(10-13-2017 10:59 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Arena officially out as manager. Gulati refuses to resign, but has not yet decided if he wants to run for reelection.

Twellman's mad again and is spitting fire on Sports Center. He must have been taking advice from Alexi Lalas.

Bob Bradley could be the next USA manager. Heck, he has EPL experience.

(10-13-2017 01:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:41 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 12:30 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 10:06 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Side note, the American Outlaws released a very strongly worded statement yesterday requesting Sunil Gulati resign. Not sure I expected that out of them. Most of the Fox commentating team is doing the same with the exception of Alexi Lalas, who stopped short of that. Julie Foudy's name was brought up recently as someone who might be interested in running.

Guy running the New York Cosmos requested the same thing, but considering US Soccer notoriously does not like the NASL, I don't see that going over the same way.

Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Well, we'll know a little tomorrow. Board of Directors has called an "emergency meeting" tonight, and a conference call with the Media is set for Friday. Its expected that Arena's departure will be one of the items on the agenda. Bruce by the way gave another interview today and was his usual defiant self. Deflected all the tough questions and pretended nothing was wrong at all. It's sort of like he's head of the titanic minutes after it struck an iceberg, and not worried about lowering the life boats because the ship is unsinkable.

I don't know if it occurred to anyone recently, but our next competitive game will likely be the Copa America in Brazil in June of 2019. That's a lot of friendlies. It's going to absolutely destroy our FIFA ranking. I wouldn't be shocked if we dropped to 4th ranked in CONCACAF by the time this is over.

That is disconcerting and did you see that UEFA Nations League starts after the World Cup which means no more friendlies with European teams.

Having less friendlies with European teams isnt a bad thing. More friendlies with CONMEBOL and CAF teams which provided just as good competition in many cases in more hostile environments.

Except "be more like Europe" was the mantra Tuesday night and all day Wednesday. Even in this thread. Don't forget, what happened Tuesday was that damn MLS's fault!!

(10-13-2017 01:40 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 01:23 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:41 AM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 12:30 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Well, we'll know a little tomorrow. Board of Directors has called an "emergency meeting" tonight, and a conference call with the Media is set for Friday. Its expected that Arena's departure will be one of the items on the agenda. Bruce by the way gave another interview today and was his usual defiant self. Deflected all the tough questions and pretended nothing was wrong at all. It's sort of like he's head of the titanic minutes after it struck an iceberg, and not worried about lowering the life boats because the ship is unsinkable.

I don't know if it occurred to anyone recently, but our next competitive game will likely be the Copa America in Brazil in June of 2019. That's a lot of friendlies. It's going to absolutely destroy our FIFA ranking. I wouldn't be shocked if we dropped to 4th ranked in CONCACAF by the time this is over.

That is disconcerting and did you see that UEFA Nations League starts after the World Cup which means no more friendlies with European teams.

Having less friendlies with European teams isnt a bad thing. More friendlies with CONMEBOL and CAF teams which provided just as good competition in many cases in more hostile environments.

Except "be more like Europe" was the mantra Tuesday night and all day Wednesday. Even in this thread. Don't forget, what happened Tuesday was that damn MLS's fault!!

The South American development system isn't that much different than the European system other than the amount of money involved.

(10-13-2017 09:46 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 10:06 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Side note, the American Outlaws released a very strongly worded statement yesterday requesting Sunil Gulati resign. Not sure I expected that out of them. Most of the Fox commentating team is doing the same with the exception of Alexi Lalas, who stopped short of that. Julie Foudy's name was brought up recently as someone who might be interested in running.

Guy running the New York Cosmos requested the same thing, but considering US Soccer notoriously does not like the NASL, I don't see that going over the same way.

Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Do these two leagues have an actual plan to get there? Or, as I suspect, does their plan involves a snap of the fingers?

Because I'm of the opinion nearly everyone calling for pro/rel in the US has no plan. other than a snap of the fingers to get to the pro/rel system.

I'd assume it's a simple thing called capping out the first division at say 24-28 and starting to relegate clubs while promoting clubs that earned it by merit. USL itself probably isn't far away from having a viable pro/rel setup either. Plan is called a free market where things are based on merit. Regardless of when or how it happens, it will be and is the USSF's job to make a plan and set timeline for it to happen, not independent leagues and one single entity.

