1. USF
2. Navy
3. UCF
4. SMU
5. Tulsa
6. Memphis
7. Houston
8. Temple
9. UC
10. ECU
11. Tulane
12. UConn

(10-01-2017 10:00 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  1. USF
2. Navy
3. UCF
4. SMU
5. Tulsa
6. Memphis
7. Houston
8. Temple
9. UC
10. ECU
11. Tulane
12. UConn

your high too

tulsa? you realize they are 1-4

tulane beat a respectable army

(10-01-2017 10:05 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:00 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  1. USF
2. Navy
3. UCF
4. SMU
5. Tulsa
6. Memphis
7. Houston
8. Temple
9. UC
10. ECU
11. Tulane
12. UConn

your high too

tulsa? you realize they are 1-4

tulane beat a respectable army

Just figured if others are making stupid irrational rankings, why can't I?

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

FSU did lose their starting qb in the 1st game...

USF is 5-0 and beating teams by an avg of 24.8 points.

I am obviously a homer but I strongly believe we will win on black Friday.

The thing is these are all opinions until we play each other.

I think we can all agree USF and UCF would crush sdsu

1. USF
2. UCF
3. Memphis
4. Navy
5. Houston
6. SMU
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. Cincy
10. Tulsa
11. ECU
12. UCONN

(10-01-2017 10:10 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  1. USF
2. UCF
3. Memphis
4. Navy
5. Houston
6. SMU
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. Cincy
10. Tulsa
11. ECU
12. UCONN

lol dude...UC isn't 9th. I would have us 10-12 range

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

1. UCF/USF

3. Navy/Houston/Memphis

6. SMU

7. Tulane/UC/Temple/Tulsa

11. ECU

12. UCONN

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

BOOM! And now the thread is closed.

(10-01-2017 10:12 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:10 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  1. USF
2. UCF
3. Memphis
4. Navy
5. Houston
6. SMU
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. Cincy
10. Tulsa
11. ECU
12. UCONN

lol dude...UC isn't 9th. I would have us 10-12 range

Fans tend to magnify the flaws on their team after a difficult defeat.

Cincy's RPI is still 9th in the AAC and they have won more games than Tulsa, ECU, and UConn in the young season.

But if self-loathing is your thing, I will not get in the way...

UCF (would have obliterated GT if they had played)
USF
Navy
SMU
Memphis
Houston
Tulane

Everyone else

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Late November Judgement Day is coming. Here is hoping both teams come in unbeaten.

Go Bulls

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(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

I like this guy.

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

I was thinking exactly this when I read that.

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Any rating system is a work in progress at this time of year making it crazy to use as gospel. Some teams have played as little as 3 games while other have played 5. Assuming both those teams are undefeated, the team that played 3 games played only 60% of the team that played 5 games. The team that played 4 games only played 80% of the games. This type of disparity makes the system useless at this time of year.

Further, the team that played more distributed more losses to the Massey system then the team that played less. Once you get to 11 or 12 games, then the Massey system may make more sense. Then if a team played 1 or 2 less games, the percentage difference is much smaller then 60% or 80%.

In week 5, Massey is apples and oranges statistically.

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

arizona is 2-2 and barely lost to top25 utah...not saying arizona is good but stop acting like they are chop liver

and tcu would beat usf if the game was played early in the season...sjsu was up 16-0 on usf..usf has struggled and needed bounce back..bouncing back from sjsu and tcu are different things

we played temple away..and houston offense isnt built to score a lot by design but win the time of possession battle..applewhite has said countless time teams who throw the ball too much and have high scores dont win championships.. note houston was up 20-0 on temple before ed oliver and dillon birden were both pulled for minor injuries on simple precaution..and we just played scared to secure our lead and run clock and leave with our win

tech is 3-1 and lost to top 15 ok state on a last minute drive..and tech lost its best rceiver mid game ..that Illinois comparison is absurd..illinois barely beat a bunch of bad teams this comment is innaccurate...

