(07-11-2017 10:29 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:23 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:20 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  The key to tournament attendance is having the tournament site reasonable driving distance from the schools with the largest travelling fanbase. The site should be halfway between Wichita and Memphis for any western location. Fayetteville Arkansas? Bud Walton arena seats 20k. Little Rock has a nice 18k arena.


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You need to get out of your MVC mindset with this neutral site business. Nothing prevents you from going to neutral site St. Louis to attend their tourney for old times sake. The AAC isn't going to hold its tourney outside of its member cities anytime soon. No one in OKC would care about it and Fayetteville or Little Rock would make the AAC a laughingstock.

If you want it in Wichita, bid on it. That's the way it's done.

Tell me again which Big 12 team is located in Kansas City?
Which ACC team is in NYC?
Which Pac12 team is in Vegas?

Those darn mid-majors.

Also, pretty sure Wichita did bid on it .. same way they bid and got the NCAA tournament first 2 rounds ...

Those conferences have many large fanbases and make a lot more sense geographically than this one. Apples and oranges.

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The only team that doesn't make sense geographically is ECU. ECU is in a basketball-loving state, and is in a conference that is basketball-centric as well... but ECU doesn't make any effort at all to participate on a high-major level.

ECU would make more geographical sense in CUSA where you have Charlotte, ODU, and your rival Marshall. You also have conference expectations that are more closely aligned with Pirates basketball.

"Moving the tournament around is small-time"
"Keeping the tournament in one place is small-time"
"Having the tournament in a conference member's home city or arena is small-time"

Let's put these ideas to rest...

Here are the power conference tournament locations from the last 3 years, along with the names of any league members who reside in that city or metropolitan area:

2015:

ACC: Greensboro
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big 12: Kansas City
Big Ten: Chicago (Northwestern is in the suburbs)
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville

2016:

ACC: Washington DC
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Indianapolis
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

2017:

ACC: Brooklyn
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Washington DC (University of Maryland is in the suburbs)
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

In the past 10 years, the ACC tournament has also been held in Atlanta twice (Georgia Tech). Also, up until 2013, the Pac 10/12 tournament was regularly held in Los Angeles (UCLA and USC).

As you can see, the ACC and Big Ten like to move their tournament around quite a bit. The Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC tend to stay in the same spot for quite a while. And the Big East has always had their tournament at Madison Square Garden, which happens to be the home court of St. John's. All of the power conference have recently had or currently have their tournaments in a conference member's home city.

Moving the tournament around, keeping it stationary, or having it in a conference member's home city or even home arena does not make it small-time. The proof is in the facts above. The only thing that makes our tournament small-time is poor attendance. Therefore, the tournament needs to be wherever attendance is greatest. End of story.

Also, the idea of having quarterfinal games at the higher seed's home court is a terrible idea. That in fact would make our tournament small-time, as only small-time conferences resort to it.

With the exception of D.C. and Maryland (maybe, I'm just guessing), those locations didn't and won't give a clear home court advantage to one of the schools. Sticking the tournament in Wichita, Memphis, or Hartford does. If the location were Nawlins I don't think anyone would complain about Tulane getting a home court advantage.

(07-12-2017 12:20 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  "Moving the tournament around is small-time"
"Keeping the tournament in one place is small-time"
"Having the tournament in a conference member's home city or arena is small-time"

Let's put these ideas to rest...

Here are the power conference tournament locations from the last 3 years, along with the names of any league members who reside in that city or metropolitan area:

2015:

ACC: Greensboro
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big 12: Kansas City
Big Ten: Chicago (Northwestern is in the suburbs)
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville

2016:

ACC: Washington DC
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Indianapolis
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

2017:

ACC: Brooklyn
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Washington DC (University of Maryland is in the suburbs)
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

In the past 10 years, the ACC tournament has also been held in Atlanta twice (Georgia Tech). Also, up until 2013, the Pac 10/12 tournament was regularly held in Los Angeles (UCLA and USC).

As you can see, the ACC and Big Ten like to move their tournament around quite a bit. The Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC tend to stay in the same spot for quite a while. And the Big East has always had their tournament at Madison Square Garden, which happens to be the home court of St. John's. All of the power conference have recently had or currently have their tournaments in a conference member's home city.

