(10-16-2017 06:00 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:34 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

So much projection here, I am not sure where to start. I think we can agree that the season is evaluated as a whole, not in parts. A lot will happen in the next month.

You are starting to sound like the people here that said Stanford would go 6-6 and Arizona State would go 3-9.

Just enjoy the ride my friend.

Really? Are you a trump disciple? I called you out for projecting a few weeks ago, maybe you dont understand what it means?

Losing to boise means your over all ranking will drop below wmu last year while memphis will climb having only lost to a highly ranked ucf. It wont even be close between you two, you better concentrate on how sdsu is going to get to its championship game, because fresno is coming and i dont think you all are guaranteed to win.

Sweetheart, stomp the temper tantrum my love. Your mother and I are not going to discuss this until you calm down.

(10-16-2017 08:56 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:00 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:34 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

So much projection here, I am not sure where to start. I think we can agree that the season is evaluated as a whole, not in parts. A lot will happen in the next month.

You are starting to sound like the people here that said Stanford would go 6-6 and Arizona State would go 3-9.

Just enjoy the ride my friend.

Really? Are you a trump disciple? I called you out for projecting a few weeks ago, maybe you dont understand what it means?

Losing to boise means your over all ranking will drop below wmu last year while memphis will climb having only lost to a highly ranked ucf. It wont even be close between you two, you better concentrate on how sdsu is going to get to its championship game, because fresno is coming and i dont think you all are guaranteed to win.

Sweetheart, stomp the temper tantrum my love. Your mother and I are not going to discuss this until you calm down.

Fanhood, my brother, this is just getting weird. Like "Silence of the Lambs" weird.

(10-16-2017 05:50 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:27 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  According to the NCAA statistics http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...ivision=11 , Memphis has played the 6th toughest schedule in football so far this season. They have beaten two ranked teams #24 UCLA and #25 Navy and their only loss is to now ranked UCF. Our opponents now have a combined 7 losses, 4 of which they received from Memphis.

There's still a lot of football to be played, but I wouldn't count Memphis out yet.

Memphis, isn't out of it by any means, but the stats you cite are pretty crazy. First, nobody takes the NCAA schedule rating seriously. Sagarin, which is taken seriously, has Memphis's current SOS at #82, Colley-Matrix at #40, Massey at #85.

Also, Memphis has now beaten zero ranked teams, as UCLA and Navy are no longer ranked. When beating "ranked teams" is discussed, it's the current ranking that matters, not the time the game was played, because the latter is nonsensical.

If Memphis runs the table, they probably lose out on the NY6 bid to an SDSU that does so as well but that's probably the only team that could stop you, and even then, you would be a very viable contender and that vote could go your way, so no, you aren't out of it by any means.

But no need to embellish the old credentials ...

Oh quohood, i knew that was you before i looked to see who wrote it. You realize by shorting this conference you hurt your team right? But i think thats your plan. Usf's sos is largely dependent on their conference games this year. You're basically like a fan of the team winning the upset who chants over rated.

Nothing I said in that post "shorted" the AAC, it was a tamping-down of overheated pro-Memphis rhetoric.

As for anything I say hurting my team, you're pretty delusional if you think anything you or I say on this forum has any impact on what happens to USF or Tulane. Would be cool if it did, but alas, no dice.

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis, isn't out of it by any means, but the stats you cite are pretty crazy. First, nobody takes the NCAA schedule rating seriously. Sagarin, which is taken seriously, has Memphis's current SOS at #82, Colley-Matrix at #40, Massey at #85.

Also, Memphis has now beaten zero ranked teams, as UCLA and Navy are no longer ranked. When beating "ranked teams" is discussed, it's the current ranking that matters, not the time the game was played, because the latter is nonsensical.

If Memphis runs the table, they probably lose out on the NY6 bid to an SDSU that does so as well but that's probably the only team that could stop you, and even then, you would be a very viable contender and that vote could go your way, so no, you aren't out of it by any means.

Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis, isn't out of it by any means, but the stats you cite are pretty crazy. First, nobody takes the NCAA schedule rating seriously. Sagarin, which is taken seriously, has Memphis's current SOS at #82, Colley-Matrix at #40, Massey at #85.

Also, Memphis has now beaten zero ranked teams, as UCLA and Navy are no longer ranked. When beating "ranked teams" is discussed, it's the current ranking that matters, not the time the game was played, because the latter is nonsensical.

If Memphis runs the table, they probably lose out on the NY6 bid to an SDSU that does so as well but that's probably the only team that could stop you, and even then, you would be a very viable contender and that vote could go your way, so no, you aren't out of it by any means.

Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule., and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.


