(10-19-2017 08:20 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

Hate to interrupt, but there is more than just football in the AAC.

Yup. UConn is the best basketball brand in the AAC....but there is absolutely no way we allow UConn football to stay in the AAC if UConn Olympic sports move to the Big East. if we allowed them to keep thier football in the AAC—then that actually becomes by far the best option for UConn. The AAC split for football would likely be 70% football and 30% for basketball. Thus, UConn could get a 100% share of the Big East tv contract (4 million) plus 70% of the next AAC contract (let’s say 70% of 6 million or 4.2 million) for a total of 8.2 million. Plus, a full share of CFP and bowl earnings. That’s more than members of either conference make from media—and with CFP, bowl money, and Big East basketball credit income—will be close to enough to break even with the current realignment fund assisted AAC payout of 10 million.

More importantly—UConn doesn’t have to throw thier developing football program under a bus. If we allow them to keep thier football in the AAC—we’d pretty much be giving them every reason to move thier valuable basketball program elsewhere.

Not really an intelligent way to go for the AAC—which is why it won’t be an option for UConn.

(10-18-2017 01:31 PM)panama Wrote:  We are not a branch. We are not pouring $400M in to the former Turner Field property to be a branch. LOL

Agreed, you're not a branch. To be pouring $400M into Turner Field you'd have to be more like a nut.

Looks good.


American East
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida




American West
Tulane
Southern Methodist
Houston
Tulsa
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

(10-19-2017 10:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 08:20 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

Hate to interrupt, but there is more than just football in the AAC.

Yup. UConn is the best basketball brand in the AAC....but there is absolutely no way we allow UConn football to stay in the AAC if UConn Olympic sports move to the Big East. if we allowed them to keep thier football in the AAC—then that actually becomes by far the best option for UConn. The AAC split for football would likely be 70% football and 30% for basketball. Thus, UConn could get a 100% share of the Big East tv contract (4 million) plus 70% of the next AAC contract (let’s say 70% of 6 million or 4.2 million) for a total of 8.2 million. Plus, a full share of CFP and bowl earnings. That’s more than members of either conference make from media—and with CFP, bowl money, and Big East basketball credit income—will be close to enough to break even with the current realignment fund assisted AAC payout of 10 million.

More importantly—UConn doesn’t have to throw thier developing football program under a bus. If we allow them to keep thier football in the AAC—we’d pretty much be giving them every reason to move thier valuable basketball program elsewhere.

Not really an intelligent way to go for the AAC—which is why it won’t be an option for UConn.

I didn’t think this would have to be explained

(10-19-2017 11:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 10:29 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 08:20 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 12:19 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Seriously, would the AAC even miss them at all? They add nothing to SOS and seem to have an attitude like BYU that the earth revolves around them.


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Annnd this.

Hate to interrupt, but there is more than just football in the AAC.

Yup. UConn is the best basketball brand in the AAC....but there is absolutely no way we allow UConn football to stay in the AAC if UConn Olympic sports move to the Big East. if we allowed them to keep thier football in the AAC—then that actually becomes by far the best option for UConn. The AAC split for football would likely be 70% football and 30% for basketball. Thus, UConn could get a 100% share of the Big East tv contract (4 million) plus 70% of the next AAC contract (let’s say 70% of 6 million or 4.2 million) for a total of 8.2 million. Plus, a full share of CFP and bowl earnings. That’s more than members of either conference make from media—and with CFP, bowl money, and Big East basketball credit income—will be close to enough to break even with the current realignment fund assisted AAC payout of 10 million.

More importantly—UConn doesn’t have to throw thier developing football program under a bus. If we allow them to keep thier football in the AAC—we’d pretty much be giving them every reason to move thier valuable basketball program elsewhere.

Not really an intelligent way to go for the AAC—which is why it won’t be an option for UConn.

I didn’t think this would have to be explained

I dont think people understand how economically advantageous this would be for UConn. Thier administration would be negligent if they didnt make the move. Its economically so attractive to UConn, that it would be darn close to the AAC actually being an active participant in pushing UConn basketball out of the conference. I dont think people actually realized how much it changes the revenue side of the equation if the AAC allows UConn football to remain in the AAC if UConn basketball moves to the Big East.