Moving the tournament around, keeping it stationary, or having it in a conference member's home city or even home arena does not make it small-time. The proof is in the facts above. The only thing that makes our tournament small-time is poor attendance. Therefore, the tournament needs to be wherever attendance is greatest. End of story.

Also, the idea of having quarterfinal games at the higher seed's home court is a terrible idea. That in fact would make our tournament small-time, as only small-time conferences resort to it.

In one paragraph you say have the tournament wherever attendance is greatest. In another you say don't have it at home courts. What if attendance is highest at the home courts for the quarter finals? The American does not currently have large traveling fan bases. Very few Temple, ECU, UCF, Cincinnati and USF fans will travel to Tulsa or Memphis or OKC or Wichita or New Orleans for a tournament and the opposite is also true. So how do you propose to deliver higher attendance?

(07-12-2017 09:30 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:20 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  "Moving the tournament around is small-time"
"Keeping the tournament in one place is small-time"
"Having the tournament in a conference member's home city or arena is small-time"

Let's put these ideas to rest...

Here are the power conference tournament locations from the last 3 years, along with the names of any league members who reside in that city or metropolitan area:

2015:

ACC: Greensboro
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big 12: Kansas City
Big Ten: Chicago (Northwestern is in the suburbs)
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville

2016:

ACC: Washington DC
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Indianapolis
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

2017:

ACC: Brooklyn
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Washington DC (University of Maryland is in the suburbs)
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

In the past 10 years, the ACC tournament has also been held in Atlanta twice (Georgia Tech). Also, up until 2013, the Pac 10/12 tournament was regularly held in Los Angeles (UCLA and USC).

As you can see, the ACC and Big Ten like to move their tournament around quite a bit. The Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC tend to stay in the same spot for quite a while. And the Big East has always had their tournament at Madison Square Garden, which happens to be the home court of St. John's. All of the power conference have recently had or currently have their tournaments in a conference member's home city.

Moving the tournament around, keeping it stationary, or having it in a conference member's home city or even home arena does not make it small-time. The proof is in the facts above. The only thing that makes our tournament small-time is poor attendance. Therefore, the tournament needs to be wherever attendance is greatest. End of story.

Also, the idea of having quarterfinal games at the higher seed's home court is a terrible idea. That in fact would make our tournament small-time, as only small-time conferences resort to it.

In one paragraph you say have the tournament wherever attendance is greatest. In another you say don't have it at home courts. What if attendance is highest at the home courts for the quarter finals? The American does not currently have large traveling fan bases. Very few Temple, ECU, UCF, Cincinnati and USF fans will travel to Tulsa or Memphis or OKC or Wichita or New Orleans for a tournament and the opposite is also true. So how do you propose to deliver higher attendance?

I just disagree with you. I can see rotating the tournament for a west, middle, and east location (3 places providing the locations support the tournament and it reasonably creates butts in seats), and there are one or two other options that may work. However, imo, having the tournament in places where people don't attend, and having the beginning of the tournament at home locations for quarterfinals are non-starters. This does scream small time. I think that we should see how Florida does this year, and try Memphis next year. Tulsa, Dallas, Wichita, and others may be worth a look. One of the reasons that the MVC tournament was a success was that the city did get behind it relatively well from a corporate point of view and exposure in the newspaper was quite good for a middle of the road, small conference. If one of these cities gets behind the tournament with publicity, community/corporate support, we need to stay there for a while.

(07-11-2017 03:00 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 02:47 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:23 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:20 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  The key to tournament attendance is having the tournament site reasonable driving distance from the schools with the largest travelling fanbase. The site should be halfway between Wichita and Memphis for any western location. Fayetteville Arkansas? Bud Walton arena seats 20k. Little Rock has a nice 18k arena.


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You need to get out of your MVC mindset with this neutral site business. Nothing prevents you from going to neutral site St. Louis to attend their tourney for old times sake. The AAC isn't going to hold its tourney outside of its member cities anytime soon. No one in OKC would care about it and Fayetteville or Little Rock would make the AAC a laughingstock.

If you want it in Wichita, bid on it. That's the way it's done.

Tell me again which Big 12 team is located in Kansas City?
Which ACC team is in NYC?
Which Pac12 team is in Vegas?

Those darn mid-majors.