If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

Remind me again what top 25 team SDSU has remaining on their crptastic schedule? Memphis will have one if they win out. SDSU doesnt.

And that is why the AAC will have the edge year in and year out in the access bowl.

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis, isn't out of it by any means, but the stats you cite are pretty crazy. First, nobody takes the NCAA schedule rating seriously. Sagarin, which is taken seriously, has Memphis's current SOS at #82, Colley-Matrix at #40, Massey at #85.

Also, Memphis has now beaten zero ranked teams, as UCLA and Navy are no longer ranked. When beating "ranked teams" is discussed, it's the current ranking that matters, not the time the game was played, because the latter is nonsensical.

If Memphis runs the table, they probably lose out on the NY6 bid to an SDSU that does so as well but that's probably the only team that could stop you, and even then, you would be a very viable contender and that vote could go your way, so no, you aren't out of it by any means.

Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

In UCF's case, SOS comparison would be victim shaming. We were victims of a natural disaster and lent our facilities to the National Guard. Our SOS would be stronger with the GT game on the schedule.

It's 100% victim shaming if we are left out for SOS. UCF might have issue selling out the stadium but we have a ton of internet trolls. There would be heavy campaigning if the Playoff committee used SOS against us due to the hurricane.

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

None of that really matters at this point. Three AAC teams are already in front of any other potential G5 conference champ. From here---top 25 wins will carry the day. Whoever wins the AAC will have to get multiple "top 25" victories over the back half of the season in order to win the AAC championship. That will keep them elevated well above the rest of the other G5 competitors with ease. There is really no way for any other G5 champ to get there at this point. The advantage of having 3 top 25 teams (plus one just outside the top 25) cant be overcome by any other G5 conference schedule. Its over. The question isnt "if" an AAC team will get the access bowl---the question is really "which" AAC team will get the access bowl.

(10-17-2017 11:26 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

If Navy beat all of those teams they would be ranked like 15th. Thats a massey composite 9th ND, 11th UCF, and 3 loss Army. Good luck to anyone who can do that.
Massey Composite says:
11 UCF (best win 30)
23 USF (best win 98)
24 SDSU (best win 16)
28 Boise State (best win 24)
30 Memphis (best win 36)
36 Navy (best win 77)
39 Toledo (best win 84)
50 SMU (best win 87)
52 Houston (best win 48)
57 CSU (best win 93)
58 Marshall (best win 99)
59 Fresno State (best win 88)
60 WMU (best win 89)
61 NIU (best win 73)
65 App State (best win 101)

(10-17-2017 10:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule., and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.


If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

Remind me again what top 25 team SDSU has remaining on their crptastic schedule? Memphis will have one if they win out. SDSU doesnt.

And that is why the AAC will have the edge year in and year out in the access bowl.

This is correct according to cfp statements. It will require a 2 loss aac team to give a 1 loss sdsu a chance. Navy with only losses to memphis and ucf would still be ahead. Sdsu would get in over a two loss usf and probably a two loss ucf. Other than that no one loss team from the aac will have sdsu picked over them, despite quohoods negative out look or fanhoods dreams. Its over.

(10-17-2017 12:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:26 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

If Navy beat all of those teams they would be ranked like 15th. Thats a massey composite 9th ND, 11th UCF, and 3 loss Army. Good luck to anyone who can do that.
Massey Composite says:
11 UCF (best win 30)
23 USF (best win 98)
24 SDSU (best win 16)
28 Boise State (best win 24)
30 Memphis (best win 36)
36 Navy (best win 77)
39 Toledo (best win 84)
50 SMU (best win 87)
52 Houston (best win 48)
57 CSU (best win 93)
58 Marshall (best win 99)
59 Fresno State (best win 88)
60 WMU (best win 89)
61 NIU (best win 73)
65 App State (best win 101)

Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

(10-17-2017 01:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:26 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

If Navy beat all of those teams they would be ranked like 15th. Thats a massey composite 9th ND, 11th UCF, and 3 loss Army. Good luck to anyone who can do that.
Massey Composite says:
11 UCF (best win 30)
23 USF (best win 98)
24 SDSU (best win 16)
28 Boise State (best win 24)
30 Memphis (best win 36)
36 Navy (best win 77)
39 Toledo (best win 84)
50 SMU (best win 87)
52 Houston (best win 48)
57 CSU (best win 93)
58 Marshall (best win 99)
59 Fresno State (best win 88)
60 WMU (best win 89)
61 NIU (best win 73)
65 App State (best win 101)

Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

You guys are missing the point. USF, UCF, and Memphis are ahead of any other G5 team as of today. All 3 are ranked. They each have to play and beat multiple top 25 teams in order to win the AAC. Thier SOS over the last half of the season means whoever wins the AAC literally cannot be caught by any other G5 champ. The AAC champ (whoever it ends up being) will be piling up Top 25 wins while the rest of the G5 champs will be playing unranked teams. Game over.

