(10-30-2017 10:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I've never seen a guy lose it like this before. Seriously.

It's a Rutgers guy. He's well-schooled in every way to lose there is.

(10-30-2017 10:11 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  I've never seen a guy lose it like this before. Seriously.

Imagine having to deal with these Rutgers and C7 fans for decades. I hope you now have a better understanding and appreciation for UCONN nation.

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

In the MVC, all they had to do was dominate a one-bid league and win the tournament. Ask Memphis about their days in CUSA 2.0 or so.

The level of competition in the AAC means that they have the resume to compete for an at-large bid instead of having to rely on winning the conference tourney every year.

Listen to what the next guy says.

(10-30-2017 06:42 PM)AndShock Wrote:  The move to the AAC is not only about athletics. Our AD will tell you the move was not “to get into a better basketball conference” (even though I think that’s a lie.) President Bardo wants this to be about branding Wichita State as a University and increasing enrollment/funding/status/research/etc through that new branding and having our peers as public universities in Memphis, Orlando, and Houston rather than public universities in Carbondale, Cedar Falls, and Terre Haute.

What he says. BCS conference fans (If you guys want to say "P6 P6 P6", I'm gonna keep the BCS tag alive) may dog you as G5 schools, but FBS schools in top 30-50 metros are a better "neighborhood" to be in, as a school, than the Missouri VAlley.

(10-30-2017 07:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  How much are the Kochs laundering through your "school"?

You'd think a guy from Sopranos country would know this, but to "launder" money means you move a lot of money in--and move a lot of money out. I believe the Koch Brothers are donating a lot of money to WSU. They donate a lot of money to a lot of things--concert halls, United Negro College Fund, Republican politics.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/a...to-society

You only need to "launder" money if the source of the money is questionable. And most of the Koch Brothers' money starts with oil, so no real need to launder it.

(Maybe part of the problem with Rutgers athletics is they don't understand the importance of rich guys with big egos. )

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

I was responding to a poster who said WSU was 'betting on themselves', i.e., THEIR ability to earn credits.

Bottom line is they are apparently paying us an entry fee worth more than what they are likely to receive from us for many years.

And btw, UConn hasn't been earning a lot of credits lately.

(10-30-2017 06:42 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

The move to the AAC is not only about athletics. Our AD will tell you the move was not “to get into a better basketball conference” (even though I think that’s a lie.) President Bardo wants this to be about branding Wichita State as a University and increasing enrollment/funding/status/research/etc through that new branding and having our peers as public universities in Memphis, Orlando, and Houston rather than public universities in Carbondale, Cedar Falls, and Terre Haute.

OK, I'll take the word of an actual WSU supporter for that.

Will say it's flattering to think that WSU thinks it will help your overall academic brand by associating with AAC schools. Thanks.

(10-31-2017 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

I was responding to a poster who said WSU was 'betting on themselves', i.e., THEIR ability to earn credits.

Bottom line is they are apparently paying us an entry fee worth more than what they are likely to receive from us for many years.

And btw, UConn hasn't been earning a lot of credits lately.

SMU doesn’t get a lot of money from the AAC. What we do get is access to East Coast students who rely less on financial assistance than Texas or West Coast kids. This has been very beneficial to us.

Looks like WSU is using basketball as a temporary loss leader to higher quality students and faculty.

(10-31-2017 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

I was responding to a poster who said WSU was 'betting on themselves', i.e., THEIR ability to earn credits.

Bottom line is they are apparently paying us an entry fee worth more than what they are likely to receive from us for many years.

And btw, UConn hasn't been earning a lot of credits lately.

You're right. Only 8 in the last 4 years...

BTW, a fan of USF/Georgetown looks pretty foolish throwing tourney credit shade.

LOL.

RutQuoHood gonna RutQuoHood.

(10-31-2017 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Will say it's flattering to think that WSU thinks it will help your overall academic brand by associating with AAC schools. Thanks.

Well, Wichita State doesn't really work as a "fallback option" for Valparaiso, Evansville, Loyola-Chicago, Bradley, Drake type students. Not much interchangeability there. Meanwhile, a lot of interchangeability, but not a lot of benefit, to grouping yourself with Illinois State, Indiana State, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Southern Illinois.

So tagging along with Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF and tapping into Texas and Florida rather than doubling down on Missouri-Indiana-Illinois makes sense on paper. (Note that UMass playing football in Foxborough made sense on paper.)

(10-31-2017 08:03 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

I was responding to a poster who said WSU was 'betting on themselves', i.e., THEIR ability to earn credits.

Bottom line is they are apparently paying us an entry fee worth more than what they are likely to receive from us for many years.

And btw, UConn hasn't been earning a lot of credits lately.

You're right. Only 8 in the last 4 years...

