(10-18-2017 01:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:19 AM)lance99 Wrote:  If it came all the way down to that, the would force the issue with Delaware or Stony Brook to move up and/or even heavily condition Marshall to come back before UConn. NO MORE FOOTBALL ONLY'S! Especially if they are gone with the first Phone call!

That might be the case if the decision is by poll of supporters online. But with the decision made by college Presidents, where they'd go to in terms of "no more" is "no more take one now, look for one to add later ... add the pair at the same time."

I honestly think that the MAC Brass and Presidents have had their fill with FB Only's. The only way I see it is if there is a 10 Million Entrance and Exit fee with hard BB games every year...

(10-17-2017 10:18 PM)Bigdog731 Wrote:  I have no doubt whatsoever UCONN will at some point be in the BIG East.Their is a budget bloodbath being played out now in the state and the University system as a whole along with UCONN athletics is a big part of state budget cuts/negotiations...the cuts probably will not be as massive as the state legislature wants because they are going to have to come to some compromise with the Governor..whatever the case noway do I see the UCONN athletic department not taking a hit in some fashion...my view is that hit will be trimming some of the fat from the FB program..the subsidy to athletics is unsustainable bottom line...the ship has sailed in terms of UCONN ever hoping to land in Power 5, it's not going to happen..The Big East is a natural fit and saves lots of money all the way around..what happens to the FB program I ave no idea, I suppose they could go Indy and play a Army type schedule in terms of opponents..who knows..I sure don't....it would be good for UCONN and the AAC both in my opinion....Always be mindful FB drives everything, NOT Basketball....UCONN offers nothing in terms of FB, not to the AAC and certainly not a Power 5 conference. I would challenge anybody to make a case a of justifying a min of 25 mill and a max of 35 plus mill per year payout to UCONN, a program with something like 15 years at the D1 FB level and to my knowledge (which could be wrong) probably has historical attendance of below 30,000. The reason UofL and WVU are where they are is 100% related to FB, NOT BB.

Honestly, I think the window for UConn to the Big East is very small. Essentially, it has to be a MUCH more economically advantageous option to make sense. Right now the AAC is paying UConn about 10 million. The Big East pays 4 million and the average AAC school is getting about a 3.5-4.5 million (some portion of that avg schools number is a small share of the realignment payout--maybe $500K). Thus, the base AAC payout isnt that far behind the Big East. If the AAC gets a new deal paying anything above $4 million a school deal---it simply doesnt make sense for UConn to go to the Big East. If the deal is around 3 million a school---your nearing the economic "go-no go" point.

My feeling is by simply getting a modest raise from ESPN and reaquiring the rights to the stuff being sold to CBS-Sports (thus monetizing those rights by selling direct to CBS or some other bidder)---the AAC can get a double to 4 million a school. I think thats basically the floor for the next deal. I think with any luck at all---the AAC is looking a 6-8 million a school deal.

That number wont allow UConn to break even with its present realignment fund assisted payout---but it wont be too far off and its more than enough to make the Big East a complete "no go". Basically, a deal significantly south of 3 million a school is the only scenario where the Big East is going to make sense for UConn---and even then---it might be a "no go" if UConn places significant value on the development of FBS football program.

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO.

Yes, as much as I'd like to see UConn re-join the Big East as soon as possible, it clearly doesn't make sense for them to do that at least until the next AAC media deal is negotiated. They've stuck with the AAC through these last five lean money years so it makes no sense to bail now when the AAC is only a couple years away from the next deal.

And as you say, there's no urgency, the Big East will welcome UConn back with open arms three years from now, if UConn wants back in then.

You know it's a SLOW news day when.....

The topic of conversation is UConn football.....

They will remain a mid-major.

(10-18-2017 09:46 AM)westwolf Wrote:  They will remain a mid-major.

As always thank you for your obsession with UConn.

(10-17-2017 12:58 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/rothstein-b...11th-team/

If the AAC loses UConn what school do they add?

Not happening.

(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

(10-18-2017 11:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

(10-18-2017 02:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:18 PM)Bigdog731 Wrote:  I have no doubt whatsoever UCONN will at some point be in the BIG East.Their is a budget bloodbath being played out now in the state and the University system as a whole along with UCONN athletics is a big part of state budget cuts/negotiations...the cuts probably will not be as massive as the state legislature wants because they are going to have to come to some compromise with the Governor..whatever the case noway do I see the UCONN athletic department not taking a hit in some fashion...my view is that hit will be trimming some of the fat from the FB program..the subsidy to athletics is unsustainable bottom line...the ship has sailed in terms of UCONN ever hoping to land in Power 5, it's not going to happen..The Big East is a natural fit and saves lots of money all the way around..what happens to the FB program I ave no idea, I suppose they could go Indy and play a Army type schedule in terms of opponents..who knows..I sure don't....it would be good for UCONN and the AAC both in my opinion....Always be mindful FB drives everything, NOT Basketball....UCONN offers nothing in terms of FB, not to the AAC and certainly not a Power 5 conference. I would challenge anybody to make a case a of justifying a min of 25 mill and a max of 35 plus mill per year payout to UCONN, a program with something like 15 years at the D1 FB level and to my knowledge (which could be wrong) probably has historical attendance of below 30,000. The reason UofL and WVU are where they are is 100% related to FB, NOT BB.