(10-17-2017 01:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:26 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

If Navy beat all of those teams they would be ranked like 15th. Thats a massey composite 9th ND, 11th UCF, and 3 loss Army. Good luck to anyone who can do that.
Massey Composite says:
11 UCF (best win 30)
23 USF (best win 98)
24 SDSU (best win 16)
28 Boise State (best win 24)
30 Memphis (best win 36)
36 Navy (best win 77)
39 Toledo (best win 84)
50 SMU (best win 87)
52 Houston (best win 48)
57 CSU (best win 93)
58 Marshall (best win 99)
59 Fresno State (best win 88)
60 WMU (best win 89)
61 NIU (best win 73)
65 App State (best win 101)

Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

You guys are missing the point. USF, UCF, and Memphis are ahead of any other G5 team as of today. All 3 are ranked. They each have to play and beat multiple top 25 teams in order to win the AAC. Thier SOS over the last half of the season means whoever wins the AAC literally cannot be caught by any other G5 champ. The AAC champ (whoever it ends up being) will be piling up Top 25 wins while the rest of the G5 champs will be playing unranked teams. Game over.

You realize the rankings that matter have not come out yet, right? So your statement is false, since nobody knows what the rankings will be.

You could be right, but you don't know right now.

Also, it is not a foot race, and nobody is going to "get caught," so your use of the term "literally" is not accurate.

(10-17-2017 10:35 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule., and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.


If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

Remind me again what top 25 team SDSU has remaining on their crptastic schedule? Memphis will have one if they win out. SDSU doesnt.

And that is why the AAC will have the edge year in and year out in the access bowl.

SDSU won't have a top 25 team remaining on their schedule, but if Stanford wins out, they will have beaten a top 10, P5 Champ. That will easily trump Memphis beating an unbeaten UCF or USF in the AAC title game.

As for the AAC having a year-in, year-out edge, we sure haven't seen it so far. We've gotten the bid one time in three years.

(10-17-2017 10:49 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 02:31 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:25 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Dude, you are high. The difference between our resumes' will be huge. And it will be all because of the difference in strength of our conferences.

Again ... if Stanford keeps winning and ends up with a high rank, that will trump all the Memphis wins within the AAC. Don't fool yourself about that.

Heck, who do you think you are playing from here on out?

Houston? They are 4-2, you beat them, they are 4-3.
SMU? Also 4-2, will also be 4-3.
Tulane? They are 3-3, after we beat them, 3-4, after you do, 3-5.

Then you play 2-5 Tulsa and 1-6 ECU. You think that's going to help your SOS to impress the CFP?

You don't have any good games left on your schedule, save for a possible AAC title game.

USF and UCF no longer need to worry about SDSU - if we win out, we're in the NY6. But Memphis still does.

Have you taken a look at that "craptastic" schedule SD state has remaining. Two 1-6 teams and, I believe one team with a winning record remain. If we run the table we will have a win over a highly ranked USF or UCF and one loss in a much tougher conference. San Diego State's SOS will not be the equal of Memphis and Memphis is currently higher ranked. Also Memphis only loss will be to a much better team than Boise.

Yes, SDSU has a craptastic remaining schedule, and I'm well aware of that. Unfortunately, Memphis's remaining schedule isn't much to look at either. It's the difference between a "soft" schedule and a "very soft" schedule, which isn't much of a difference.

If I were a Memphis fan thinking of the NY6, I'd definitely want Stanford to suffer another loss and not play for the PAC title.

I agree, if UCF and USF stumble, the fates of the 1 loss teams ride a whole lot on the P5 teams beaten.

SDSU - Needs Stanford do well. ASU making it to 6-6 would be a huge lift for them.

Memphis - Fate rides on UCLA. (Has all decent teams remaining and two ranked). In addition, they may have a third FBS win against a Bowl Eligible NIU

UCF - Needs MD to perform better. MD just to get to bowl Eligible has to beat either
PSU, Mich, MSU or Wisc) If they do, could bode well for UCF. Similar to SDSU, FIU may be bowl Elgible.

Navy - If Memphis loses twice, their fate rides on ND and a strong Army team.

USF - Need more be said about SOS and OOC. They have to go undefeated. It would not surprise if UCF was ahead of them in the first CFP if both are undefeated.