Also, pretty sure Wichita did bid on it .. same way they bid and got the NCAA tournament first 2 rounds ...

You have been in a conference--the MVC-- for 70 yrs that has its tourney in a neutral site. I don't care what conference Wichita came from, it appears that's what WSU fans expect and are accustomed to, hence the "mindset".

I doubt seriously if Wichita bid on the 2019 tourney since those are usually taken several years in advance.

You can try to play big-time/small-time all you want. The generally accepted national narrative is that small-time conferences play in the arenas of their members, and big-time conferences play in 'neutral' arenas. It's not like WSU fans didn't realize there was basketball being played outside of the MVC the last 70 years...

Wichita didn't join the ACC, it joined the AAC, a conference that has been together all of 4 years now and has little tradition or history. The neutral site v. member city tournament site issue has been batted around for years on this board with the general consensus, with the recent exception of WSU fans, being that a neutral site would draw even fewer fans than a member city and I doubt seriously any neutral city would even bother bidding on it.

(07-12-2017 10:31 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 03:00 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 02:47 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:23 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  You need to get out of your MVC mindset with this neutral site business. Nothing prevents you from going to neutral site St. Louis to attend their tourney for old times sake. The AAC isn't going to hold its tourney outside of its member cities anytime soon. No one in OKC would care about it and Fayetteville or Little Rock would make the AAC a laughingstock.

If you want it in Wichita, bid on it. That's the way it's done.

Tell me again which Big 12 team is located in Kansas City?
Which ACC team is in NYC?
Which Pac12 team is in Vegas?

Those darn mid-majors.

Also, pretty sure Wichita did bid on it .. same way they bid and got the NCAA tournament first 2 rounds ...

You have been in a conference--the MVC-- for 70 yrs that has its tourney in a neutral site. I don't care what conference Wichita came from, it appears that's what WSU fans expect and are accustomed to, hence the "mindset".

I doubt seriously if Wichita bid on the 2019 tourney since those are usually taken several years in advance.

You can try to play big-time/small-time all you want. The generally accepted national narrative is that small-time conferences play in the arenas of their members, and big-time conferences play in 'neutral' arenas. It's not like WSU fans didn't realize there was basketball being played outside of the MVC the last 70 years...

Wichita didn't join the ACC, it joined the AAC, a conference that has been together all of 4 years now and has little tradition or history. The neutral site v. member city tournament site issue has been batted around for years on this board with the general consensus, with the recent exception of WSU fans, being that a neutral site would draw even fewer fans than a member city and I doubt seriously any neutral city would even bother bidding on it.

There is a difference between holding the event in a member city and holding the event in a member's home arena. I am not particularly opposed to holding the tournament in member cities, though I think it should probably float around to accommodate several geographies if that is the direction they go.

(07-12-2017 10:35 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:31 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 03:00 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 02:47 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Tell me again which Big 12 team is located in Kansas City?
Which ACC team is in NYC?
Which Pac12 team is in Vegas?

Those darn mid-majors.

Also, pretty sure Wichita did bid on it .. same way they bid and got the NCAA tournament first 2 rounds ...

You have been in a conference--the MVC-- for 70 yrs that has its tourney in a neutral site. I don't care what conference Wichita came from, it appears that's what WSU fans expect and are accustomed to, hence the "mindset".

I doubt seriously if Wichita bid on the 2019 tourney since those are usually taken several years in advance.

You can try to play big-time/small-time all you want. The generally accepted national narrative is that small-time conferences play in the arenas of their members, and big-time conferences play in 'neutral' arenas. It's not like WSU fans didn't realize there was basketball being played outside of the MVC the last 70 years...

Wichita didn't join the ACC, it joined the AAC, a conference that has been together all of 4 years now and has little tradition or history. The neutral site v. member city tournament site issue has been batted around for years on this board with the general consensus, with the recent exception of WSU fans, being that a neutral site would draw even fewer fans than a member city and I doubt seriously any neutral city would even bother bidding on it.

There is a difference between holding the event in a member city and holding the event in a member's home arena. I am not particularly opposed to holding the tournament in member cities, though I think it should probably float around to accommodate several geographies if that is the direction they go.

