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If the AAC loses UConn what school do they add?
Nobody. The American is set as that is already "p6." or that's what Aresco wants us all to believe 07-coffee3
(10-17-2017 01:01 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody. The American is set as that is already "p6." or that's what Aresco wants us all to believe 07-coffee3

UCONN would be wise to explore this option. It is pretty obvious that many think the last major realignment will probably happein in 2024 or sooner when the B12 GOR expires. If UCONN were to be left out for football, it would make perfect sense to join the BE for all sports and get their football into a FBS G6 conference or go the Indy route with UMASS, LIBERTY, NMSU, ARMY, BYU and ND. I still think there will be either more independents added or another conference formed. The Huskies want into a Power Football Confernce but if it does not happen, nothing wrong with getting in what many agree is the Power 6 of Basketball.
I think the AAC tries for Army and Air Force and also considers the Boise/SDSU western expansion again. 14 teams.
UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.
(10-17-2017 02:09 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]I think the AAC tries for Army and Air Force and also considers the Boise/SDSU western expansion again. 14 teams.

Not sure why the AAC would want to expand, any of these adds would not make them a power conference. As much as people want to hate to admit, the CFP protected the Power conferences from anti-trust. The taking of OSU over PSU showed conference championships don't matter. Much like the NCAA Tournament for Power schools. There is even a possiblity you could have 3 P5 Champs left out. Final four Bama, UGA, ND, the other P5. As I stated before even if the CFP goest ot 8, it will be the top 8 teams not the P5 conference champions, G5 Champ and two at large. Why, because the top 8 will likely include all P5 conferences. I still see the P4 and G6 happening to basically make CCG the Semi's. Still allowing the top 4 if two weak teams were to win CCG.
UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.
UMass would come in a second, if the AAC asked. (I don't want them...period...end of story...but they'd come in a second.)
Army would probably be a "natural" addition, but for FB only. Not sure if they would join, but it'd be a "natural" addition.

Not sure who else would be considered...
(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.

I agree that Saint Louis would be a solid addition. My only concern is whether the original Big East core would want the conference-center to shift further westward.

Original Big East Core: Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown - the center was somewhere around New York City
Big East, 2nd Edition Expansion: Marquette, DePaul - the center was somewhere around Pittsburgh, perhaps
Big East, 3rd Edition Expansion: Xavier, Butler, Creighton - the center is somewhere around Cleveland, possibly

Add Saint Louis and the center becomes somewhere around Columbus or Cincinnati. Even if those estimates are off, is there really the direction the original Big East core wants the conference to grow?
(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.


Exactly. If your goal is to be a strong power conference candidate when realignment heats up again in the mid-2020's----then you dont want your football team to spend the next 7 years wondering around in the same indy wasteland as UMass.

Not to mention, UConn makes more in the AAC than they would in the Big East due to the realignment fund payments. When those realignment payments expire and the new AAC deal is determined---then UConn can accurately access whether a move to the Big East even makes sense. If the AAC gets 3-4 million a year for its media rights---moving to the Big East wouldnt make economic sense. The difference in earnings would be negligible (in fact, with the CFP payments and the liklihood the AAC gets the access bowl fairly often, the AAC probably pays more) and the damage to their football program would be near catastrophic.

That said, UConn's internal numbers may tell them that ticket sales for basketball would increase enough to create an economic reason to move to the Big East---but even then---I still suspect the economics would be unlikley to make it worth throwing your football program under the bus---something that would impair thier ability to attract a P5 invite.
(10-17-2017 02:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.


Exactly. If your goal is to be a strong power conference candidate when realignment heats up again in the mid-2020's----then you dont want your football team to spend the next 7 years wondering around in the same indy wasteland as UMass.