(10-14-2017 02:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:46 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 10:06 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Side note, the American Outlaws released a very strongly worded statement yesterday requesting Sunil Gulati resign. Not sure I expected that out of them. Most of the Fox commentating team is doing the same with the exception of Alexi Lalas, who stopped short of that. Julie Foudy's name was brought up recently as someone who might be interested in running.

Guy running the New York Cosmos requested the same thing, but considering US Soccer notoriously does not like the NASL, I don't see that going over the same way.

Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Do these two leagues have an actual plan to get there? Or, as I suspect, does their plan involves a snap of the fingers?

Because I'm of the opinion nearly everyone calling for pro/rel in the US has no plan. other than a snap of the fingers to get to the pro/rel system.

I'd assume it's a simple thing called capping out the first division at say 24-28 and starting to relegate clubs while promoting clubs that earned it by merit. USL itself probably isn't far away from having a viable pro/rel setup either. Plan is called a free market where things are based on merit. Regardless of when or how it happens, it will be and is the USSF's job to make a plan and set timeline for it to happen, not independent leagues and one single entity.

So in other words their plan involves a mere snap of the fingers. Which is the same as having no plan.

(10-14-2017 09:04 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:46 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 10:06 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Side note, the American Outlaws released a very strongly worded statement yesterday requesting Sunil Gulati resign. Not sure I expected that out of them. Most of the Fox commentating team is doing the same with the exception of Alexi Lalas, who stopped short of that. Julie Foudy's name was brought up recently as someone who might be interested in running.

Guy running the New York Cosmos requested the same thing, but considering US Soccer notoriously does not like the NASL, I don't see that going over the same way.

Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Do these two leagues have an actual plan to get there? Or, as I suspect, does their plan involves a snap of the fingers?

Because I'm of the opinion nearly everyone calling for pro/rel in the US has no plan. other than a snap of the fingers to get to the pro/rel system.

I'd assume it's a simple thing called capping out the first division at say 24-28 and starting to relegate clubs while promoting clubs that earned it by merit. USL itself probably isn't far away from having a viable pro/rel setup either. Plan is called a free market where things are based on merit. Regardless of when or how it happens, it will be and is the USSF's job to make a plan and set timeline for it to happen, not independent leagues and one single entity.

So in other words their plan involves a mere snap of the fingers. Which is the same as having no plan.

Exactly...where's the recourse for all of the ownership groups that paid $100m check to get in when Podunk United could get in for free by winning a lower conference. You look at teams like Minnesota and Orlando, and I can guarantee they would never go for it with how much it cost them. The truth is, with all of the franchise entry fees and whatnot, it would be impossible to institute pro/rel "easily" and without pissing off a vast majority of the ownership groups in the MLS at the moment.

sucks USA won't be in the world cup...I'm not watching now.

(10-14-2017 09:04 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:46 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 10:06 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Side note, the American Outlaws released a very strongly worded statement yesterday requesting Sunil Gulati resign. Not sure I expected that out of them. Most of the Fox commentating team is doing the same with the exception of Alexi Lalas, who stopped short of that. Julie Foudy's name was brought up recently as someone who might be interested in running.

Guy running the New York Cosmos requested the same thing, but considering US Soccer notoriously does not like the NASL, I don't see that going over the same way.

Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Do these two leagues have an actual plan to get there? Or, as I suspect, does their plan involves a snap of the fingers?

Because I'm of the opinion nearly everyone calling for pro/rel in the US has no plan. other than a snap of the fingers to get to the pro/rel system.

I'd assume it's a simple thing called capping out the first division at say 24-28 and starting to relegate clubs while promoting clubs that earned it by merit. USL itself probably isn't far away from having a viable pro/rel setup either. Plan is called a free market where things are based on merit. Regardless of when or how it happens, it will be and is the USSF's job to make a plan and set timeline for it to happen, not independent leagues and one single entity.

So in other words their plan involves a mere snap of the fingers. Which is the same as having no plan.

Pretty sure he just outlined a plan, 24 top teams, everybody else divided into tiers. Top 2 teams go up, bottom two go down. This isnt rocket science, its been done in europe forever.

