(10-23-2017 11:09 AM)ApexRedWolf Wrote:  Ah! GS coaching search season.
The time of the year when the rest of us read the list of coaching search names and go,....
"Never heard of him. <types name into google> Ok. Paul Johnson's nephew."
Next one, never heard of him. <types name into google> Ah. Ok. Paul Johnson's waterboy in the 90's.
Next, "Never heard of him <types name into google> Says under his wiki, he runs something called FlexWing Triple Option Spread at Western Southern Carolina in FCS."...and so on and so on.

LMAO! this is perfect

(10-23-2017 12:47 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:38 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:24 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . .

This is going to come out wrong, but no disrespect intended. Ga Southern and App State have a long history of winning programs in D1. When they hire a coach that can't compete they're not reaching the standard they have set and are committed to.

Texas State doesn't seem to have that history so you're going to have to be more patient and find a coach that can turn your program into a winner. Withers has his strengths for helping to build a program but not as a head coach. You guys need to just find a talented rising star and give him the 5-10 years it's going to take to turn things around. Otherwise you may have to compromise your integrity a little and opt for a downtrodden/disgraced P5 coach that's looking for a place to rebound (Strong, Pelini, etc).

Either way, you're not going to attract coaches to a place they may view as historically bad if you keep giving the yank after a couple of years.

So what you're saying we need to fire Withers after only 2 years and then hire a young unproven rising star and not fire him after 2 years if things stay bad even though we only gave Withers 2 years in this scenario?

No, what I'm saying is you shouldn't restrict any coach to just 2 years. In my opinion Withers can modernize a program that needs it, inject some life/energy, recruit, talk a good game. He had even identified some rising coaching talent to bring on staff while at JMU. You have to remember some of the places he's been and the level of coaches he's been able to glean things off of. He's not an idiot.

But he personally doesn't seem to be a great x's and o's coach, so I'm not sure how well he'll work out for you guys. But the bed is made. Maybe he does for you what he did for us and shakes up some things that need it, but it's your next hire that takes you to the next level. Do hope things work out for you though, Withers did more good than bad for our program. I harbor him no ill will.

(10-23-2017 05:10 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 12:47 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:38 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:24 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Admittedly, there's probably not a lot that I like about you guys (GS). . . .

But I will say, I love that your school does not suffer losing coaches gladly
While TXST suffers losing coaches ad nauseum

Wish we had an Athletic Department (AD) that put a higher premium on Winning.

Good luck with your HC search . . .

This is going to come out wrong, but no disrespect intended. Ga Southern and App State have a long history of winning programs in D1. When they hire a coach that can't compete they're not reaching the standard they have set and are committed to.

Texas State doesn't seem to have that history so you're going to have to be more patient and find a coach that can turn your program into a winner. Withers has his strengths for helping to build a program but not as a head coach. You guys need to just find a talented rising star and give him the 5-10 years it's going to take to turn things around. Otherwise you may have to compromise your integrity a little and opt for a downtrodden/disgraced P5 coach that's looking for a place to rebound (Strong, Pelini, etc).

Either way, you're not going to attract coaches to a place they may view as historically bad if you keep giving the yank after a couple of years.

So what you're saying we need to fire Withers after only 2 years and then hire a young unproven rising star and not fire him after 2 years if things stay bad even though we only gave Withers 2 years in this scenario?

No, what I'm saying is you shouldn't restrict any coach to just 2 years. In my opinion Withers can modernize a program that needs it, inject some life/energy, recruit, talk a good game. He had even identified some rising coaching talent to bring on staff while at JMU. You have to remember some of the places he's been and the level of coaches he's been able to glean things off of. He's not an idiot.

But he personally doesn't seem to be a great x's and o's coach, so I'm not sure how well he'll work out for you guys. But the bed is made. Maybe he does for you what he did for us and shakes up some things that need it, but it's your next hire that takes you to the next level. Do hope things work out for you though, Withers did more good than bad for our program. I harbor him no ill will.

. . . And FWIW, I'm not slamming Withers (per say) . . . My axe to grind is with a University Administration, and Athletic Department that condone a culture a losing. They either blatantly condone it . . . or are so apathetic to it, that inaction in the face of long standing losing is their long standing pattern of behavior. To give some perspective, TX ST has had 7 winning seasons in the 31 between 1985 and 2015. 2015 being Fran's last year, so I'm not even taking Withers into account . . yet.

I applaud GS for having a culture that doesn't tolerate this kind of performance.

(10-23-2017 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

The last coach y'all sent to the Sun Belt sucks big time.

Withers does suck. He inherited a loaded roster from Matthews and added Vad Lee....won the games he should and lost against anybody with a winning record. He claimed JMU had a HUGE rebuilding job and ran off a lot of players. Houston comes in and wins an NC without Lee.