(10-19-2017 11:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Looks good.


American East
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida




American West
Tulane
Southern Methodist
Houston
Tulsa
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

At this point if at least revenue neutral, I think the western schools would go for this.


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Make no mistake about it UCONN took a devastating hit to the basketball brand once the Big East separated and they didn't get an Power 5 invite. The FB program really add nothing the the AAC. In fact it's a drag on the conference. Best thing UCONN could do is get back in the BIG EAST with some of the historical geographic rivals and perhaps go Indy with a less that stellar year in year out manageable schedule. Simply get out a map and place a dot on every BIG EAST program that UCONN used to be associated with and then place a dot on UCONN (St Johns/Providence/Seaton Hall/Villanova/Georgetown) and then look at the AAC....UCONN has no rivalries or nothing.

The thing to look at with UCONN is expenditures in FB. Even more TeeVee money isn't going to help much on that front..well, not AAC type money even when the new deal is done. At some point the windfall UCONN/USF/CINCY are still getting form the Old Big East is going to dry up and that revenue will not be made up even with TeeVee money.

Always be mindful FB not BB drives everything. Some it seems cannot grasp the reality of that but its true. Another thing to keep in mind is the NE is a pro sports region and always will be, certainly in terms of FB.

UCONN has hung around in hopes of the Power five invite...I think the realization is they are not going to make the cut, ever.

(10-19-2017 11:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Looks good.


American East
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida




American West
Tulane
Southern Methodist
Houston
Tulsa
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

If they had that lineup, they could start referring to themselves as a P6 conference.

Has there been a news report saying we're going to the Big East? Or is somebody just posting nonsense?

(10-19-2017 10:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 07:43 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:31 PM)panite Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:02 AM)panite Wrote:  Why would the AAC add Old Dominion. When the AAC formed with all the CUSA replacements before Navy came on board the AAC only received $2 million per school on the TV contract. CUSA where Old Dominion now resides has gone backwards with the TV contract with Old Dominion in it. An Old Dominion add for TV purposes make absolutely no sense at all. The AAC won't need them anyway because UCONN isn't leaving the conference.

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

Virginia Tech recruits there very successfully. So does Penn State and Virginia. ECU lays claim to the same area too. How is that working for them.

Well ECU wasn't gifted P5 Status

Yes - very true - however Frank Beamer built VT football on the Tidal Region and VT owns that area for recruiting right now. I was surprised to hear that Penn State recruited there too. It was brought up during the Penn State football broadcast last week or the week before. Mean while the ECU faithful always claimed they would bring the Tidal Basin recruiting and TV's back to the BE if they were admitted after VT left for the ACC. Now getting back to my original point when called out that I knew nothing of the Tidal Basin and its recruiting hot bed - I would merely like to point out that the AAC doesn't need Old Dominion for the Tidal Basin territory when ECU already lays claim to it even if it is just a small part that isn't helping their game day experience right now. The AAC can always go back for Old Dominion if it is on life support should half the schools leave for a merger with the Big -12 remnants if that conference gets blown up with Texas and Oklahoma leaving down the road.

Tidal Basin?

Yep. You clearly know what you're talking about.

(10-19-2017 01:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 10:02 AM)panite Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 07:43 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:31 PM)panite Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

Apparently you have no clue about the Tide Water area for football recruits. One reason ACC schools have agreed to play at ODU is to recruit there. Especially the Atlantic Division Teams which only gets 2 vists to VA every 12 years. ODU has a very nice basketball facility and working on football. Norfolk has a good TV market and makes geographical sense. They have basketball history and strong support for their football. I am not saying the AAC should jump and invite ODU but if there were losses to the conference, the AAC would be very foolish if ODU was not on there list of candidates.

Virginia Tech recruits there very successfully. So does Penn State and Virginia. ECU lays claim to the same area too. How is that working for them.

