(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:49 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:27 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Lets get back on topic... lawsuits are coming!

For?

A lot of people flooded due to the release of water from the Barker and Addicks Reservoir.

Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

(09-07-2017 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 05:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Nice deflection!

Still waiting for collusion proof.

Wait a sec... I forgot. That's was 3 tries ago at subversion by the left.

Wow...this has to be the ironic post of the year. You lie about illegal voting. I call you on that lie. You can't back it up. So you deflect three times in total, to the dems, the dossier, and to Russia, and then have the stones to accuse ME of deflection?

You sir are now eligible for the right-wing tomfoolery hall of fame. Well done!

jhfc

I don't take kindly to someone calling me a liar.

I can provide link after link after link concerning voter fraud. You know very well that it happens.

The left's argument against voter fraud used to be that it doesn't happen.

After proof was provided, the left revised its argument. Now they say there is no large-scale voter fraud. Of course, that in itself is trying to prove a negative. We won't know that the statement "there is no large-scale voter fraud" is false until we see evidence of large-scale voter fraud.



As far as that goes, the intent of my post was to reference the left's incessant tactic of pushing fake news. They are so rabid they knowingly make up false claims to use as their proof.


Did she get 3 million more votes? Who cares? She didn't get enough electoral votes.

Thankfully.

NO

The argument over voter ID is that it makes it more likely that millions of people will not vote which is many, many times more than the amount of illegal votes.

The the ends doesn't justify the means.

Prove it

He will as soon as UMBG proves that 3 million voted illegally in the 2016 election.

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:49 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  For?

A lot of people flooded due to the release of water from the Barker and Addicks Reservoir.

Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:49 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  A lot of people flooded due to the release of water from the Barker and Addicks Reservoir.

Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

Seems like the govt was damned if they do damned if they don't.

Just from some legal opinions I have heard regarding similar lawsuits filed against local governments and utility companies after our flooding in 2015 I doubt these lawsuits are going to go very far, especially if the people suing built where they were after the construction of the dams in question.

I suspect people in my neck of the woods may file a class action lawsuit against the developer or LID company. The levees were supposed to hold up to 59-60 feet but some of it flooded well before the Brazos crested (which it did at about 55 feet). I'm not sure they'll be successful but I think the lawsuits are coming. Because of the levees, we're not in a flood plain and virtually no one has flood insurance.

(09-07-2017 02:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Just from some legal opinions I have heard regarding similar lawsuits filed against local governments and utility companies after our flooding in 2015 I doubt these lawsuits are going to go very far, especially if the people suing built where they were after the construction of the dams in question.

I agree.

(09-07-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

Seems like the govt was damned if they do damned if they don't.

once upon, common sense law prevailed......who knows now.....

having said that, there's no ******* way this floats past the appellate....pardon the pun

#simplyanotherambulance

there's a few posters (HoD for one) that may be able to shed some light on this topic....

(09-07-2017 03:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Just from some legal opinions I have heard regarding similar lawsuits filed against local governments and utility companies after our flooding in 2015 I doubt these lawsuits are going to go very far, especially if the people suing built where they were after the construction of the dams in question.

I agree.

Federal Flood Control Act of 1928 stopped the Katrina Levee Breach lawsuits against Army Corps of Engineers filed in the US District Court, but Louisiana Plaintiffs did obtain some relief in a suit brought in the US Court of Claims and Class Action status was obtained.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/katrina-.../171771322

(09-08-2017 12:43 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 03:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Just from some legal opinions I have heard regarding similar lawsuits filed against local governments and utility companies after our flooding in 2015 I doubt these lawsuits are going to go very far, especially if the people suing built where they were after the construction of the dams in question.

I agree.

Federal Flood Control Act of 1928 stopped the Katrina Levee Breach lawsuits against Army Corps of Engineers filed in the US District Court, but Louisiana Plaintiffs did obtain some relief in a suit brought in the US Court of Claims and Class Action status was obtained.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/katrina-.../171771322

This is going to be moving into a class action lawsuits

(09-08-2017 01:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:43 PM)WoodlandsOwl Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 03:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Just from some legal opinions I have heard regarding similar lawsuits filed against local governments and utility companies after our flooding in 2015 I doubt these lawsuits are going to go very far, especially if the people suing built where they were after the construction of the dams in question.

I agree.