Not to mention, UConn makes more in the AAC than they would in the Big East due to the realignment fund payments. When those realignment payments expire and the new AAC deal is determined---then UConn can accurately access whether a move to the Big East even makes sense. If the AAC gets 3-4 million a year for its media rights---moving to the Big East wouldnt make economic sense. The difference in earnings would be negligible (in fact, with the CFP payments and the liklihood the AAC gets the access bowl fairly often, the AAC probably pays more) and the damage to their football program would be near catastrophic.

But..But...But...BYU says Indy gives them the best chance to be in a Power Conference. So won't that apply to UConn also? 05-stirthepot
(10-17-2017 02:29 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: [ -> ]UMass would come in a second, if the AAC asked. (I don't want them...period...end of story...but they'd come in a second.)
Army would probably be a "natural" addition, but for FB only. Not sure if they would join, but it'd be a "natural" addition.

Not sure who else would be considered...

Of course UMass would accept. And the AAC would have to be on an overdoes of pain medications to do something that stupid........again....(yes....I remember the Tulane invite).
(10-17-2017 02:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote: [ -> ]UConn won't do that, because it will end any possibility of the ACC for them. They are no doubt praying that there's one more round of expansion where the SEC and B1G take some ACC teams and UConn is left with an ACC invite. A FB program that is completely in the toilet from playing 7 road games a year in an independent schedule will not be well looked upon by the ACC FB schools.

But if they do go, I think exploring BYU or another western option is worthwhile before settling on Old Dominion or Army.

Completely in the toilet?!?!?! UConn is riding its second 1 game winning streak of the year right now! FB is on fire in Connecticut.
(10-17-2017 02:30 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.

I agree that Saint Louis would be a solid addition. My only concern is whether the original Big East core would want the conference-center to shift further westward.

Original Big East Core: Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown - the center was somewhere around New York City
Big East, 2nd Edition Expansion: Marquette, DePaul - the center was somewhere around Pittsburgh, perhaps
Big East, 3rd Edition Expansion: Xavier, Butler, Creighton - the center is somewhere around Cleveland, possibly

Add Saint Louis and the center becomes somewhere around Columbus or Cincinnati. Even if those estimates are off, is there really the direction the original Big East core wants the conference to grow?

I don't think that would be a realistic concern. Maryland/Rutgers did not inch the B1G away from its Midwestern roots. Colorado/Utah didn't pull the PAC away from the West Coast. The end goal is more content for more money. Schools are much more susceptible to expansion when the university in question is a peer/like-minded institution. Saint Louis is viewed favorably by a majority of the current Big East, and were pretty much guaranteed a spot if membership went beyond ten members in 2013 (which it didn't).
Question for UConn/UC/USF fans: when do the exit fees from the old Big East pot end, and how much is it currently per year? Do they expire when the current AAC deal ends?
(10-17-2017 01:59 PM)msm96wolf Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2017 01:01 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody. The American is set as that is already "p6." or that's what Aresco wants us all to believe 07-coffee3

UCONN would be wise to explore this option. It is pretty obvious that many think the last major realignment will probably happein in 2024 or sooner when the B12 GOR expires. If UCONN were to be left out for football, it would make perfect sense to join the BE for all sports and get their football into a FBS G6 conference or go the Indy route with UMASS, LIBERTY, NMSU, ARMY, BYU and ND. I still think there will be either more independents added or another conference formed. The Huskies want into a Power Football Confernce but if it does not happen, nothing wrong with getting in what many agree is the Power 6 of Basketball.

Who would take UConn as a football only?

UConn would be wise to look at the experience of BYU as an Indy before proceeding. And also take a look at UMass. For the record, they both have a combined record of 0-12 vs FBS this year. Since going Indy, BYU has a combined FBS record of 46-32, with no real statement wins and steadily declining profile. UMass since going Indy is 1-16 vs FBS.

Liberty is basically selling payday games at a deep discount. UConn can't really do that.

NMSU is playing Liberty twice a year going forward

Army and ND's situations are not applicable to UConn's. Perhaps UConn could trade a basketball away game or two for some scheduling consideration, but that might make Calhoun unhappy.

