress....... you nibble long enough at the same spot and you eventually open a wound. That is what is going on here. This is not for today or tomorrow. It's for 7 years from now. It may or may or may not succeed in becoming an actual autonomous conference....... but I am conifident that the AAC will not be in worse shoes than they are now and will possibly sitting in a much better position. First domino to fall will be a bumped up media contract.

(11-06-2017 11:05 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:22 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

Why do you even care.

I'd ask the same of the dozen or so AAC crusaders hanging out on the CUSA boards.

It's Memphis to the Big East all over again, TigerCane told me the P6 announcement would be Tuesday, so you guys should probably hold your breath...

He's an Angry elf.

I read this board to follow Southen Miss, a school that should be with us and I rarely post. I guess if was an mtsu fan I would be angry too. I still pull for the blue raiders although I wonder if your colors shouldn't be green.
What's your alias on mt.org btw?

I asked him why was he mad too! So he told me to have at it. Lol! Then his big brother told me enough in a stern typed way.

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Have at it.

(11-07-2017 06:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Quote:My UCF vote at #10 has as much to do with @American_Conf being worthy of becoming a part of the Power 6 as anything. They are WORTHY IMO.
— Tim Brando (@TimBrando) November 6, 2017

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want.......

Why is the first response "you're mad"?

What about that response reads as "mad"?

All you AAC trolls over here keep telling us we're mad when we're just laughing at your helmet stickers and alternative reality.

P6...G4... it's all fake news guys.

(11-07-2017 09:57 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Quote:My UCF vote at #10 has as much to do with @American_Conf being worthy of becoming a part of the Power 6 as anything. They are WORTHY IMO.
— Tim Brando (@TimBrando) November 6, 2017

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want.......

Why is the first response "you're mad"?

What about that response reads as "mad"?

All you AAC trolls over here keep telling us we're mad when we're just laughing at your helmet stickers and alternative reality.

P6...G4... it's all fake news guys.

Shall I say "disgruntled"? Its not AAC posters who create these threads in the CUSA forum. Hell, I don't even see these threads in the ACC and MAC forums on this site, nor do I see them on SEC boards that I frequent or on the MWC platform. For some reason, this just irks CUSA fanboys. Maybe its the jilted girlfriend syndrome, although we only have history with a small handful of left behinds.

(11-07-2017 10:01 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:57 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 06:23 AM)otown Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:56 PM)TxTiger79 Wrote:  

Three ranked teams and one decent win between them. They might be good teams but none have done a thing to deserve a top ten ranking.

Here is the thing......you can get mad about it all you want.......

Why is the first response "you're mad"?

What about that response reads as "mad"?

All you AAC trolls over here keep telling us we're mad when we're just laughing at your helmet stickers and alternative reality.

P6...G4... it's all fake news guys.

Shall I say "disgruntled"? Its not AAC posters who create these threads in the CUSA forum. Hell, I don't even see these threads in the ACC and MAC forums on this site, nor do I see them on SEC boards that I frequent or on the MWC platform. For some reason, this just irks CUSA fanboys. Maybe its the jilted girlfriend syndrome, although we only have history with a small handful of left behinds.

The very first post ends with

We aren't angry, we aren't disgruntled, we aren't jilted, we're literally laughing at your hilarious attempts to change reality with helmet stickers and commercials.

It's ******* funny man.

Again, by every important metric, the AAC is closer to the 10th best conference than the 5th best conference, but your helmet stickers, commercials and a tweet from Tim Brando are gonna change that right?

I laugh or roll my eyes at every use of the terms P6 or G4, you guys are the second most delusional group in the country right now, I'll give you that Aresco is far more competent in his role than the guy the most delusional people in America are following right now, Aresco's hands are bigger too.

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M od $80M?

LOL

Also, $80M average? Where are you even getting that? $80M is low for a P5 budget.

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

I call bull**** on your P5 average budget number. I calculated about 105 million.

(11-07-2017 10:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

I call bull**** on your P5 average budget number. I calculated about 105 million.

Yeah, don't know where that's coming from, $80M is about bottom of the barrel for P5.

So with apologies to our fellow G5 brethren, your endowments are closer to P5 than the Sun Belt.

Attendance and budgets are far closer to Sun Belt than P5.

(11-07-2017 10:52 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

I call bull**** on your P5 average budget number. I calculated about 105 million.

Yeah, don't know where that's coming from, $80M is about bottom of the barrel for P5.

Do you miss the days where all you had to put up with was me stepping over the line?


These guys are truly delusional or very young and haven’t witnessed that the trend IN THE FREAKING WORLD is not more inclusivity by the big boys to lift up the little guys. And they are little guys no matter how many times they shout otherwise.

I’m not just talking football. It’s the world. But they think a cute sticker and a commercial is gonna make the P5 say “You know what, let’s give them some of our money”. I know it’s an overused phrase nowadays but you can’t even make up stuff like this.

I’m not knocking them for trying. I’m not even gonna knock them for being delusional. There’s plenty of delusional people out there. I used to work with some of them. I’d let them get there stuff in, let them walk off, then look at one of my buddies and just shake my head. It’s why I almost never comment in these threads.

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

Hate to burst the AAC bubble, but when this big shakeup happens (and it will), most likely there will be 4 sixteen team conferences. No one will be added.