Boo hoo i paid a 100 million for my team, well if you spent that money on player and team development you should be fine. Player development becomes a big deal in these set ups because clubs rarely can buy a whole team to be competitive.

Player developement should be us soccer's main goal since we are limited by nationality for selection. The second goal should be over all soccer popularity to get as many people involved as possible, to give the us more players to develop.

If your hometown team can move up or be relegated the casual fan is more likely to follow, to help with homefield advantage which is big in a teams wins and losses. Which means you dont have 24 cities strongly supporting teams instead you get 60.

Good derby atmosphere between wolves and the villa on espn3 if anyone is interested

God...Kevin De Bruyne did criminal things to the Store back line today.

Pro/rel couldn't happen. MLSs owners would never go for it and USSF can't make them do it unlike the FA. MLS isn't owned and operated by the USSF like the FA operates League clubs and it can't have a say in the league rules like the FA can with the EPL.

(10-14-2017 09:08 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:04 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:59 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:46 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  Two of the larger semi-pro/amateur USASA leagues have called for his resignation and pro/rel.

Do these two leagues have an actual plan to get there? Or, as I suspect, does their plan involves a snap of the fingers?

Because I'm of the opinion nearly everyone calling for pro/rel in the US has no plan. other than a snap of the fingers to get to the pro/rel system.

I'd assume it's a simple thing called capping out the first division at say 24-28 and starting to relegate clubs while promoting clubs that earned it by merit. USL itself probably isn't far away from having a viable pro/rel setup either. Plan is called a free market where things are based on merit. Regardless of when or how it happens, it will be and is the USSF's job to make a plan and set timeline for it to happen, not independent leagues and one single entity.

So in other words their plan involves a mere snap of the fingers. Which is the same as having no plan.

Exactly...where's the recourse for all of the ownership groups that paid $100m check to get in when Podunk United could get in for free by winning a lower conference. You look at teams like Minnesota and Orlando, and I can guarantee they would never go for it with how much it cost them. The truth is, with all of the franchise entry fees and whatnot, it would be impossible to institute pro/rel "easily" and without pissing off a vast majority of the ownership groups in the MLS at the moment.

Easy enough. Have everyone up to 40 teams pay the same entrance fee. Play one season with 40 teams (round robin of 39 games) and the bottom half then is sent to the newly created MLS 2. Then each plays a H&H round robin of 38 games each season moving forward with top and bottom 3/4 teams being sent down and sent up. That way everyone who is in paid the expansion fee and no one got into MLS for free.


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In fact if you do my above suggestion the setup could be something like

Atlanta United FC
Chicago Fire
Columbus Crew FC
DC United
Montreal Impact
New England Revolution
NYC FC
NY Red Bull’s
Orlando City SC
Philly Union
Toronto FC
Colorado Rapids
FC Dallas
Houston Dynamo
La Galaxy
Minnesota United FC
Portland Timbers
Real Salt Lake
San Jose Earthquakes
Seattle Sounders FC
Sporting KC
Vancouver Whitecaps FC
LA FC
Beckham FC (or Miami FC or a merger of both)
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North Carolina FC
FC Edmonton
New York Cosmos
Indy Eleven
FC Cincinnati
Louisville City FC
Ottawa Fury FC
Phoenix Rising FC
Reno 1868 FC
Sacramento Republic FC
Saint Louis FC
San Antonio FC
Nashville SC
Las Vegas Lights FC


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(10-14-2017 01:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Pro/rel couldn't happen. MLSs owners would never go for it and USSF can't make them do it unlike the FA. MLS isn't owned and operated by the USSF like the FA operates League clubs and it can't have a say in the league rules like the FA can with the EPL.

Actually yes they do, in order to be a sanctioned fifa league they need approval from their federation, in this case ussf. Thats why the ussf decided the other leagues were tier 2 and mls was top. So ussf could really cause all kinds of problems if they wanted. The issue is the ussf pprez is on the mls' nuts. He is toast though, so i see some changes coming.

(10-14-2017 07:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 01:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Pro/rel couldn't happen. MLSs owners would never go for it and USSF can't make them do it unlike the FA. MLS isn't owned and operated by the USSF like the FA operates League clubs and it can't have a say in the league rules like the FA can with the EPL.