Marshall - My darkhorse, they have the same issue with SOS but at least in their OOC was four FBS teams. A loss to a possibly CFP Ranked NCSU. I still think they would need AAC and MWC to have two loss G5 champs to even be in consideration.

This is an excellent summation of the current situation. The only thing I'd add to it is that UCF and USF control their destinies - if they win out, they are the NY6 rep, doesn't matter what any other G5 school does and doesn't matter how bad their SOS is.

But if either loses a game but then still ends up winning their division and playing for the AAC title, then yes, those OOC factors you mention for them become relevant.

(10-17-2017 11:10 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  In UCF's case, SOS comparison would be victim shaming. We were victims of a natural disaster and lent our facilities to the National Guard. Our SOS would be stronger with the GT game on the schedule.

It's 100% victim shaming if we are left out for SOS. UCF might have issue selling out the stadium but we have a ton of internet trolls. There would be heavy campaigning if the Playoff committee used SOS against us due to the hurricane.

You can't use the hurricane to have it both ways: Yes, because you didn't play Georgia Tech, your SOS will be weaker. But on the other hand, had you played Georgia Tech, you very well might have lost, and having a loss on your record would hurt a lot more than being unbeaten but with a weaker SOS. But you seem to want us to think about UCF's schedule as if you did play Georgia Tech, thus regarding it as stronger, even though you didn't actually run the risk of losing to them. That's bogus.

Truth is, UCF was lucky to avoid the Georgia Tech game. Because with SDSU losing last week, if you win out, you will be the NY6 representative, your SOS won't stop that so you don't need a win over Tech.

But had you played the game and lost, that would have been very damaging.

(10-17-2017 01:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

Our SOS does suck, but thanks to SDSU losing last week, as of now it doesn't matter: If we win out, we will be the only undefeated G5 school, and will surely get the NY6 bid no matter what any other G5 team does.

Now, if say we lose a game, like to Tulane this week, but then go on to win the AAC title, then yes, if we are being compared to a 1-loss SDSU team, our SOS could sink us.

But as of now, it's not a problem.

(10-17-2017 02:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

Our SOS does suck, but thanks to SDSU losing last week, as of now it doesn't matter: If we win out, we will be the only undefeated G5 school, and will surely get the NY6 bid no matter what any other G5 team does.

Now, if say we lose a game, like to Tulane this week, but then go on to win the AAC title, then yes, if we are being compared to a 1-loss SDSU team, our SOS could sink us.

But as of now, it's not a problem.

Very true. You continue to be a realistic, and educated fan. Not to mention, the woman in your avatar photo, continues to look spectacular.

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:23 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:26 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Good breakdown. I would add that SDSU has a win over an NIU team that may be a conference champ.

My opinion, Navy is in the best position as a one loss team, as they would have a late season win over ND, play Army in a marquee game, and would have wins over UCF, and Houston. SDSU and UCF would be close behind, followed by Memphis. USF would be in a tough situation if they were compared to SDSU or even Toledo as a one loss team.

If Navy beat all of those teams they would be ranked like 15th. Thats a massey composite 9th ND, 11th UCF, and 3 loss Army. Good luck to anyone who can do that.
Massey Composite says:
11 UCF (best win 30)
23 USF (best win 98)
24 SDSU (best win 16)
28 Boise State (best win 24)
30 Memphis (best win 36)
36 Navy (best win 77)
39 Toledo (best win 84)
50 SMU (best win 87)
52 Houston (best win 48)
57 CSU (best win 93)
58 Marshall (best win 99)
59 Fresno State (best win 88)
60 WMU (best win 89)
61 NIU (best win 73)
65 App State (best win 101)

Damn, USF's schedule is going to crush them if they ever get evaluated.

You guys are missing the point. USF, UCF, and Memphis are ahead of any other G5 team as of today. All 3 are ranked. They each have to play and beat multiple top 25 teams in order to win the AAC. Thier SOS over the last half of the season means whoever wins the AAC literally cannot be caught by any other G5 champ. The AAC champ (whoever it ends up being) will be piling up Top 25 wins while the rest of the G5 champs will be playing unranked teams. Game over.

You realize the rankings that matter have not come out yet, right? So your statement is false, since nobody knows what the rankings will be.

You could be right, but you don't know right now.

Also, it is not a foot race, and nobody is going to "get caught," so your use of the term "literally" is not accurate.

Yes i am sure that sdsu will be ranked ahead of the ucf, usf, and memphis when the rankings come out you realize the same type of people voting in the cfp rankings vote in the coaches poll?

His odds of beinisright are way higher than sdsu being ranked or stanford winning out.

Did you just bring english rules into a sports board discussion

You're pathetic and your little imaginary world seems to be collapsing