For example:
ACC adds WVU and Iowa State
SEC adds Texas Tech and Texas
B1G adds KSU and Kansas
PAC 12 adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor.

Notre Dame remains Indy. All current P5s are accommodated. Done deal.

(11-07-2017 11:02 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Hate to burst the AAC bubble, but when this big shakeup happens (and it will), most likely there will be 4 sixteen team conferences. No one will be added.

For example:
ACC adds WVU and Iowa State
SEC adds Texas Tech and Texas
B1G adds KSU and Kansas
PAC 12 adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor.

Notre Dame remains Indy. All current P5s are accommodated. Done deal.

you are aware that the pac 12 desperately didnt want baylor before the rape scandal..so much so they added Colorado to try and avoid Baylor by the forceful hand of texas (and the texas legislator) when they were trying to add 4 big 12, 7 years ago..but now they'll take baylor, rapeu, horrible in football and all

why would the SEC take 2 more texas?

the acc already passed on wvu numerous times and said it had no interest

KSU isnt aau

you are aware where the state of iowa is located in comparison to the rest of the ACC

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

No, the gap isn't the same.

You underestimated the P5 average and we're going off the bottom G5.

You are closer to the bottom G5 than you are to *any* P5 and the gap grows even larger when we aren't comparing you strictly to the Sun Belt, but to the rest of your G5 brethren.

Going off, presumably the aame USA today report, I count 7 P5s with revenue and expenses under UCONN.

I also count five with more than double the revenue and two with more than double the expenses. The top 3 SEC programs generate more revenue than the entire AAC.

You're also using some pretty goofy logic.

Yes, the P5 gets a $25M head start, if you guys got that kind of coin it would close the gap some and if I had wheels I'd be a wagon.

And you say "IF our next tv deal is big we'd probably close that gap", first, no you won't because even if you see a bump in TV money, it won't be that big, and that also assumes the P5 money stays static.

If you guys see a bump, the P5 will see a bigger bump. The gap will only grow larger friend.

It may feel like you're getting closer to P5 as you put a little distance between you and the rest of the G5, but we're all moving further away from the P5, you're just moving further away at a slightly slower rate.

The line has been drawn and despite what your helmet stickers say, you guys are on the wrong side of that line.

(11-07-2017 11:15 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 11:02 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Hate to burst the AAC bubble, but when this big shakeup happens (and it will), most likely there will be 4 sixteen team conferences. No one will be added.

For example:
ACC adds WVU and Iowa State
SEC adds Texas Tech and Texas
B1G adds KSU and Kansas
PAC 12 adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor.

Notre Dame remains Indy. All current P5s are accommodated. Done deal.

you are aware that the pac 12 desperately didnt want baylor before the rape scandal..so much so they added Colorado to try and avoid Baylor by the forceful hand of texas (and the texas legislator) when they were trying to add 4 big 12, 7 years ago..but now they'll take baylor, rapeu, horrible in football and all

why would the SEC take 2 more texas?

the acc already passed on wvu numerous times and said it had no interest

KSU isnt aau

you are aware where the state of iowa is located in comparison to the rest of the ACC

He may have the moving pieces incorrect, you make far more valid points here than you do in defense of the AAC, but even if he has all the moving parts wrong, a P4 by way of culling the Big XII is exponentially more likely than the AAC being invited to the party.

Texas can do whatever they want, they can go independent, or any of the other four would gladly take them. Oklahoma would find a home, Ok State likely would as well. Baylor is too toxic, TCU has only been P5 for a short while, the rest might find power conference homes based purely on numbers, but there will finally be bigger losers than UCONN in the great shakeup as there would be some Big XII teams left out.

(11-07-2017 11:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The AAC is closer to the Sun Belt than any P5 in average budget, attendance, endowment etc etc etc.

That isn't debatable.

Again, it's P5/G5, that isn't changing.

uconn has a 70mil budget, aac average is about 50 mil (lowest is 44),
the average sunbelt is 24mil (reaching as low as 11),
the average p5 is about 80 (and they are carried by a power or 2 over a 100mi, plenty before 6 mil)

the literally only difference in budget between the p5 and the AAC is tv revenue, uconn would be a 90+ mil with a p5 tv deal

our endowments are way closer to the p5 than sunbelt, its not even close.. half the aac is over a billion or close ..their is only one respectable endowment in the sunbelt and thats south alabama at around 500, the rest average around under a 100mil

you just made up a ton of false facts

attendance is the only fair point youve made, but the AAC is the only active conference in ALL the fbs who is having a positive trend in attendance

Wait, I'm sorry, is $50M closer to $24M or $80M?

i was using a rough estimation, my point was that the gap was just as big between the AAC and Sunbelt and the depth of the league, where our worst was 44mil, their worst is 11 mil, and there are p5 with 56mil...and every p5 hs a 25mil+ head start..that if our next tv deal is big, we'd probably close that gap

and im using the ncaa finances resource on usatoday (also i relieazed i ight have been using an older year, so the number are a bit more bigger in the newer version, but the gap sizes remain about the same )

Lowest P5 USA Today budget is KS ST at nearly 71 million. Then (other than AAC outlier UCONN) there's a $12 million dollar drop to UCF at $59 million

Try again.