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What does UConn have to sell a potential team for a football rivalry out of conference? Does anyone recruit New England? For the ACC teams there's BC. There's also UMass to compete.
I am not an expert on UConn. I've looked over their numbers and I think they establish that where men's basketball is has the greatest impact on their athletic department.

The willingness of people to pay for the privilege of buying basketball tickets or being waitlisted is the big economic driver.

From a TV standpoint, I cannot imagine UConn pulling the trigger on a shift until AAC concludes the next TV deal and even if it isn't what they want, Big East's deal will have around six years left so I can't see pulling that trigger unless it means the Big East deal is extended.

The thing is, unless demand for UConn tickets in men's hoops is softening, I don't see even the currently better Big East contract offering enough new dollars to be worth moving because football then faces a new set of problems. There is no logical reason to endanger football just pick up a million dollars more in TV money. That's a move you make because your economic engine is sputtering and losing horsepower.
(10-17-2017 02:44 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]Question for UConn/UC/USF fans: when do the exit fees from the old Big East pot end, and how much is it currently per year? Do they expire when the current AAC deal ends?

I think they expire after 2018. The reports I have read show the fees to pay UC, UConn and USF ~$10M a year a piece.

As for the AAC, it would not hurt them one bit on the football side of the equation. Where it would really hurt would be for basketball. The league is a 3-4 bid league right now with the current makeup (including WSU). Taking UConn out would probably reduce us a bid, resulting in fewer NCAA tourney credits. Moreover, the perception of the strength of the league would decline.
(10-17-2017 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]I am not an expert on UConn. I've looked over their numbers and I think they establish that where men's basketball is has the greatest impact on their athletic department.

The willingness of people to pay for the privilege of buying basketball tickets or being waitlisted is the big economic driver.

From a TV standpoint, I cannot imagine UConn pulling the trigger on a shift until AAC concludes the next TV deal and even if it isn't what they want, Big East's deal will have around six years left so I can't see pulling that trigger unless it means the Big East deal is extended.

The thing is, unless demand for UConn tickets in men's hoops is softening, I don't see even the currently better Big East contract offering enough new dollars to be worth moving because football then faces a new set of problems. There is no logical reason to endanger football just pick up a million dollars more in TV money. That's a move you make because your economic engine is sputtering and losing horsepower.

Exactly. I just dont think the internal numbers could be that big---but maybe Im wrong. I'd also throw out that the AAC with Wichita, Cinci, Memphis, Temple, SMU, and Houston---should be a perfectly solid platform for UConn to qualify for NCAA bids. Its not the Big East---but that line up should be capable of spinning off 3-5 bids a year. Its consistently done 2-4 bids without Wichita---and its done that with Temple and Memphis being in a down period.

The point being---is the incremental improvement of Big East basketball membership going to be worth subjecting UConn football to the same fate as UMass football? Its just hard for me to see how that question gets answered as "yes" without the AAC TV contract coming in at or below 2-3 million range.
(10-17-2017 02:55 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2017 02:44 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]Question for UConn/UC/USF fans: when do the exit fees from the old Big East pot end, and how much is it currently per year? Do they expire when the current AAC deal ends?

I think they expire after 2018. The reports I have read show the fees to pay UC, UConn and USF ~$10M a year a piece.

As for the AAC, it would not hurt them one bit on the football side of the equation. Where it would really hurt would be for basketball. The league is a 3-4 bid league right now with the current makeup (including WSU). Taking UConn out would probably reduce us a bid, resulting in fewer NCAA tourney credits. Moreover, the perception of the strength of the league would decline.

The total conference payout for UConn is just over 10 million (including the realignment payments). The other newer members that were not part of the old Big East get much smaller payments from the realignment fund. I think thier total conference payout is between 3.5 million and 4.5 million (depending on when they joined the AAC). So, basically, the media deal would have to jump to roughly 8.5 million a school for UConn to simply break even with their current AAC revenue.
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