Federal Flood Control Act of 1928 stopped the Katrina Levee Breach lawsuits against Army Corps of Engineers filed in the US District Court, but Louisiana Plaintiffs did obtain some relief in a suit brought in the US Court of Claims and Class Action status was obtained.

http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/katrina-.../171771322

This is going to be moving into a class action lawsuits

I don't think that will result in much.

The Federal Government, just like the states, puts a pot of money out there every year and allow people to make certain claims to get some money out of it.

It's often times first come first serve and they grant money until they run out and if there is no money left in the pot too bad.

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:49 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  A lot of people flooded due to the release of water from the Barker and Addicks Reservoir.

Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

First responders file suit over Arkema Plant.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/first-r...ey-9773248

(09-08-2017 06:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ah...seems like a waste of time IMO. It's basically a one-off disaster. You can't expect normal things to happen during something like this.

Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

First responders file suit over Arkema Plant.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/first-r...ey-9773248

Sounds to me like the failure is on the side of the incident commander from the public safety side for not doing proper air monitoring prior to putting personnel out downwind without proper respiratory protection. Just from their own statement I can see a clear OSHA violation for the lack of air monitoring.

Honestly heads should roll on the public safety side of this because that's a core fundamental practice in a hazardous material response.

And that doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the agency having primary responsibility should have had a response plan in place to deal with this facility so they should have been well aware of what they were dealing with and the hazards posed.

It's shocking to me that this could happen somewhere that has a world class hazardous materials training staff and facility two hours away in College Station. Absolutely unreal.

(09-07-2017 01:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 05:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Wow...this has to be the ironic post of the year. You lie about illegal voting. I call you on that lie. You can't back it up. So you deflect three times in total, to the dems, the dossier, and to Russia, and then have the stones to accuse ME of deflection?

You sir are now eligible for the right-wing tomfoolery hall of fame. Well done!

jhfc

I don't take kindly to someone calling me a liar.

I can provide link after link after link concerning voter fraud. You know very well that it happens.

The left's argument against voter fraud used to be that it doesn't happen.

After proof was provided, the left revised its argument. Now they say there is no large-scale voter fraud. Of course, that in itself is trying to prove a negative. We won't know that the statement "there is no large-scale voter fraud" is false until we see evidence of large-scale voter fraud.



As far as that goes, the intent of my post was to reference the left's incessant tactic of pushing fake news. They are so rabid they knowingly make up false claims to use as their proof.


Did she get 3 million more votes? Who cares? She didn't get enough electoral votes.

Thankfully.

NO

The argument over voter ID is that it makes it more likely that millions of people will not vote which is many, many times more than the amount of illegal votes.

The the ends doesn't justify the means.

Prove it

He will as soon as UMBG proves that 3 million voted illegally in the 2016 election.

Prove they didn't.

(09-07-2017 08:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

Seems like the govt was damned if they do damned if they don't.

once upon, common sense law prevailed......who knows now.....

having said that, there's no ******* way this floats past the appellate....pardon the pun

#simplyanotherambulance

there's a few posters (HoD for one) that may be able to shed some light on this topic....

I dont see how this goes anywhere. The reason there was a controlled release was because the models indicated there was going to be an overflow. By opening the gates ahead of time in a controlled fashion, not only was it safer for the dam, but it also allowed the Army Corp to mitigate the degree of down stream flooding. In other words---the houses that flooded down stream would have flooded anyway during the overflow. By opening the gates early, the Corp was able to prevent the overflow from being a completely uncontrolled event where the bayou would have risen even higher---but for a for shorter period of time---as water from the overflow flooded even more downstream homes.

Also, its worth noting that there are homes in the back portion of the reservoir pool. The chance of the pool getting so high that these homes are inundated is less than 1-in-500 (500 year floodplain). Thats bad, because it means those homes arent required to get flood insurance. As the reservoir became full, those homes flooded as well. The higher the reservoir got, the more homes in the rear portion of the reservoir flooded. Interestingly, some of these homes that are closest to the reservoir dam have flooded multiple times. Thus, the reality is some of those reservoir homes have been "sacrificed" multiple times for the downstream homes that were flooded this time.

Bottom line, when the reservoir nears capacity, its a true no win choice for the Army Corps of Engineers--somebody is going to flood no matter what they do. Either there will be downstream flooding or flooding at the extreme rear of the reservoir. All they can do is mitigate the damage while carefully preserving the integrity of the reservoir structure.