BTW, a fan of USF/Georgetown looks pretty foolish throwing tourney credit shade.

You don't need to remind me about Georgetown's and USF's struggles, I'm well aware, LOL.

I just replied by noting how Ollie-UConn appears to be going down the tubes.

That's not shade, just documentation.

This thread has attracted two fans of schools that ECU is arguable better in basketball in...

(10-31-2017 07:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

In the MVC, all they had to do was dominate a one-bid league and win the tournament. Ask Memphis about their days in CUSA 2.0 or so.

The level of competition in the AAC means that they have the resume to compete for an at-large bid instead of having to rely on winning the conference tourney every year.

While true, the thought is that WSU thinks they are good enough to compete for those. Even then, getting tourney credits from deeper tourney runs thanks to better seeding and having other teams helping out with tourney credits was i think why people are saying WSU has greater potential for tourney credits in the AAC.

MVC: WSU in but stuck as a 10 seed = 1 win = 2 credits

AAC: 3-4 teams in, WSU gets a 5 seed with similar record so and easier path to 2-3 wins? plus 2 or 3 wins from the other teams (potential for more)? could easily be 10+ credits

(10-31-2017 09:08 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  This thread has attracted two fans of schools that ECU is arguable better in basketball in...

Awesome.

(10-31-2017 07:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:37 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Your forgetting units for dancing. Wsu is betting on themselves.

They would get those units no matter what conference they are in. Didn't have a problem with that coming out of the MVC.

They are paying us an entrance fee worth more than what we will pay them in media fees for at least 10 year.

So you're saying that they would have had an equal or greater potential for credits in the MVC than they would in the AAC?

I was responding to a poster who said WSU was 'betting on themselves', i.e., THEIR ability to earn credits.

Bottom line is they are apparently paying us an entry fee worth more than what they are likely to receive from us for many years.

And btw, UConn hasn't been earning a lot of credits lately. :coffee3:

I dont think you understand how credits work, but its not surprising coming from a usf/georgetown/sdsu/rutgers fan.

The credit is good through a 6 year rolling period meaning each game is worth about 1.6-1.8 million. The money goes to the conference as a whole and then split up. So if we have 4 teams in and go 4-4 for one year it will work out as roughly as 1.1 million a team plus their 250,000 for about 1.4 million. A deep run for wichita st (which they believe they will make) say to a final four is worth 5 credits, sweet 16 run for another conference team in the same year is 3 more, two other teams getting in and one winning a game 3 more, for a total of 11 credits or 19.8 million to split. Add in their 250,000 for about 2 million. If the conference gets in 5 teams, two deep runs, and mild successs from the others is like 14 credits and wsu has their entry fee covered by one year of play paid out over six years. Conceivably two years could put them in the positive.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/...fbc8c632b0

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 04:42 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  In most spheres there would be investigations into misappropriation of funds of such magnitude.

How much are the Kochs laundering through your "school"?

$0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  How much are the Kochs laundering through your "school"?

$0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point that you have no idea what you're talking about?

I think we are all on the same page.

(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  How much are the Kochs laundering through your "school"?

$0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Quick question: when did having a guy worth $60B donate regularly to your school become a bad thing? He currently has like 700-800 Shocker graduates (these are old numbers) working for his company. You would think he would want the university on solid footing no?


T


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(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  How much are the Kochs laundering through your "school"?

$0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Yes i'm sure none of the other 10,000 fans who regularly attend have anything to do with support. While i am not a koch fan a billionaire donating isnt a bad thing. The big 10 donates to rutgers every year and you seem ok with it.

(10-31-2017 12:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  $0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Yes i'm sure none of the other 10,000 fans who regularly attend have anything to do with support. While i am not a koch fan a billionaire donating isnt a bad thing. The big 10 donates to rutgers every year and you seem ok with it.

(10-31-2017 12:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)AndShock Wrote:  $0

Next

Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Yes i'm sure none of the other 10,000 fans who regularly attend have anything to do with support. While i am not a koch fan a billionaire donating isnt a bad thing. The big 10 donates to rutgers every year and you seem ok with it.

Winner.

(10-31-2017 12:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 12:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 11:46 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:33 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Yup, thats how you're able to afford Marshall while making $0 in TV revenue. Yup, nothing to see here folks! C'mon a piss poor state and a school thats #3 in popularity can afford one of the highest paid coaches in CBB? Seems to me those Koch brothers are funneling a ton of dirty money into your "school".

Marshall’s salary is funded by private donations. Next.

From the Koch Brothers. Thanks for proving my point.

Yes i'm sure none of the other 10,000 fans who regularly attend have anything to do with support. While i am not a koch fan a billionaire donating isnt a bad thing. The big 10 donates to rutgers every year and you seem ok with it.

Winner.

ShockerFever and TU4ever agreeing?!?!?!