AP and Coaches Poll give too much consideration to the Preseason Ranking.

UCF could get to the teens and USF could sneak into Top 15

(10-14-2017 10:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  I think memphis sneaks in.

To me, this is wishful fanboy thinking. Looking at the AP poll the only teams ranked lower than #15 that lost were #19 SDSU, #24 Texas Tech and #25 Navy.

Now last week Memphis was behind West Virginia, LSU, and Texas AM in the 'others receiving votes' category. WVU beat #24 Texas Tech, Texas AM beat Florida, and LSU beat #10 Auburn. We could do the same thing for the Coaches poll, so how does Memphis get in? Doesn't compute.

Btw, UCLA, Memphis's 'big' OOC win, lost again yesterday.

(10-15-2017 01:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UCF/USF deserve to be ranked top 15 behind only the 6 undefeated's, Clemson, OU, OSUx2, WSU, USC, & Notre Dame.

Washington, Michigan, etc. do not deserve to be ranked ahead of UCF/USF based on merit.

Thing, is they do look at SOS. You have to, and while ot is great to be unbeaten, neither USF or UCF has beaten anyone worth mentioning.

(10-15-2017 05:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UCF/USF deserve to be ranked top 15 behind only the 6 undefeated's, Clemson, OU, OSUx2, WSU, USC, & Notre Dame.

Washington, Michigan, etc. do not deserve to be ranked ahead of UCF/USF based on merit.

Thing, is they do look at SOS. You have to, and while ot is great to be unbeaten, neither USF or UCF has beaten anyone worth mentioning.

You put the comma in the wrong spot....

(10-15-2017 05:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UCF/USF deserve to be ranked top 15 behind only the 6 undefeated's, Clemson, OU, OSUx2, WSU, USC, & Notre Dame.

Washington, Michigan, etc. do not deserve to be ranked ahead of UCF/USF based on merit.

Thing, is they do look at SOS. You have to, and while ot is great to be unbeaten, neither USF or UCF has beaten anyone worth mentioning.

LOL! You just got done talking about Memphis getting into the atop 25 and now you claim UCF hasn’t beat anyone? Don’t lump us in with USFs schedule.

Maryland WAS good when we beat them, Memphis is 5-1, FIU is 5-2.

Actually for that reason, UCF should certainly be the higher ranked team

(10-15-2017 05:58 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 05:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UCF/USF deserve to be ranked top 15 behind only the 6 undefeated's, Clemson, OU, OSUx2, WSU, USC, & Notre Dame.

Washington, Michigan, etc. do not deserve to be ranked ahead of UCF/USF based on merit.

Thing, is they do look at SOS. You have to, and while ot is great to be unbeaten, neither USF or UCF has beaten anyone worth mentioning.

LOL! You just got done talking about Memphis getting into the atop 25 and now you claim UCF hasn’t beat anyone? Don’t lump us in with USFs schedule.

Maryland WAS good when we beat them, Memphis is 5-1, FIU is 5-2.

Actually for that reason, UCF should certainly be the higher ranked team

Again, it proves my point: Preseason Ranking, Preseason Ranking...

I expect to see UCONN receiving votes after their big road win yesterday.

(10-15-2017 12:48 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:13 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 11:55 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  If SDSU loses I think G5 voters rally behind USF and push them to 10

USF and UCF will split the G5 vote.

Ha!

Ha ha ha! Who is laughing now?

(10-15-2017 12:50 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:45 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Would love for 4 AAC teams to sneak into the Top 25 by end of season

And next season be back to one team in the preseason polls somewhere around 20 to make room for Texas, Florida, notre dame etc

Yep. That is how cartels work.

Im most intereated in seeing if Memphis gets in this week.

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(10-15-2017 05:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  I think memphis sneaks in.

To me, this is wishful fanboy thinking. Looking at the AP poll the only teams ranked lower than #15 that lost were #19 SDSU, #24 Texas Tech and #25 Navy.

Now last week Memphis was behind West Virginia, LSU, and Texas AM in the 'others receiving votes' category. WVU beat #24 Texas Tech, Texas AM beat Florida, and LSU beat #10 Auburn. We could do the same thing for the Coaches poll, so how does Memphis get in? Doesn't compute.

Btw, UCLA, Memphis's 'big' OOC win, lost again yesterday.

Where's USF's big ooc win?

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(10-15-2017 12:48 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:13 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 11:55 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  If SDSU loses I think G5 voters rally behind USF and push them to 10

USF and UCF will split the G5 vote.

Ha!

bye bye

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(10-15-2017 06:28 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 05:40 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  I think memphis sneaks in.

To me, this is wishful fanboy thinking. Looking at the AP poll the only teams ranked lower than #15 that lost were #19 SDSU, #24 Texas Tech and #25 Navy.