Deaths confirmed or suspected over 70. One apparently in a hotel elevator.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...181752.php

(09-08-2017 06:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 06:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 12:54 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Inverse Condemnation Rights

Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

First responders file suit over Arkema Plant.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/first-r...ey-9773248

Sounds to me like the failure is on the side of the incident commander from the public safety side for not doing proper air monitoring prior to putting personnel out downwind without proper respiratory protection. Just from their own statement I can see a clear OSHA violation for the lack of air monitoring.

Honestly heads should roll on the public safety side of this because that's a core fundamental practice in a hazardous material response.

And that doesn't even begin to cover the fact that the agency having primary responsibility should have had a response plan in place to deal with this facility so they should have been well aware of what they were dealing with and the hazards posed.

It's shocking to me that this could happen somewhere that has a world class hazardous materials training staff and facility two hours away in College Station. Absolutely unreal.

It's also amazing considering that the Houston area has a plethora of would class dangerous chemical plants.

(09-09-2017 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  Deaths confirmed or suspected over 70. One apparently in a hotel elevator.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...181752.php

Pretty significant RIP.

(09-09-2017 12:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 08:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-07-2017 01:25 PM)VA49er Wrote:  Never heard of that so I looked it up. Dang, a class action lawsuit has already been filed. Not sure how it will go, but interesting topic.

Attorneys file class-action lawsuit over Addicks, Barker releases

and there are more coming... including the Arkema Plant

Seems like the govt was damned if they do damned if they don't.

once upon, common sense law prevailed......who knows now.....

having said that, there's no ******* way this floats past the appellate....pardon the pun

#simplyanotherambulance

there's a few posters (HoD for one) that may be able to shed some light on this topic....

I dont see how this goes anywhere. The reason there was a controlled release was because the models indicated there was going to be an overflow. By opening the gates ahead of time in a controlled fashion, not only was it safer for the dam, but it also allowed the Army Corp to mitigate the degree of down stream flooding. In other words---the houses that flooded down stream would have flooded anyway during the overflow. By opening the gates early, the Corp was able to prevent the overflow from being a completely uncontrolled event where the bayou would have risen even higher---but for a for shorter period of time---as water from the overflow flooded even more downstream homes.

Also, its worth noting that there are homes in the back portion of the reservoir pool. The chance of the pool getting so high that these homes are inundated is less than 1-in-500 (500 year floodplain). Thats bad, because it means those homes arent required to get flood insurance. As the reservoir became full, those homes flooded as well. The higher the reservoir got, the more homes in the rear portion of the reservoir flooded. Interestingly, some of these homes that are closest to the reservoir dam have flooded multiple times. Thus, the reality is some of those reservoir homes have been "sacrificed" multiple times for the downstream homes that were flooded this time.

Bottom line, when the reservoir nears capacity, its a true no win choice for the Army Corps of Engineers--somebody is going to flood no matter what they do. Either there will be downstream flooding or flooding at the extreme rear of the reservoir. All they can do is mitigate the damage while carefully preserving the integrity of the reservoir structure.

There were plans to modify both reservoirs back in the 90's-- dig them deeper, expand all the bayous, etc. Once again "too much money" for the suggested solutions. Brays Bayou has had a significant amount of work done, but other waterways also need it as well.

If you live in Harris County, you pay a separate property tax assessment to the Harris County Flood Control District. As of today its 0.028290 per $100 valuation. If you live in the City of Houston you pay a "water runoff fee" as part of your monthly water/sewer bill. How does the City of Houston spend these funds? I bet they just go into the City General Fund.

After Harvey the Harris County Commissioners Court will have the support of every County Taxpayer if they want to significantly increase the HCFCD tax rate. Then HCFCD just has to develop a Comprehensive Plan on Flood Control, inform the Taxpayers, and issue the Bonds. It will pass any Election. That's almost a given. Who wouldn't vote for "Flood Control Bonds?"

Its time to work on the upstream issues. The tributaries flowing into Addicks and Barker need ponds and widening.

Spring Creek and Cypress Creek should also be a priory. Montgomery County should contribute significantly on the work on Spring Creek.

(09-09-2017 12:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  Deaths confirmed or suspected over 70. One apparently in a hotel elevator.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/...181752.php

During Allison someone died in the BOA Building in a similar way.