Well ECU wasn't gifted P5 Status

Yes - very true - however Frank Beamer built VT football on the Tidal Region and VT owns that area for recruiting right now. I was surprised to hear that Penn State recruited there too. It was brought up during the Penn State football broadcast last week or the week before. Mean while the ECU faithful always claimed they would bring the Tidal Basin recruiting and TV's back to the BE if they were admitted after VT left for the ACC. Now getting back to my original point when called out that I knew nothing of the Tidal Basin and its recruiting hot bed - I would merely like to point out that the AAC doesn't need Old Dominion for the Tidal Basin territory when ECU already lays claim to it even if it is just a small part that isn't helping their game day experience right now. The AAC can always go back for Old Dominion if it is on life support should half the schools leave for a merger with the Big -12 remnants if that conference gets blown up with Texas and Oklahoma leaving down the road.

Tidal Basin?

Yep. You clearly know what you're talking about.

Yeah, really? Everyone knows that area's referred to as "Sh!t Hole"

Another UConn football going independent thread.

(10-20-2017 12:59 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Another UConn football going independent thread.

Yes I agree!

Can we please stop with these threads already? There is ZERO chance that UConn leaves the AAC in its current form unless it is for the ACC or Big 10, neither of which are remotely likely.

The Big East is a good basketball conference but let's not pretend it has the same drawing power as it once did before the ACC raid. The AAC basketball conference as a whole was pretty terrible last year but this is a conference that is trending up. Cincinnati, Memphis, and Temple all have great basketball tradition and teams like WSU, SMU, Houston, and UCF are improving their programs at a rapid pace. The AAC will soon cement itself as a power basketball conference and once the new media deal is secured there won't be a financial disparity between the Big East and the AAC anymore either. UConn will be just fine in the AAC.

(10-18-2017 01:31 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Georgia State is a school that would love to move up. They have a hard core commuter school rep which is hurting them. Also I believe the name is hurting them because it sounds inappropriate for a hard core commuter school. If the name was UGA-Atlanta it would be perceived as a high end research focused branch like Illinois-Chicago or Missouri-Kansas City. That is the type of school it kind of is but with that name sounds like an Arkansas St or Texas St situation where its a regional college pretending to be a land grant.

Really glad you're not the decider of our strategy. We have 10k students living downtown. We have 53k students on 6 campuses including 33k on main campus. We are USNWR Tier One as well as Carnegie Tier One. So we are already a high end research school and recognized as such. And who would think that a hyphenated name would be more prestigious than Georgia State University. We are not a branch. We are not pouring $400M in to the former Turner Field property to be a branch. LOL

You completely validated what I'm saying when you only have 10k of 53k students living downtown.

These are the type of reasons your getting overlooked not to mention a football program that hasn't done anything in its first few years of inception. Can't even get into CUSA.

We add someone from Belt or USA and upgrade FB.

(10-17-2017 11:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 09:44 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:42 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:58 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/rothstein-b...11th-team/

If the AAC loses UConn what school do they add?

They would have to add a school if stuck at 11 so it will be possible to play a conference championship game.

Wichita State was added in the west to balance out travel. Replacement then will have to be in the east (east of Memphis).

The AAC likes consistently strong FB/BB. This is where Western Kentucky is viewed to be fairly attractive. Ohio also fits that mold and could travel partner with Cincinnati. There was a time back when UC was in CUSA they wouldn't have wanted the competition but now they probably wouldn't mind a regional rival.

I believe you are the best reply so far.

What do you think about Southern Miss, Marshall, MTSU and as crazy as it sounds GA State and UAB?

Southern Miss draw has always been like ECU where they had an unusually big program for a mid major. Well they did anyways. They are only drawing 22,000 behind Arkansas State and Troy both which have caught up on the facilities front. The same goes for Marshall really but they are in a worse position than USM which has decent academics.

Middle Tennessee has nice FB/BB. They definitely work real nice in CUSA squaring up against WKU, UAB, ODU, Charlotte. Definitely some chemistry there. However I don't think they have the tradition the AAC is looking for. More likely they would look at WKU with the deeper basketball tradition.

UAB has a strong rep in basketball but a lousy rep in FB. The AAC is going to be weary of adding a program to a fill a football slot that just a few years prior dropped football.