Honestly, I think the window for UConn to the Big East is very small. Essentially, it has to be a MUCH more economically advantageous option to make sense. Right now the AAC is paying UConn about 10 million. The Big East pays 4 million and the average AAC school is getting about a 3.5-4.5 million (some portion of that avg schools number is a small share of the realignment payout--maybe $500K). Thus, the base AAC payout isnt that far behind the Big East. If the AAC gets a new deal paying anything above $4 million a school deal---it simply doesnt make sense for UConn to go to the Big East. If the deal is around 3 million a school---your nearing the economic "go-no go" point.

My feeling is by simply getting a modest raise from ESPN and reaquiring the rights to the stuff being sold to CBS-Sports (thus monetizing those rights by selling direct to CBS or some other bidder)---the AAC can get a double to 4 million a school. I think thats basically the floor for the next deal. I think with any luck at all---the AAC is looking a 6-8 million a school deal.

That number wont allow UConn to break even with its present realignment fund assisted payout---but it wont be too far off and its more than enough to make the Big East a complete "no go". Basically, a deal significantly south of 3 million a school is the only scenario where the Big East is going to make sense for UConn---and even then---it might be a "no go" if UConn places significant value on the development of FBS football program.

Excellent assessment. In addition to your financial information, isn't it still true that the ESPN networks are affording the AAC much greater national TV exposure for basketball than Fox is for the new Big East? At least that was the case for the ratings numbers I saw from time to time last season.

The strength of the old Big East was the blend of those urban Catholic basketball schools (mostly with a small geographic footprint for fan interest) with some high profile public universities (Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincy) plus Notre Dame. All had large alumni bases and were winning some football at that time too. Heck, even in basketball, the most recent champs from that era weren't from the Catholic 7; they were Louisville, UCONN and Syracuse.

The AAC will improve its lot in the next TV deal.

(10-17-2017 11:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Georgia State is a school that would love to move up. They have a hard core commuter school rep which is hurting them. Also I believe the name is hurting them because it sounds inappropriate for a hard core commuter school. If the name was UGA-Atlanta it would be perceived as a high end research focused branch like Illinois-Chicago or Missouri-Kansas City. That is the type of school it kind of is but with that name sounds like an Arkansas St or Texas St situation where its a regional college pretending to be a land grant.

Really glad you're not the decider of our strategy. We have 10k students living downtown. We have 53k students on 6 campuses including 33k on main campus. We are USNWR Tier One as well as Carnegie Tier One. So we are already a high end research school and recognized as such. And who would think that a hyphenated name would be more prestigious than Georgia State University. We are not a branch. We are not pouring $400M in to the former Turner Field property to be a branch. LOL

(10-18-2017 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

Virginia Tech recruits there very successfully. So does Penn State and Virginia. ECU lays claim to the same area too. How is that working for them.

we add someone else in the northeast that we can beat the crap out of like....maybe umass. whats the difference

Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

(10-18-2017 07:31 PM)panite Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

Virginia Tech recruits there very successfully. So does Penn State and Virginia. ECU lays claim to the same area too. How is that working for them.

Well ECU wasn't gifted P5 Status

(10-19-2017 12:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

Hate to interrupt, but there is more than just football in the AAC.

(10-18-2017 09:46 AM)westwolf Wrote:  They will remain a mid-major.

Your powers are weak, troll!!

(10-19-2017 08:20 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

Hate to interrupt, but there is more than just football in the AAC.

Yes

(10-19-2017 07:43 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:31 PM)panite Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

Virginia Tech recruits there very successfully. So does Penn State and Virginia. ECU lays claim to the same area too. How is that working for them.

Well ECU wasn't gifted P5 Status

Yes - very true - however Frank Beamer built VT football on the Tidal Region and VT owns that area for recruiting right now. I was surprised to hear that Penn State recruited there too. It was brought up during the Penn State football broadcast last week or the week before. Mean while the ECU faithful always claimed they would bring the Tidal Basin recruiting and TV's back to the BE if they were admitted after VT left for the ACC. Now getting back to my original point when called out that I knew nothing of the Tidal Basin and its recruiting hot bed - I would merely like to point out that the AAC doesn't need Old Dominion for the Tidal Basin territory when ECU already lays claim to it even if it is just a small part that isn't helping their game day experience right now. The AAC can always go back for Old Dominion if it is on life support should half the schools leave for a merger with the Big -12 remnants if that conference gets blown up with Texas and Oklahoma leaving down the road.