Anybody watching this? I remember a lot of what was going on back then. It looks very informative.

I started wattching the replay of part 1 Sunday night, but I fell asleep. I was so exhausted I forgot to set the DVR to watch what I missed.

I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

Don't know about the show, but Ken Burns is not a conservative.

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

Next chapter in Hillary's blame tour, Vietnam?

(09-19-2017 06:43 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

Next chapter in Hillary's blame tour, Vietnam?

I want what Mach is smokin'....it's gotta be off the chain

You don't think that? Nixon blaming the media for losing the war? The liberal elites? I speaka da truth.

(09-19-2017 06:55 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don't think that? Nixon blaming the media for losing the war? The liberal elites? I speaka da truth.

No. I do not.

I'm not going to dig into cherry picked semantics....

you know me better than that....

I'll simply sum it up this way.....the VW was a waste of time, money, resources, and loss of life that divided a nation.....

the war on "communism" was by design as another attempt at a control mechanism.....

what they dippos didn't realize, was what got jfk elected (and what is sprialing out of control today), is the same thing that caused Nixon's demise.....

and don't kid yourself.....I despised Nixon too.....creating the war on drugs was 10x worse than the VW.....

Watched episode two. Seems pretty fair. Really like the interviews with all the vietnamese.

(09-19-2017 06:55 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don't think that? Nixon blaming the media for losing the war? The liberal elites? I speaka da truth.

Liberals then questioned the motives of the government. Now, liberals call anyone who questions the motives of the government a racist, extremist, terrorist, conspiracy-theorist nutjob.

(09-19-2017 06:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  Don't know about the show, but Ken Burns is not a conservative.

This, x10,000

And probably 10,000 books already written on the general topic of what America did or tried to do in Vietnam from 1950-75, or what the reactions to that was in the US.

(09-19-2017 08:14 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Watched episode two. Seems pretty fair. Really like the interviews with all the vietnamese.

It should get better tonight, I like the interviews with all sides, North and South and our men in arms over there.

(09-19-2017 08:18 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 06:55 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You don't think that? Nixon blaming the media for losing the war? The liberal elites? I speaka da truth.

Liberals then questioned the motives of the government. Now, liberals call anyone who questions the motives of the government a racist, extremist, terrorist, conspiracy-theorist nutjob.

I don't think that it's "anyone who questions the motives of the government".

I think it's anyone that questions the motives of the current government and the attempts to change it into something that works for the people

But, you left out white supremacist and nazi. Shame on you, you're deplorable and irredeemable.

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

You should try actually watching instead of reading some *******'s point of view. They covered the OSS being with Minh when he read to the Viet Minh from Jefferson at the end of WWII. They covered his pleas with Truman to intervene with the French, only his letters were found undelivered in a declassified CIA file decades later. They covered French atrocities. And they covered the attitudes of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations regarding the war. And this was all in the first episode.

As one who lived through the era, who lost friends in the war, had a uncle imprisoned for 7 years (5 in Hanoi) and had a father who served there flying his 100 missions and then working as a liaison to the CIA for the remainder of his tour, I can state clearly that into the third episode which I am watching tonight, that it has been even handed in presenting the events and why they were misinterpreted by our leadership. He has been particularly clear about why McNamara misunderstood what was actually happening because he wanted a bean counting approach to analyzing our position in the war. Literally hundreds of military officers had nothing to do but keep a score card for each engagement. How many killed, wounded, captured, how many weapons and what kind were captured were the emphasis of our activities, and nothing on the attitudes and support levels of the South Vietnamese people was passed along.

And having had my emphasis in Far Eastern Political Studies and as an ardent anti-communist I find the depiction of the events to be fair and accurate.

(09-19-2017 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

You should try actually watching instead of reading some *******'s point of view. They covered the OSS being with Minh when he read to the Viet Minh from Jefferson at the end of WWII. They covered his pleas with Truman to intervene with the French, only his letters were found undelivered in a declassified CIA file decades later. They covered French atrocities. And they covered the attitudes of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations regarding the war. And this was all in the first episode.

As one who lived through the era, who lost friends in the war, had a uncle imprisoned for 7 years (5 in Hanoi) and had a father who served there flying his 100 missions and then working as a liaison to the CIA for the remainder of his tour, I can state clearly that into the third episode which I am watching tonight, that it has been even handed in presenting the events and why they were misinterpreted by our leadership. He has been particularly clear about why McNamara misunderstood what was actually happening because he wanted a bean counting approach to analyzing our position in the war. Literally hundreds of military officers had nothing to do but keep a score card for each engagement. How many killed, wounded, captured, how many weapons and what kind were captured were the emphasis of our activities, and nothing on the attitudes and support levels of the South Vietnamese people was passed along.

And having had my emphasis in Far Eastern Political Studies and as an ardent anti-communist I find the depiction of the events to be fair and accurate.

You should back off. Mach gets really confused by facts if they aren't provided by Huffington Post.

You might trigger him.

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

I think that's more a commentary on the point of view of your sources than upon the point of view of the film. To a far left reviewer, anything looks like a conservative point of view. I doubt very seriously that Ken Burns is going to present anything from a conservative point of view, and my left-leaning friends who have watched this say that this is not presented from that point of view.

(09-19-2017 07:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 05:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I've been reading that it's slanted to the conservative point of view. No mention of the French using Vietnam to exploit the rubber. No mention if HoChiMinh being our ally in WWII. The seeds of our modern political dissent lies in Vietnam.

You should try actually watching instead of reading some *******'s point of view. They covered the OSS being with Minh when he read to the Viet Minh from Jefferson at the end of WWII. They covered his pleas with Truman to intervene with the French, only his letters were found undelivered in a declassified CIA file decades later. They covered French atrocities. And they covered the attitudes of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations regarding the war. And this was all in the first episode.

As one who lived through the era, who lost friends in the war, had a uncle imprisoned for 7 years (5 in Hanoi) and had a father who served there flying his 100 missions and then working as a liaison to the CIA for the remainder of his tour, I can state clearly that into the third episode which I am watching tonight, that it has been even handed in presenting the events and why they were misinterpreted by our leadership. He has been particularly clear about why McNamara misunderstood what was actually happening because he wanted a bean counting approach to analyzing our position in the war. Literally hundreds of military officers had nothing to do but keep a score card for each engagement. How many killed, wounded, captured, how many weapons and what kind were captured were the emphasis of our activities, and nothing on the attitudes and support levels of the South Vietnamese people was passed along.

And having had my emphasis in Far Eastern Political Studies and as an ardent anti-communist I find the depiction of the events to be fair and accurate.

Sounds about right. I liked the comment tonight about our soldiers in WWII being the Men and the Hero and they were. At the same time our Boys in Vietnam were doing the same thing. I thank you for your Family's Service.

I've got it on the DVR, worth a watch?

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I watched episode one last night and in my humble opinion the article I read was bunk. They did mention it in the first episode. I think they showed the motivations of the French as colonial. If they spent more time on that it would invite people to say it had a left wing bias. I really enjoyed episode 1. I can't wait to start 2 tonight.

(09-18-2017 08:44 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Anybody watching this? I remember a lot of what was going on back then. It looks very informative.

I have been catching it here and there. Very well done from what I have see.