Now last week Memphis was behind West Virginia, LSU, and Texas AM in the 'others receiving votes' category. WVU beat #24 Texas Tech, Texas AM beat Florida, and LSU beat #10 Auburn. We could do the same thing for the Coaches poll, so how does Memphis get in? Doesn't compute.

Btw, UCLA, Memphis's 'big' OOC win, lost again yesterday.

Where's USF's big ooc win?

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Neither team has a "big" OOC win this year.

(10-14-2017 11:47 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  The best news is that sdsu is looking like they'll lose. If this holds the ucf usf winner is almost a lock for the access bowl, provided they don't blow the ccg

If Memphis or Navy win out until champ game, AAC will get it anyways.

(10-15-2017 12:50 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:45 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Would love for 4 AAC teams to sneak into the Top 25 by end of season

And next season be back to one team in the preseason polls somewhere around 20 to make room for Texas, Florida, notre dame etc

Don't forget Tennessee.


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(10-15-2017 01:50 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:22 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Bigger question is if this conference has an undefeated will We get a shot at the playoffs?

We get a shot at the playoffs when 2 of the other P6 conferences have conf. champs with at least 2 losses, and ours is undefeated with at least 2 or 3 top 25 wins.

You have more faith than I do. UCF has a slightly better shot due to schedule (GT would have also helped), but I think a 2-loss conference champ like Washington would outrank an undefeated team from our conference.

Need a perfect storm of 2 and 3 loss champions, and I'm not sure enough teams have the OOC losses that would put them in a CCG with multiple losses.


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(10-15-2017 08:03 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:50 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:22 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Bigger question is if this conference has an undefeated will We get a shot at the playoffs?

We get a shot at the playoffs when 2 of the other P6 conferences have conf. champs with at least 2 losses, and ours is undefeated with at least 2 or 3 top 25 wins.

You have more faith than I do. UCF has a slightly better shot due to schedule (GT would have also helped), but I think a 2-loss conference champ like Washington would outrank an undefeated team from our conference.

Need a perfect storm of 2 and 3 loss champions, and I'm not sure enough teams have the OOC losses that would put them in a CCG with multiple losses.


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Teams are losing at a rate that makes it possible. Hell, with ASU and Stanford winning last night, SDSU was primed to have a shot. Alas it was not to be.

I think UCF has a decent change, but their schedule is almost as bad as USF, so that may be a limiting factor.

Nonetheless, I will be rooting for USF/UCF to get close. G5 teams need to have a chance, or else the whole thing is a sham.

(10-15-2017 08:13 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:03 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:50 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:22 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Bigger question is if this conference has an undefeated will We get a shot at the playoffs?

We get a shot at the playoffs when 2 of the other P6 conferences have conf. champs with at least 2 losses, and ours is undefeated with at least 2 or 3 top 25 wins.

You have more faith than I do. UCF has a slightly better shot due to schedule (GT would have also helped), but I think a 2-loss conference champ like Washington would outrank an undefeated team from our conference.

Need a perfect storm of 2 and 3 loss champions, and I'm not sure enough teams have the OOC losses that would put them in a CCG with multiple losses.


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Teams are losing at a rate that makes it possible. Hell, with ASU and Stanford winning last night, SDSU was primed to have a shot. Alas it was not to be.

I think UCF has a decent change, but their schedule is almost as bad as USF, so that may be a limiting factor.

Nonetheless, I will be rooting for USF/UCF to get close. G5 teams need to have a chance, or else the whole thing is a sham.

The whole thing IS a sham. I want an undefeated AAC team on a yearly basis to help showcase the sham the playoffs are.

This week's Top 25 losses:

Top 25 Losses

Arizona State 13, #5 Washington 7
Cal 37, #8 Washington St 3
LSU 27, #10 Auburn 23
Boise State 31, #19 San Diego State 14
WVU 46, #24 Texas Tech 35
Memphis 30, #25 Navy 27

(10-15-2017 05:58 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 05:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UCF/USF deserve to be ranked top 15 behind only the 6 undefeated's, Clemson, OU, OSUx2, WSU, USC, & Notre Dame.

Washington, Michigan, etc. do not deserve to be ranked ahead of UCF/USF based on merit.

Thing, is they do look at SOS. You have to, and while ot is great to be unbeaten, neither USF or UCF has beaten anyone worth mentioning.

LOL! You just got done talking about Memphis getting into the atop 25 and now you claim UCF hasn’t beat anyone? Don’t lump us in with USFs schedule.

Maryland WAS good when we beat them, Memphis is 5-1, FIU is 5-2.

Actually for that reason, UCF should certainly be the higher ranked team

What? I was explaining why Memphis won't be in today's top 25.

As for UCF vs USF, i agree that as weak as UCF's schedule is, it is tougher than USF's so i agree UCF should be ranked higher.

But the idea that Maryland was better when UCF played them is absurd.