He is a promoter/recruiter, not a coach. He claims the current roster sucks, and says the team is "young" forever. I imagine he has followed the same script at Texas State. Then add on the arrogance....

Rumors abound @ JMU that he had burned bridges behind the scenes and might not have been extended. I'd never seen an AD smile at a press conference to announce a coach being hired away until then.

When I was doing my preseason preview of AState opponents I had Texas State toward the middle of the pack then I read his comments about not liking the players on his team last year that came out of the blue. Went and dug through his time at JMU (and how JMU has done since) and rated TXST 11th (which would now be 10th since we lost the Miami game).

Guy might find some groove but smells like a terrible hire.

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

You will be looking for a HC come the end of the year.

(10-23-2017 11:01 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  We will see but not one new hire last year came from the FCS only two the year before. Ironically the year before JMU's highly successful coach got poached by a Sun Belt team and the only other FCS HC was also taken by a Sun Belt team.

People are enamored with the P5 label attached to any coach as most the hires go that way for the G5 and P5's take from the G5 HC ranks or high level P5 coord almost exclusively. I mean if he worked for Saban greatness just rubs off right?

Hammer meet nail

It is really hard to get from FCS to FBS as a head coach. AState has made 9 hires since returning to FBS and only one was an FCS head coach.

I don't get the reasoning but AD's will hire a sitting FBS head coach, a retread fired FBS coach, an OC, an NFL assistant, or a DC and never look at the FBS ranks.

If GSU is determined to demand a TO coach that cuts down the candidate field to coordinators at about 3-4 programs unless you go to the FCS ranks. Ivin Jasper seems likeis the perfect candidate. OC for Navy, spent time in Statesboro as QB coach under Johnson.

(10-24-2017 07:51 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  If GSU is determined to demand a TO coach that cuts down the candidate field to coordinators at about 3-4 programs unless you go to the FCS ranks. Ivin Jasper seems likeis the perfect candidate. OC for Navy, spent time in Statesboro as QB coach under Johnson.

The big hint our AD dropped during the press conference yesterday was that he was not only looking at TO coaches. That lead a lot of us to believe that Mike Houston was actually being seriously considered. If we did go after a TO coach I believe we would still go after an FCS HC before an FBS assistant. TK stressed the importance of having a staff put together before the December signing period and he commented that a positive of hiring a HC was that he could usually bring a staff with him and hit the ground running recruiting wise.

(10-23-2017 10:20 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.

The only way we dont get him likely is if we are out bid by ECU, Rice for firing their coach or CSU, ISU, USF or UCF lose their coaches to higher P5's. Most of those schools are not your typical FCS hiring schools either. Again they love that P5 smell.

I think we can go as high as $750k guaranteed for a guy like Houston with additional pay for themselves bonuses and he can parlay that into a multi million dollar gig in two to four years that is not happening at JMU. It is not just the pay it is taking the next step on the ladder as well.

Hate it for ya, your dumb ass leadership should have taken that invite and you might be talking access bowl possibilities with a guy like Houston instead that intriguing first round match up with Samford. GS banged their heads on the FCS ceiling for nearly two decades.

(10-24-2017 07:51 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  If GSU is determined to demand a TO coach that cuts down the candidate field to coordinators at about 3-4 programs unless you go to the FCS ranks. Ivin Jasper seems likeis the perfect candidate. OC for Navy, spent time in Statesboro as QB coach under Johnson.

It was very clear the under center Navy / GT flex is not a qualification. I think this needs to be clarified. Plenty of coaches run a gun style, zone read or spread type option or can get an OC that is familiar.

It was also very clear to me his preference is a HC that is going to be bringing close to a full staff. He overly emphasized the Dec recruiting period for a reason the move was made now and how a HC with a staff in place can hit the ground running. However he also said he would not be boxed in by a time frame if there is a coach still out there coaching football....FCS playoffs. All indications is Houston with the chuckle about the option qualification.

(10-24-2017 08:50 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:20 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.

The only way we dont get him likely is if we are out bid by ECU, Rice for firing their coach or CSU, ISU, USF or UCF lose their coaches to higher P5's. Most of those schools are not your typical FCS hiring schools either. Again they love that P5 smell.

I think we can go as high as $750k guaranteed for a guy like Houston with additional pay for themselves bonuses and he can parlay that into a multi million dollar gig in two to four years that is not happening at JMU. It is not just the pay it is taking the next step on the ladder as well.

Hate it for ya, your dumb ass leadership should have taken that invite and you might be talking access bowl possibilities with a guy like Houston instead that intriguing first round match up with Samford. GS banged their heads on the FCS ceiling for nearly two decades.

I guess we'll see. I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is not enamored with G5 FBS football. You say he gets more exposure at the SBC level and "can't make the big leap" from JMU. I doubt both as he has been on national broadcasts twice in the last year and had ESPN Gameday on campus again this year. I'd also argue that 20-1 @ JMU with an NC is every bit as impressive as going bowling at the G5 level...especially in the SBC.