Actually yes they do, in order to be a sanctioned fifa league they need approval from their federation, in this case ussf. Thats why the ussf decided the other leagues were tier 2 and mls was top. So ussf could really cause all kinds of problems if they wanted. The issue is the ussf pprez is on the mls' nuts. He is toast though, so i see some changes coming.

He's not on the MLS's nuts, he's invested. Sunil is on the board of directors in SUM (a subsidiary of MLS) as well as the former president for Robert Krafts MLS franchise. SUM's CEO is Don Garber who also happens to be on the board of directors in the USSF while also commissioning the MLS. Oh, let's not forget that Sunil is close friends with Chuck Blazer...

(10-14-2017 11:25 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 07:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 01:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Pro/rel couldn't happen. MLSs owners would never go for it and USSF can't make them do it unlike the FA. MLS isn't owned and operated by the USSF like the FA operates League clubs and it can't have a say in the league rules like the FA can with the EPL.

Actually yes they do, in order to be a sanctioned fifa league they need approval from their federation, in this case ussf. Thats why the ussf decided the other leagues were tier 2 and mls was top. So ussf could really cause all kinds of problems if they wanted. The issue is the ussf pprez is on the mls' nuts. He is toast though, so i see some changes coming.

He's not on the MLS's nuts, he's invested. Sunil is on the board of directors in SUM (a subsidiary of MLS) as well as the former president for Robert Krafts MLS franchise. SUM's CEO is Don Garber who also happens to be on the board of directors in the USSF while also commissioning the MLS. Oh, let's not forget that Sunil is close friends with Chuck Blazer...

Same difference, still wouldnt be surprised to see pro/rel. Mosst of the people who have been road blocks will be gone. I'd say it will go like the poster ssid, giant round robin to sort it all out and to eliminate some legal challanges. Half stay up, half go down.

(10-15-2017 12:19 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 11:25 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 07:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 01:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Pro/rel couldn't happen. MLSs owners would never go for it and USSF can't make them do it unlike the FA. MLS isn't owned and operated by the USSF like the FA operates League clubs and it can't have a say in the league rules like the FA can with the EPL.

Actually yes they do, in order to be a sanctioned fifa league they need approval from their federation, in this case ussf. Thats why the ussf decided the other leagues were tier 2 and mls was top. So ussf could really cause all kinds of problems if they wanted. The issue is the ussf pprez is on the mls' nuts. He is toast though, so i see some changes coming.

He's not on the MLS's nuts, he's invested. Sunil is on the board of directors in SUM (a subsidiary of MLS) as well as the former president for Robert Krafts MLS franchise. SUM's CEO is Don Garber who also happens to be on the board of directors in the USSF while also commissioning the MLS. Oh, let's not forget that Sunil is close friends with Chuck Blazer...

Same difference, still wouldnt be surprised to see pro/rel. Mosst of the people who have been road blocks will be gone. I'd say it will go like the poster ssid, giant round robin to sort it all out and to eliminate some legal challanges. Half stay up, half go down.

Alright, what about the other 200+ Pro/semi-pro clubs in the United States? Should the USSF not care about the rest of its member clubs? If that is the case then we need a new federation.

Half is still giving the Ponzi scheme more money, that entry fee will have to go higher and higher with each team since the MLS is losing money every year despite being part of the tv deal with the national teams.

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US gets Paraguay tomorrow in the U17 World Cup. Might be a godsend that Colombia scored the 3rd goal against us. They get Germany as the 2nd place team in our group and then Brazil if they win that game. If we get past Paraguay we get the winner of Japan/England

(10-15-2017 03:11 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  US gets Paraguay tomorrow in the U17 World Cup. Might be a godsend that Colombia scored the 3rd goal against us. They get Germany as the 2nd place team in our group and then Brazil if they win that game. If we get past Paraguay we get the winner of Japan/England

Yeah, I would have preferred Ghana's very advantageous draw for winning the group, but third place is better than 2nd place here.

That being said, this is still a very tough match. We have not traditionally performed well against South American sides at the Youth level tournaments. Colombia knocked the U23's out of the Olympics and beat the U17's today and the U20's were knocked out by Venezuela.

Given the choices as a third place team were Paraguay, Iran, and Brazil. I'd have taken Paraguay every time.