(09-19-2017 04:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Basically ECU, Temple, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, and Colorado State are essentially treated like equals by P5 schools. USF, UCF, UConn, and Boise are pretty close, too.

Marshall has NC State and Pitt in the next couple year, and has played host to Va Tech, WVU (2x), Kansas State, Purdue, and Louisville in recent times. I think Marshall's P5 home list almost eclipses most of the G5 schools.

Quote:Temple and USF play off campus in NFL stadiums.

Which makes one think: Wouldn't that make non-neutral, but in-state stadium sites marked as a home game count? Like if Toledo hosted an SEC team in where the Cleveland Browns play... or like in (2007?) WMU hosting Illinois where the Detroit Lions play.

(09-19-2017 06:14 PM)megadrone Wrote:  One factor -- stadium capacity (most of the AAC schools) or the ability to go to a larger venue (Cincinnati)

UTEP and UTSA are ones that hosted P5.
Rice and Southern Miss hosted P5s before.

If it is stadium capacity? Why don't they play at Tennessee State or Jackson State? Tennessee State shares their stadium with the Titans of the NFL. Jackson State have a stadium capacity more than 30,000.

(09-19-2017 10:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Temple and USF play off campus in NFL stadiums.

Which makes one think: Wouldn't that make non-neutral, but in-state stadium sites marked as a home game count? Like if Toledo hosted an SEC team in where the Cleveland Browns play... or like in (2007?) WMU hosting Illinois where the Detroit Lions play.

It's not about whether it's one campus or not, it's about how often you play there. You can designate a stadium you don't normally play in as your home stadium for one game, otherwise it has to be where half or more of your home games are played. I recall at least one year if not two where UMass had 3 games on campus and 3 games in Gillette (the Pats stadium near Boston), so both were their home stadium.

I have mad respect for P5 schools that play at a G5 stadium. Louisville does this and basically Tom Jurich's reasoning for doing it is "remember where you came from." He constantly says this to remind people how difficult it was for Louisville when we were in Conference USA to schedule teams from the so called power conferences. Don't forget your roots is his saying

My takeaway from all this is that P5 at G5 isn't as rare as some would make it out to be. That, and it isn't the label, it's the school (and the location) that drives this.

SunBelt

AppSt: Wake Forrest, North Carolina
Coastal Carolina: Kansas
Georgia State: North Carolina, Vanderbilt
Texas State: Baylor, Arizona State
Troy: NC State, Miss St
Arkansas State: Iowa State

A lot of the P5 vs G5 matchups on the road have something to do with recruiting, not all, but a lot of them do. For example VT playing at ECU and ODU is getting them close to the Tidewater area. Folks will want to play at Georgia State to be in Atlanta. On and on.

(09-19-2017 04:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  P5 schools don't like playing at G5 schools. But some G5 schools are able to get home games against major P5 schools. I thought it would be interesting to see which G5 schools the P5s don't mind playing against on an equal basis.

List of future P5 opponents at home, ranked by conference:

American
ECU: Virginia Tech (x4), West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina
Temple: Rutgers (x2), Miami, Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Maryland, Duke
Cincinnati: UCLA, Nebraska, Indiana, Pitt
Houston: Arizona, Washington State, Kansas, Texas Tech
Memphis: Ole Miss, UCLA, Mississippi State, Missouri
UCF: North Carolina, Stanford, Pitt
USF: Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Texas (2 for 1)
UConn: Illinois, Indiana, Boston College, Tennessee (announced but not scheduled yet)
Tulane: Mississippi State, Duke, Wake Forest, Ole Miss (2 for 1), Kansas State (2 for 1), Oklahoma (2 for 1)
SMU: TCU (2 for 1)

Mountain West:
San Diego State: UCLA (x2), Arizona State (x2), Arizona, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford
Hawai'i (although they've got the 13th game advantage): Arizona (x2), Oregon, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt
Colorado State: Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona, Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, Arkansas
Boise: Oklahoma State, Michigan State, Oregon State
Wyoming: Utah, Missouri
Fresno: Minnesota, Oregon State
Nevada: Oregon State, Purdue
UNLV: Iowa State, Arizona State
Air Force: Colorado
Utah State: Washington State
SJSU: Cal

MAC
Ohio: Iowa State, Kansas
NIU: Utah, Boston College
Toledo: Miami (FL)
Western Michigan: Syracuse
Miami (OH): Missouri
Bowling Green: Maryland
Central Michigan: Kansas
Eastern Michigan: Kentucky (2 for 1?)