(10-24-2017 10:03 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:50 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:20 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.

The only way we dont get him likely is if we are out bid by ECU, Rice for firing their coach or CSU, ISU, USF or UCF lose their coaches to higher P5's. Most of those schools are not your typical FCS hiring schools either. Again they love that P5 smell.

I think we can go as high as $750k guaranteed for a guy like Houston with additional pay for themselves bonuses and he can parlay that into a multi million dollar gig in two to four years that is not happening at JMU. It is not just the pay it is taking the next step on the ladder as well.

Hate it for ya, your dumb ass leadership should have taken that invite and you might be talking access bowl possibilities with a guy like Houston instead that intriguing first round match up with Samford. GS banged their heads on the FCS ceiling for nearly two decades.

I guess we'll see. I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is not enamored with G5 FBS football. You say he gets more exposure at the SBC level and "can't make the big leap" from JMU. I doubt both as he has been on national broadcasts twice in the last year and had ESPN Gameday on campus again this year. I'd also argue that 20-1 @ JMU with an NC is every bit as impressive as going bowling at the G5 level...especially in the SBC.

The only thing impressive for exposure in that whole list is Gameday. Everything else is spoken like an FCS lifer. You can get way more exposure from a single primetime bowl game than anything else that FCS gets. Also, I don't see national college football writers following the results of JMU like they have with us since moving up.

(10-24-2017 10:03 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:50 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:20 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.

The only way we dont get him likely is if we are out bid by ECU, Rice for firing their coach or CSU, ISU, USF or UCF lose their coaches to higher P5's. Most of those schools are not your typical FCS hiring schools either. Again they love that P5 smell.

I think we can go as high as $750k guaranteed for a guy like Houston with additional pay for themselves bonuses and he can parlay that into a multi million dollar gig in two to four years that is not happening at JMU. It is not just the pay it is taking the next step on the ladder as well.

Hate it for ya, your dumb ass leadership should have taken that invite and you might be talking access bowl possibilities with a guy like Houston instead that intriguing first round match up with Samford. GS banged their heads on the FCS ceiling for nearly two decades.

I guess we'll see. I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is not enamored with G5 FBS football. You say he gets more exposure at the SBC level and "can't make the big leap" from JMU. I doubt both as he has been on national broadcasts twice in the last year and had ESPN Gameday on campus again this year. I'd also argue that 20-1 @ JMU with an NC is every bit as impressive as going bowling at the G5 level...especially in the SBC.

It’s funny because some of our fans who suffer from FCS nostalgia will bring up the same things when they aren’t entirely accurate. In the FCS we were ecstatic to play on national tv because it rarely happened. Being on the SEC Network was even a treat. Now, two nationally broadcasted games are what I expect for the bare minimum each season. I can also tell you that our bowl game in 2015 was on prime time ESPN and viewed by almost twice what ANY of our national title games were in the FCS. The truth of the matter is that there is just more respect, money, press, and opportunity in the FBS and while it’s nice to be the class of the FCS, you’re still considered by most to be on a lower rung than any of us.

Exactly. App was the media darling of FCS for several years, but it was almost exclusively due to the Michigan win. Thank that game away and any wide spread exposure is basically non existent.

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Glad he's gone...now I hope we do a MUCH better job finding the replacement.

(10-24-2017 10:03 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 08:50 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:20 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 10:00 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-23-2017 06:42 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Houston will make about $450-475k @ JMU this year if he repeats. $375k is the base, plus all the usual benefits (cars, counrty club, etc).

He also has retention bonuses built in that kick in after this year. "If Houston stays at Madison for three seasons, he is entitled to a $75,000 bonus. After his fourth season, Houston would receive an additional $93,750, and if he completes the duration of his contract, he would receive another $81,250."

So, Houston's total package balloons out to about $550-$600k total with incentives over the next couple of years.

I mention this only to point out that he is compensated pretty well at JMU. If he continues crushing it at JMU, he will have multiple opportunities @ jobs higher up the pecking order. Nature of the beast.

He does what he is doing at any FBS school he will get a much better job as well. Its also the nature of the beast. Fritz is likely not even a candidate for Tulane if he stayed and Sam Houston. We can also out pay you in basic pay and incentives as Tyson Summers made 600K last year not winning a thing. We offered Fritz 700K and that did not include bonuses he could have earned. JMU is probably the highest of all of the FCS we can get to 1M fast with a winning coach. FCS has a ceiling I can tell you from experience.

JMU is good but you are not FBS that matters to less educated fan bases and AD's. I get it since I have been a fan of I-AA / FCS but I will go ahead an tell you looking back it is a huge difference and most folks will never get what the FCS is. I know a few have gotten BCS / P5 jobs from I-AA but I dont no of any recent ones. Donnan at uga but Marshall was killing it with I-A players in I-AA and caused the rule changes.