smu "but has played one good team in TCU" ark state will finish top 3 in the sunbelt, if not win it and unt just upset usm in a blowout...both will end up 7/8 win teams..stop acting like they were pure trash..and smu blew them out

memphis has played a way harder schedule than usf...if memphis had played usf schedule youd be saying that its hard to put usf and memphis in the same circle...usf struggled with bad teams early. we have no clue what theyll look like vs good teams

navy is undefeated and a proven historical track record, it doesnt matter who they played..we know what navy can do..we have no clue if either ucf or usf can keep it up the whole season. we are basing ucf dominance off Maryland and memphis who was 7-5 last year and lost something like 5 defensive starters to injury

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(10-01-2017 10:47 AM)pesik Wrote:  arizona is 2-2 and barely lost to top25 utah...not saying arizona is good but stop acting like they are chop liver

and tcu would beat usf if the game was played early in the season...sjsu was up 16-0 on usf..usf has struggled and needed bounce back..bouncing back from sjsu and tcu are different things

we played temple away..and houston offense isnt built to score a lot by design but win the time of possession battle..applewhite has said countless time teams who throw the ball too much and have high scores dont win championships.. note houston was up 20-0 on temple before ed oliver and dillon birden were both pulled for minor injuries on simple precaution..and we just played scared to secure our lead and run clock and leave with our win

tech is 3-1 and lost to top 15 ok state on a last minute drive..and tech lost its best rceiver mid game ..that Illinois comparison is absurd..illinois barely beat a bunch of bad teams this comment is innaccurate...

smu "but has played one good team in TCU" ark state will finish top 3 in the sunbelt, if not win it and unt just upset usm in a blowout...both will end up 7/8 win teams..stop acting like they were pure trash..and smu blew them out

memphis has played a way harder schedule than usf...if memphis had played usf schedule youd be saying that its hard to put usf and memphis in the same circle...usf struggled with bad teams early. we have no clue what theyll look like vs good teams

navy is undefeated and a proven historical track record, it doesnt matter who they played..we know what navy can do..we have no clue if either ucf or usf can keep it up the whole season. we are basing ucf dominance off Maryland and memphis who was 7-5 last year and lost something like 5 defensive starters to injury

I love when arguments bring up injuries, as if players never get hurt. Injuries are part of the game and can happen to anyone. You play with the players you have. If your backups are good enough, great, if not so be it.

I also, love how posters in one thread trash "G4" yet in other threads pretend that they are not. Which is it? Is a "G4" team that comes in 3rd or wins the Sun Belt better then the entire middle or bottom of the AAC or not?

Temple lost to 3 teams with a combined record of 12 and 2. Maybe if they didn't played those tough teams they'd be 5 and 0 also. Who believes that?

You have to beat the teams on your schedule, nothing short of that. Houston and Memphis have losses. USF, UCF, and Navy don't. See my point?

(10-01-2017 10:44 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Any rating system is a work in progress at this time of year making it crazy to use as gospel. Some teams have played as little as 3 games while other have played 5. Assuming both those teams are undefeated, the team that played 3 games played only 60% of the team that played 5 games. The team that played 4 games only played 80% of the games. This type of disparity makes the system useless at this time of year.

Further, the team that played more distributed more losses to the Massey system then the team that played less. Once you get to 11 or 12 games, then the Massey system may make more sense. Then if a team played 1 or 2 less games, the percentage difference is much smaller then 60% or 80%.

In week 5, Massey is apples and oranges statistically.

You don't math much, do you?
I was using the COMPOSITE rankings which Massey compiles on his site. An appropriate response to that is that I'm flawed to use the composite on Sunday morning when it is only compiling 14 different rankings; it will be better value later in the week.
As far as 4-5 games being a smaller sample than 12 games, well duh. But the results to date are the sample we have.

Given that, I challenge you to find ANY SoS calculation that has USFs SoS better than Navy's.
You will have better luck finding a data driven ranking that has Illinois higher than Tulane and Cincy,but its a mixed bag.