No home games against P5s: Tulsa, New Mexico, Buffalo, Ball State, Kent State, Akron

Basically ECU, Temple, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, and Colorado State are essentially treated like equals by P5 schools. USF, UCF, UConn, and Boise are pretty close, too.

Weird to title it "G5 schools" then omit 40% of G5.

(09-19-2017 11:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UTEP and UTSA are ones that hosted P5.
Rice and Southern Miss hosted P5s before.

Unfortunately for USM that was before.. someone did the run down on our schedule.

Our next P5 Home game isn't CURRENTLY scheduled until 2024 (Mississippi State) I think.. (that's 7 years we're going to be suffering with a less than stellar OOC home games (Jax St, ULM, Alcorn State, S. Alabama, Liberty, Tulane) .. and 2019 has 3 frickin' road game (@Bama, @MissSt, @Troy).

Hopefully we'll be able to squeeze someone in 2020.. but that's still an eternity (3 years), unless we can convince @Troy to bump their 2019 game back a couple of years.. or else we're waiting til 2020 for a possible decent P5 home game (if our athletic dept doesn't screw that one up)

(09-19-2017 04:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  P5 schools don't like playing at G5 schools. But some G5 schools are able to get home games against major P5 schools. I thought it would be interesting to see which G5 schools the P5s don't mind playing against on an equal basis.

List of future P5 opponents at home, ranked by conference:

American
ECU: Virginia Tech (x4), West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina
Temple: Rutgers (x2), Miami, Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Maryland, Duke
Cincinnati: UCLA, Nebraska, Indiana, Pitt
Houston: Arizona, Washington State, Kansas, Texas Tech
Memphis: Ole Miss, UCLA, Mississippi State, Missouri
UCF: North Carolina, Stanford, Pitt
USF: Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Texas (2 for 1)
UConn: Illinois, Indiana, Boston College, Tennessee (announced but not scheduled yet)
Tulane: Mississippi State, Duke, Wake Forest, Ole Miss (2 for 1), Kansas State (2 for 1), Oklahoma (2 for 1)
SMU: TCU (2 for 1)

Mountain West:
San Diego State: UCLA (x2), Arizona State (x2), Arizona, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford
Hawai'i (although they've got the 13th game advantage): Arizona (x2), Oregon, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt
Colorado State: Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona, Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, Arkansas
Boise: Oklahoma State, Michigan State, Oregon State
Wyoming: Utah, Missouri
Fresno: Minnesota, Oregon State
Nevada: Oregon State, Purdue
UNLV: Iowa State, Arizona State
Air Force: Colorado
Utah State: Washington State
SJSU: Cal

MAC
Ohio: Iowa State, Kansas
NIU: Utah, Boston College
Toledo: Miami (FL)
Western Michigan: Syracuse
Miami (OH): Missouri
Bowling Green: Maryland
Central Michigan: Kansas
Eastern Michigan: Kentucky (2 for 1?)

No home games against P5s: Tulsa, New Mexico, Buffalo, Ball State, Kent State, Akron

Basically ECU, Temple, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, and Colorado State are essentially treated like equals by P5 schools. USF, UCF, UConn, and Boise are pretty close, too.

It's also important to note how full future OOC schedules are. Many schools don't have full OOC schedules, yet. That would likely impact these numbers - especially seeing as many games are already scheduled through 2030. I would also like to know how many of these P5 schools will cancel last minute. It will happen. That being said, those 11 + BYU would probably be the next 12.

(09-20-2017 03:32 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 10:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Temple and USF play off campus in NFL stadiums.