Nothing you said is wrong.

But I will add that Houston likes Harrisonburg and has what he feels is the top FCS job in the country. He is paid handsomely and has said that he doesn't want to keep moving his family around. He has the facilities and the support to dominate in FCS.

I'm not sure he is going to jump at a lower end G5 job like Withers did. That's not a shot at GSU.

We'll see. He very well may move on after this season, but I just doubt it will be to an SBC program not named App.

The only way we dont get him likely is if we are out bid by ECU, Rice for firing their coach or CSU, ISU, USF or UCF lose their coaches to higher P5's. Most of those schools are not your typical FCS hiring schools either. Again they love that P5 smell.

I think we can go as high as $750k guaranteed for a guy like Houston with additional pay for themselves bonuses and he can parlay that into a multi million dollar gig in two to four years that is not happening at JMU. It is not just the pay it is taking the next step on the ladder as well.

Hate it for ya, your dumb ass leadership should have taken that invite and you might be talking access bowl possibilities with a guy like Houston instead that intriguing first round match up with Samford. GS banged their heads on the FCS ceiling for nearly two decades.

I guess we'll see. I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is not enamored with G5 FBS football. You say he gets more exposure at the SBC level and "can't make the big leap" from JMU. I doubt both as he has been on national broadcasts twice in the last year and had ESPN Gameday on campus again this year. I'd also argue that 20-1 @ JMU with an NC is every bit as impressive as going bowling at the G5 level...especially in the SBC.

Why leave the Citadel then? He is enamored with advancing his career it seems and going places where he can get paid more and better opportunity to win. I yet to ever hear of a coach where the FCS is where they want to end their careers. It is not about the difference in JMU and a Sun Belt team it is the difference what the FBS provides versus the FCS. He is not likely going to land a P5 job straight from the FCS where it is common place and normal for P5's to raid G5 teams for HC's.

Also FCS NC's are not as impressive than FBS bowls and winning, NDSU is more respected for their FBS wins than their FCS NC's. We got more pub and attention for beating a down UF team than our six NC's combined. Ratings, attendance will all show where even the lowest bowls are more interesting to the general population the vast majority of the time compared to the FCS NC game. I hear college "experts" all the not know exactly what the FCS is or people in general know the difference in DIV II and the FCS. I get the irritation GS fans were the leaders in bitching about getting no respect at the FCS level. The fact is you are either "DIV I" which means FBS or something else. I hate it but that is reality. I bet I could ask ten FBS fans what FBS or FCS means and they would not know but ask them what DIV I means they tell you right away.

Not saying it is a sure thing, GS still has some issues and our AD does not have the best rumored reputation of being easy to work with and hey the man is married so if the wife doesnt want to live in GA well they aint living in GA. If not GS it will likely be somebody this year or next. For an FCS coach maybe one or two realistic opportunities come open for an FBS job a year and a most of the time the do not have the built in advantages that a GS has, we are down and a younger FBS program but at the end of the day we are not Kent State. We have the ability to pay well above any FCS, there is not a better recruiting situation in the country with local talent, have history, tradition, facilities, large student population and good attendance. You could do a hell of a lot worse than landing the GS job in the FBS.

(10-24-2017 10:03 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I guess we'll see. I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is not enamored with G5 FBS football. You say he gets more exposure at the SBC level and "can't make the big leap" from JMU. I doubt both as he has been on national broadcasts twice in the last year and had ESPN Gameday on campus again this year. I'd also argue that 20-1 @ JMU with an NC is every bit as impressive as going bowling at the G5 level...especially in the SBC.

It's got nothing to do with exposure. It's not like FCS head coaches are invisible to athletic directors. They're just generally not that interested in them.

Craig Bohl won 3 straight national championships at NDSU and for all that gets a job at Wyoming. And, if a program that's clearly in need of a rebuilding job like Texas State can poach a coach from JMU, I would think we can.

It's not anything I'd make a strong bet on, but there's no obvious reason it can't happen.

Craig Bohl led a dominant program at NDSU winning 3-5? national titles and he was able to jump all the way to Wyoming.

I'd also say that when a coach has made a name for himself at the G5 level, if he is offered that next step to the power five..... The state he made that name at the FBS level might come into play in regards to anticipated future recruiting.

You can't get much better than Georgia.
It also helps when he can recruit in heavy talented state while at that G5. This has to be considered when planning to succeed at that G5. And you probably can't beat the state of Georgia for that, considering population size, football talent and the low number of in state FBS teams.

Houston looks like the next coach right now.
Maybe Bohannon.

FWIW, the FCS NC had more viewers than both the Camelia and New Orleans bowl last year. Not the huge difference some seem to be trying to make it.