Georgia State is a school that would love to move up. They have a hard core commuter school rep which is hurting them. Also I believe the name is hurting them because it sounds inappropriate for a hard core commuter school. If the name was UGA-Atlanta it would be perceived as a high end research focused branch like Illinois-Chicago or Missouri-Kansas City. That is the type of school it kind of is but with that name sounds like an Arkansas St or Texas St situation where its a regional college pretending to be a land grant.

Out of the CUSA options WKU is what I think the AAC would be most comfortable with, IMO.

Unusually large program for a mid-major? Really? There wasn't much difference between ECU and the other independents in the 1980's. If ECU was placed in Big East football like Pittsburgh, WVU, Virginia Tech, etc... ECU would have grown larger.

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.

Wrong. If the drive is for 20 then it has to be TV ratings driven, and that means a UConn over SLU by a very large margin. FOX would be the driver.

The problem however is on the UConn side, and has three parts
1. Football needs a home, and by that I mean Bowl access and quality scheduling.
2. Revenue for football must be at least revenue neutral compared to today.
3. The hefty exit fees from the AAC must be covered
- this means $10m, even if spread out over 10 years via a loan (from the University to knock the price below $1m per year)
- this means 2+ years notice

Could the home be as an Indy? Possibly, but it would require FOX or CBS (can't see ESPN wanting to help FS1 Big East Basketball, so it wont be them) to partner with UConn and provide a contract in the BYU ball park (say $4-5m per year) to help cover the loan to pay the exit fee and remain at least revenue neutral. The other item they need is Bowl access, and that could be an issue with ESPN controlling almost all the games. Scheduling after September is an issue, and would require their network sponsor to help (unless you like a November schedule of Liberty or UMass and some FCS school like Wagner).

It's sort of a catch-22 for FOX. While they would benefit greatly from adding UConn to the Big East, gaining a week or two in December of quality programming and 20 more Big East games (from 90 to 110), they would likely have to expend some of that gain to support UConn football. And UConn's powers that be, especially in Football, have to be convinced it's worth it.

The addition of SLU is not so great an add. Yes FOX gains 20 games, but the SLU TV audience does not help improve advertising the legions of UConn fans would. It's just a minor brand.

So it's UConn or nobody. And UConn has a high threshold of cost.

I think UConn could make football independence work. Without any need created by independence, the Huskies already have Boston College scheduled three times in November ('17, '22, '23) and HOST Missouri this weekend (late October...). They would be a perfect filler for a ACC scheduling gap created by the Notre Dame affiliation. UMass as an annual game is a no-brainer. They could likely get somewhat consistent later season games against Army, BYU, and Liberty and even Notre Dame on occasion. Fill in some gaps with AAC and MAC schools and....done.

If needed, the AD could use UConn 's OOC basketball schedule as a negotiation tool to get late season games against decent football opponents.

The schedule could look something like this:

8/31 - Holy Cross (FCS)
9/9 - Illinois
9/16 - at Virginia
9/23 - Temple
9/30 - at Northern Illinois
10/7 - at Cincinnati
10/14 - Buffalo
10/21 - at Liberty/BYU/Army
10/28 - Missouri
11/4 - BYE
11/11 - at Pitt
11/18 - v. Boston College (Fenway Park)
11/25 - UMass

HOME: Holy Cross, Illinois, Temple, Buffalo, Missouri, UMass
ROAD: Virginia, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati, Liberty/BYU/Army, Pitt, Boston College (Fenway)

(10-27-2017 02:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  I think UConn could make football independence work. Without any need created by independence, the Huskies already have Boston College scheduled three times in November ('17, '22, '23) and HOST Missouri this weekend (late October...). They would be a perfect filler for a ACC scheduling gap created by the Notre Dame affiliation. UMass as an annual game is a no-brainer. They could likely get somewhat consistent later season games against Army, BYU, and Liberty and even Notre Dame on occasion. Fill in some gaps with AAC and MAC schools and....done.

If needed, the AD could use UConn 's OOC basketball schedule as a negotiation tool to get late season games against decent football opponents.