Which makes one think: Wouldn't that make non-neutral, but in-state stadium sites marked as a home game count? Like if Toledo hosted an SEC team in where the Cleveland Browns play... or like in (2007?) WMU hosting Illinois where the Detroit Lions play.

It's not about whether it's one campus or not, it's about how often you play there. You can designate a stadium you don't normally play in as your home stadium for one game, otherwise it has to be where half or more of your home games are played. I recall at least one year if not two where UMass had 3 games on campus and 3 games in Gillette (the Pats stadium near Boston), so both were their home stadium.

Billybobby has been posting odd comments about Temple for years particularly about them playing at the Linc. Apparently, it is not Temple's home field as it is off campus and is an NFL stadium. Someone should tell the Temple athletic department, the AAC, the TV networks showing the games and the football team itself as they keep showing up at the Linc and all home games keep taking place there (and have been since 2003).

(09-19-2017 05:10 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  1.) What about CUSA and the Sun Belt?

2.) This is kind of an unfair look because it only looks at what's scheduled in the future. Many of the MAC schools have hosted the P5 within the last couple seasons, including this season. I can think of P5 teams off my head that have visited Toledo, CMU, WMU, and Ohio recently. Also a lot of MAC schools don't schedule 10 years in advance like those listed do.

Correct...Miami (OH) has hosted Iowa, Northwestern, Syracuse as a few that come to mind fairly recently

(09-19-2017 05:05 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 04:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  P5 schools don't like playing at G5 schools. But some G5 schools are able to get home games against major P5 schools. I thought it would be interesting to see which G5 schools the P5s don't mind playing against on an equal basis.

List of future P5 opponents at home, ranked by conference:

American
ECU: Virginia Tech (x4), West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina
Temple: Rutgers (x2), Miami, Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Maryland, Duke
Cincinnati: UCLA, Nebraska, Indiana, Pitt
Houston: Arizona, Washington State, Kansas, Texas Tech
Memphis: Ole Miss, UCLA, Mississippi State, Missouri
UCF: North Carolina, Stanford, Pitt
USF: Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Texas (2 for 1)
UConn: Illinois, Indiana, Boston College, Tennessee (announced but not scheduled yet)
Tulane: Mississippi State, Duke, Wake Forest, Ole Miss (2 for 1), Kansas State (2 for 1), Oklahoma (2 for 1)
SMU: TCU (2 for 1)

Mountain West:
San Diego State: UCLA (x2), Arizona State (x2), Arizona, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford
Hawai'i (although they've got the 13th game advantage): Arizona (x2), Oregon, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt
Colorado State: Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona, Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, Arkansas
Boise: Oklahoma State, Michigan State, Oregon State
Wyoming: Utah, Missouri
Fresno: Minnesota, Oregon State
Nevada: Oregon State, Purdue
UNLV: Iowa State, Arizona State
Air Force: Colorado
Utah State: Washington State
SJSU: Cal

MAC
Ohio: Iowa State, Kansas
NIU: Utah, Boston College
Toledo: Miami (FL)
Western Michigan: Syracuse
Miami (OH): Missouri
Bowling Green: Maryland
Central Michigan: Kansas
Eastern Michigan: Kentucky (2 for 1?)

No home games against P5s: Tulsa, New Mexico, Buffalo, Ball State, Kent State, Akron

Basically ECU, Temple, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, and Colorado State are essentially treated like equals by P5 schools. USF, UCF, UConn, and Boise are pretty close, too.

Add Virginia (at Boise 9/22/17) and Florida State (at Boise 9/19/20) as having scheduled future H/H with Boise State.

We also have a H&H v NC st and we are wrapping up our h&H with Cuse next year.

(09-20-2017 10:10 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  Billybobby has been posting odd comments about Temple for years particularly about them playing at the Linc. Apparently, it is not Temple's home field as it is off campus and is an NFL stadium. Someone should tell the Temple athletic department, the AAC, the TV networks showing the games and the football team itself as they keep showing up at the Linc and all home games keep taking place there (and have been since 2003).

