geosnooker2000
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The AP should be ashamed of themselves
They are actually showing FOUR 2-loss teams ahead of UCF with zero losses.
What a load of crap.
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11-05-2017 02:55 PM |
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fresnofanatic
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
3 words...strength of schedule
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11-05-2017 02:58 PM |
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TripleA
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 02:58 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote: 3 words...strength of schedule
3 words...P5 bias
3 more words...not your board
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11-05-2017 02:59 PM |
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HuskyU
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 02:58 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote: 3 words...strength of schedule
Tell me more about this SOS thing...
Specifically the current #1 in the MWC-West Division almost losing to BYU last night...
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The Knight Time
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 02:58 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote: 3 words...strength of schedule
Yea you’re right. After all, OSU did lose by 31 points but it was to a highly ranked team!
Oh wait- not true? They lost by 31 to an unranked team?
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UofMstateU
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
Remind of how SOS works again after reviewing Wisconsins schedule.
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jaredf29
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 02:55 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: They are actually showing FOUR 2-loss teams ahead of UCF with zero losses.
What a load of crap.
No worries. I’m happy that us, Memphis, and even that other team to the west are ranked. It’s all we can ask.
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11-05-2017 03:30 PM |
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otown
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 02:58 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote: 3 words...strength of schedule
Strength of schedule only matters if the initial rankings are done in a vacuum. Unfortunately they are not. That is why you have the UF's (pains me to say), the NDs, FSUs, etc ranking no matter how crappy their previous year was or how their roster actually looks.
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HuskyU
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 03:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (11-05-2017 02:55 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: They are actually showing FOUR 2-loss teams ahead of UCF with zero losses.
What a load of crap.
No worries. I’m happy that us, Memphis, and even that other team to the west are ranked. It’s all we can ask.
Really though...
When did Tampa become South Florida? UWF is much more appropriate.
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11-05-2017 03:35 PM |
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quo vadis
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 03:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: Remind of how SOS works again after reviewing Wisconsins schedule.
Sagarin has Wisconsin's schedule at 68, UCF's is 92, a big difference.
Every other team in the Sagarin top 25 has a schedule at least 25 positions better than UCF's. Truth is, UCF has played a very soft schedule so far.
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11-05-2017 03:48 PM |
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msm96wolf
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
Hint - AP and Coaches don't matter any more for TV, CFP is the only poll used from this point on. They served their purpose for Sept and Oct, there back to being meaningless.
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2017 03:57 PM by msm96wolf.)
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11-05-2017 03:56 PM |
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TripleA
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
Quo, seriously, think about what you are doing.
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11-05-2017 03:57 PM |
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TripleA
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 03:56 PM)msm96wolf Wrote: Hint - AP and Coaches don't matter any more for TV, CFP is the only poll used from this point on. They served their purpose for Sept and Oct, there back to being meaningless.
Agree, but it's all we have to debate until Tuesday night.
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HuskyU
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 03:57 PM)TripleA Wrote: Quo, seriously, think about what you are doing.
I do love to watch a good train-wreck...
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11-05-2017 03:58 PM |
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UofToledoFans
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
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HuskyU
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 04:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Team 1 (8-1)
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Yet another attempt at a self-serving, agenda-driven Toledo post. Can't make this s*** up. Mom just said you need to shut-down the computer and finish up your multiplication problems for tomorrow.
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UofToledoFans
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 04:05 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (11-05-2017 04:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: Team 1 (8-1)
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Yet another attempt at a self-serving, agenda-driven Toledo post. Can't make this s*** up. Mom just said you need to shut-down the computer and finish up your multiplication problems for tomorrow.
So what? There's no reason one of these teams should be in the top 25 in any poll right now.
UCF and Memphis are both very good and very deserving of their ranking, and honestly UCF is underrated.
But come on...smell the roses. If Toledo is garbage than so is team 2.
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2017 04:09 PM by UofToledoFans.)
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sfink16
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
Take a look at the Massey poll below and review the last field to the right hand side, standard deviation. Compare the P5 versus the rest. Notice that the G5 are often considerably higher than the P5. There is a reason for that and clearly display in poll bias. Standard deviation proves how wild these polls are, with no rhyme or reason for the rankings, often much larger for G5 schools.
How else could you explain how Memphis, for example, has a high of 8 in one poll and a low of 52 in another, while the team listed below them, Stanford, has a high of 16 and a low of 34? BTW, that same poll that has Memphis at 52 has PSU #1 and VT #6. Explain that one. Look at Navy where one poll has them at 13 and another has them at 82. I'm not calling Navy the 13th best team in the country but how can they be 82nd? Than again, one poll has UCF #1 and the same poll has Alabama at #6, so maybe that poll is legit, LOL!
Can the polls that Massey uses really be taken seriously?
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2017 04:23 PM by sfink16.)
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11-05-2017 04:13 PM |
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TripleA
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
Hey Toledo.
Toledo 54, Tulsa 51, in Toledo.
Memphis 42, Tulsa 14, in Tulsa.
"Results against common opponents" is one of the CFP criteria.
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11-05-2017 04:19 PM |
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UofToledoFans
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RE: The AP should be ashamed of themselves
(11-05-2017 04:19 PM)TripleA Wrote: Hey Toledo.
Toledo 54, Tulsa 51, in Toledo.
Memphis 42, Tulsa 14, in Tulsa.
"Results against common opponents" is one of the CFP criteria.
Hey Memphis, you're good.
Tulsa 45, Houston 17
Houston 28, USF 24
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