The schedule could look something like this:

8/31 - Holy Cross (FCS)
9/9 - Illinois
9/16 - at Virginia
9/23 - Temple
9/30 - at Northern Illinois
10/7 - at Cincinnati
10/14 - Buffalo
10/21 - at Liberty/BYU/Army
10/28 - Missouri
11/4 - BYE
11/11 - at Pitt
11/18 - v. Boston College (Fenway Park)
11/25 - UMass

HOME: Holy Cross, Illinois, Temple, Buffalo, Missouri, UMass
ROAD: Virginia, Northern Illinois, Cincinnati, Liberty/BYU/Army, Pitt, Boston College (Fenway)

I dont think scheduling would be the big problem. Attractive home scheduling would be an issue. Late season scheduling would be an issue. Little chance at an access bowl and only limited access to any bowl at all would be issues. Both of these issues would tend to have negative consequences on recruting--which would further make it more difficult to build the program.

Like I said, I think UConn will be in the AAC unless the new tv deal is a total bust---which would require it being less than 3 million a team (and even then, Im not sure UConn would be willing to damage a program that needs to look pretty decent if they hope to be a strong P5 expansion candidate when/if realignment restarts in the mid-2020's. That said, if they could swing a football only deal with the MAC---leaving is much more viable---but--even then---I still think the AAC is the best overall platform for UConn until a P5 offer comes along.

(10-27-2017 01:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn is not returning to the Big East - at least not until the next AAC contract is decided. Jumping ship now would just be foolish. If UConn really wants to come back to the Big East, that door will still be open down the road, IMO. There's no urgency right now to get back together.

From the Big East's perspective, if the goal is really go to 20 conference games AND keep the round-robin sooner, it makes too much sense to invite Saint Louis after this year (with SLU much improved and no longer being at the bottom of the A-10). Ford has been recruiting very well since he was hired, and he has taken the Fred Hoiberg-route towards building a contender (acquiring lots of transfers). SLU is not only a like-minded institution with Marquette, Xavier and Creighton, but they would also bring a strong media market, and bring added value in terms of additional games during conference play, another conference tournament game in MSG, and add a good travel partner for Creighton in Olympic sports. They also have a fantastic arena that seats 10k, that would be on par with almost all of the other BE facilities.

Wrong. If the drive is for 20 then it has to be TV ratings driven, and that means a UConn over SLU by a very large margin. FOX would be the driver.

The problem however is on the UConn side, and has three parts
1. Football needs a home, and by that I mean Bowl access and quality scheduling.
2. Revenue for football must be at least revenue neutral compared to today.
3. The hefty exit fees from the AAC must be covered
- this means $10m, even if spread out over 10 years via a loan (from the University to knock the price below $1m per year)
- this means 2+ years notice

Could the home be as an Indy? Possibly, but it would require FOX or CBS (can't see ESPN wanting to help FS1 Big East Basketball, so it wont be them) to partner with UConn and provide a contract in the BYU ball park (say $4-5m per year) to help cover the loan to pay the exit fee and remain at least revenue neutral. The other item they need is Bowl access, and that could be an issue with ESPN controlling almost all the games. Scheduling after September is an issue, and would require their network sponsor to help (unless you like a November schedule of Liberty or UMass and some FCS school like Wagner).

It's sort of a catch-22 for FOX. While they would benefit greatly from adding UConn to the Big East, gaining a week or two in December of quality programming and 20 more Big East games (from 90 to 110), they would likely have to expend some of that gain to support UConn football. And UConn's powers that be, especially in Football, have to be convinced it's worth it.

The addition of SLU is not so great an add. Yes FOX gains 20 games, but the SLU TV audience does not help improve advertising the legions of UConn fans would. It's just a minor brand.

So it's UConn or nobody. And UConn has a high threshold of cost.

Not that I think it will happen, but UConn would also bring their slate of women's games to Fox as well, and the UConn women are probably worth as much or more nationally than the men's A-10 programs they'd otherwise be looking at adding. Again, probably won't happen, but UConn brings enough value in terms of content volume over the alternatives that Fox would likely float football with a minor broadcast contract and noon slots on FS1.