Anybody can have whatever peculiar idea they want about what is a "real" home field, but the NCAA rulebook rule is what matters. On/off campus doesn't matter. How far away it is doesn't matter. Primary or secondary tenant ... to NFL, to MLS, hell, to Major League Lacrosse ... doesn't matter. Half or more of the games you host played at the stadium, it is your home stadium.

Don't even have to dive into the bylaws for this one ... it's a frequently asked question, so the answer is in the FAQ:

Quote: Q. For purposes of satisfying the scheduling requirement, what criteria must be met in order to consider a contest as a home contest?
A. A contest shall be considered a home contest if it is played in the stadium in which an institution conducts at least 50 percent of its home contests. [Bylaw 20.9.7.2]

Q. Is it permissible for an institution to use a home contest played in a stadium in which an institution does not conduct at least 50 percent of its home contests to satisfy the scheduling requirement?
A. An institution may use one home contest against a Football Bowl Subdivision member conducted at a neutral site to satisfy the home-game requirement. [Bylaw 20.9.7.2]

NIU has following home games in addition to those listed on OP:

BYU 2020(Not P5 but a major program)
Maryland 2021
Vanderbilt 2022

(09-19-2017 04:55 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  *edit* I didn't include C-USA and Sun Belt schools because I have limited time and I'm not a fan of any of those teams. Feel free to discuss them at your leisure */edit*

P5 schools don't like playing at G5 schools. But some G5 schools are able to get home games against major P5 schools. I thought it would be interesting to see which G5 schools the P5s don't mind playing against on an equal basis.

List of future P5 opponents at home, ranked by conference:

American
ECU: Virginia Tech (x4), West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina
Temple: Rutgers (x2), Miami, Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Maryland, Duke
Cincinnati: UCLA, Nebraska, Indiana, Pitt
Houston: Arizona, Washington State, Kansas, Texas Tech
Memphis: Ole Miss, UCLA, Mississippi State, Missouri
UCF: North Carolina, Stanford, Pitt
USF: Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Texas (2 for 1)
UConn: Illinois, Indiana, Boston College, Tennessee (announced but not scheduled yet)
Tulane: Mississippi State, Duke, Wake Forest, Ole Miss (2 for 1), Kansas State (2 for 1), Oklahoma (2 for 1)
SMU: TCU (2 for 1)

Mountain West:
San Diego State: UCLA (x2), Arizona State (x2), Arizona, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State, Stanford
Hawai'i (although they've got the 13th game advantage): Arizona (x2), Oregon, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Vanderbilt
Colorado State: Colorado, Texas Tech, Arizona, Vanderbilt, Texas Tech, Arkansas
Boise: Oklahoma State, Michigan State, Oregon State
Wyoming: Utah, Missouri
Fresno: Minnesota, Oregon State
Nevada: Oregon State, Purdue
UNLV: Iowa State, Arizona State
Air Force: Colorado
Utah State: Washington State
SJSU: Cal

MAC
Ohio: Iowa State, Kansas
NIU: Utah, Boston College
Toledo: Miami (FL)
Western Michigan: Syracuse
Miami (OH): Missouri
Bowling Green: Maryland
Central Michigan: Kansas
Eastern Michigan: Kentucky (2 for 1?)

No home games against P5s: Tulsa, New Mexico, Buffalo, Ball State, Kent State, Akron

Basically ECU, Temple, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, San Diego State, and Colorado State are essentially treated like equals by P5 schools. USF, UCF, UConn, and Boise are pretty close, too.

wait....I thought you guys were all P6??

LA Tech has hosted Mississippi State x2

(09-20-2017 06:27 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  I have mad respect for P5 schools that play at a G5 stadium. Louisville does this and basically Tom Jurich's reasoning for doing it is "remember where you came from." He constantly says this to remind people how difficult it was for Louisville when we were in Conference USA to schedule teams from the so called power conferences. Don't forget your roots is his saying

TJ is a hypocrite on this then. He refuses to schedule a game at his REAL Roots (Northern Arizona) in basketball, but will play at Grand Canyon U for his buddy Jerry Colangelo.

1980 Baylor played at Lamar. A record crowd of 18,500 with a stadium at 16,000 capacity.