(08-28-2017 04:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Once again dude, here's the problem...the same one you always have. I. DID. NOT. ASK. YOU. You had not posted in the thread yet. I was referring to those above me who took the figures as fact and ran with them.
Once again, dude... here's the problem.... this is a public forum and you posted a comment. If you'd like to PM people and ask them, feel free.
What does that have to do with the fact that what I said about it was true and what you've said about it is a lie?
Quote:What you were supposed to find in the article was the lack of any supporting documentation to support the claims made by the author of that piece.
Of course you know this because you're smart...at least you and Owl keep telling us this. Instead, you choose to be obtuse, as usual.
How is showing you a direct link to a DHS website and testimony before congress that says exactly what they claim it says, in direct conflict with your statement here, 'lacking any supporting documentation'?
I realize that you WANT me to find what you think is there, but it seems that YOU didn't click on the links like I did.
I think your intellectual inferiority complex is showing that when i certainly haven't claimed to be especially smart in this thread (or anywhere else that i recall recently), you feel you need to try and claim I have....
and owl hasn't commented at all... in a thread where you try and chastise me for 'not talking to me', you bring him in. 'Do as I say, not as I do' much?
I45 did a reasonable job of making your case, but even with his I'd note the following:
(08-28-2017 11:24 AM)I45owl Wrote: (08-25-2017 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote: Shockingly high crime numbers by illegal immigrants. First sounds a little high, but maybe so....
1) 95% of arrest warrants in Los Angeles are for illegal immigrants.
The author does not do a responsible job of backing up her stats. The one she leads off with seems to be a recurring theme in emails that have circulated for nearly 15 years, and she just throws a link to the FBI's crime report as a citation - that seems like an act of pure laziness. One explanation I've seen about that statistic is that outstanding warrants are for those who cannot be located... they may have returned to their country of origin or simply evaded arrest because they can't be located. That's a far cry from what the author implies - that 95% of murders in Los Angeles are done by illegal immigrants.
opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2007/04/may_day_mythbus.html
Quote:"Fact" 2: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. LAT citations: May 15, 2005 — "According to Heather MacDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95% of the hundreds of outstanding homicide warrants (and 60% of outstanding felony warrants) in L.A. are for illegal immigrants." Similar citations: January 19, 2004 Factual basis: An outstanding warrant is quite a different beast than a regular warrant, so this "fact" left out the key word. We did some more checking on the outstanding warrants point itself. MacDonald stated this in a 2004 City Journal article, and in testimony before the House of Representatives in spring 2005, noting that this came to 1,200-1,500 warrants. One LAPD officer cited the same factoid in the National Review earlier this year, saying that it's specific to "the first half of 2004". But Jane Robison, press secretary for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, told us that the D.A. does not keep track of this number; a representative with Detective Headquarters said the same.
The author doesn't imply that 95% of murders are committed by illegals. He says 95% of arrest warrants in LA are for illegals.
As I45 notes, one might INFER that from what he says, but that's not what the author claims.... and I45 explains why this could very well be true.... and it DOES mean that people came here illegally and committed murder and we can't find them to prosecute them and that is a problem.
This is precisely why I said that statistics can appear to be at odds and 'neither would be lying'.
How exactly is an outstanding warrant different than a regular warrant, except that all warrants are regular and only SOME of them remain outstanding?
That could also be taken to imply that none of the 'regular' but no longer outstanding warrants involved illegals. I'm not saying you implied that, but someone could infer it.
It seems to me the statement as written (according to your interpretation) is accurate.... if you read it and not what isn't there.
Question...
If 50 illegals commit murder and 5 are given warrants that are executed and 950 people here legally (including aliens) commit murder and 945 are executed warrants... such that now 1000 warrants were executed and 50 remain outstanding... thus 90% of the outstanding warrants are for illegals.... *close enough to the supposed reality for conversation... doesn't that imply that the ability for illegals to move back and forth across the border keeps people from getting justice that they seem to get very often with people here legally?
Why are we arguing over trivialities and ignoring that the overwhelming number of 'outstanding warrants' for serious crimes are for people who shouldn't have been here in the first place and now we can't find? Regardless of how you look at it, that's a problem.
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Shockingly high crime numbers by illegal immigrants
I don't think that's the rationale you really want to go by, is it? 
I don't think that's the rationale you really want to go by, is it? 