I don't really see a difference. We would have had the same attendance numbers/"home-court advantage" regardless of whether it was held at the XL Center, Gampel, or anywhere else in Connecticut. I'm about certain it'd be the same way with Koch and Intrust.

(07-12-2017 09:47 AM)Shockit Wrote:  One of the reasons that the MVC tournament was a success was that the city did get behind it relatively well from a corporate point of view and exposure in the newspaper was quite good for a middle of the road, small conference. If one of these cities gets behind the tournament with publicity, community/corporate support, we need to stay there for a while.

Why assume that the previous cities didn't get behind the tourney like St. Louis does with the MVC? I can't speak for Hartford or Orlando but for the only tournament I went to in Memphis, there was plenty of corporate support (you don't get the bid without it) and media interest. St. Louis was a success because it was an easy drive for almost all members. The nearest school to Memphis is Tulane at 390 miles.

**** it! You win! We tried to be fair. Put it in Wichita and we'll break all records in tournament attendance. That is a guarantee. Wichita would embrace the tournament like no other because the town isn't exactly Las Vegas. Our city is no slouch though; fans would have plenty of places to shop and eat and the new airport is quaint. Wichita would roll out the red carpet and the IBA is very nice. Wichita hosts and we can guarantee 15k for several of the games with above-average attendance for others (non-WSU).


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You know what? I just thought of something... even though I'd love to see the tournament in Wichita, maybe Tulsa/OKC is the right choice. Here's my thinking: In Wichita, Shocker fans would be able to pick and choose the games they wanted to watch because they'd be able to go home whenever they wanted. If the game was held in Tulsa/OKC, I guarantee you there would be at least 8k Shocker fans making the trip, perhaps 10k if we were in the hunt for a championship. In a foreign city, Shocker fans would be more apt to watch more AAC teams' games because they couldn't just slip in and out of their homes or regular schedules whenever they wanted. In essence, they'd be held hostage by the event.

Memphis is just too damn far to take advantage of the full Shocker effect. And I apologize to the Flagship and our other eastern brethren, you guys had your chance to support the conference tournament already. Let the new guy and the western states have a crack at it. We won't disappoint you.


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Put it in Memphis and keep it there. It's the simplest solution. Don't like it WSU? Too bad.

(07-12-2017 09:30 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:20 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  "Moving the tournament around is small-time"
"Keeping the tournament in one place is small-time"
"Having the tournament in a conference member's home city or arena is small-time"

Let's put these ideas to rest...

Here are the power conference tournament locations from the last 3 years, along with the names of any league members who reside in that city or metropolitan area:

2015:

ACC: Greensboro
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big 12: Kansas City
Big Ten: Chicago (Northwestern is in the suburbs)
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville

2016:

ACC: Washington DC
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Indianapolis
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

2017:

ACC: Brooklyn
Big East: NYC (St. John's)
Big Ten: Washington DC (University of Maryland is in the suburbs)
Big 12: Kansas City
Pac 12: Las Vegas
SEC: Nashville (Vanderbilt)

In the past 10 years, the ACC tournament has also been held in Atlanta twice (Georgia Tech). Also, up until 2013, the Pac 10/12 tournament was regularly held in Los Angeles (UCLA and USC).

As you can see, the ACC and Big Ten like to move their tournament around quite a bit. The Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC tend to stay in the same spot for quite a while. And the Big East has always had their tournament at Madison Square Garden, which happens to be the home court of St. John's. All of the power conference have recently had or currently have their tournaments in a conference member's home city.

Moving the tournament around, keeping it stationary, or having it in a conference member's home city or even home arena does not make it small-time. The proof is in the facts above. The only thing that makes our tournament small-time is poor attendance. Therefore, the tournament needs to be wherever attendance is greatest. End of story.

Also, the idea of having quarterfinal games at the higher seed's home court is a terrible idea. That in fact would make our tournament small-time, as only small-time conferences resort to it.

In one paragraph you say have the tournament wherever attendance is greatest. In another you say don't have it at home courts. What if attendance is highest at the home courts for the quarter finals? The American does not currently have large traveling fan bases. Very few Temple, ECU, UCF, Cincinnati and USF fans will travel to Tulsa or Memphis or OKC or Wichita or New Orleans for a tournament and the opposite is also true. So how do you propose to deliver higher attendance?

I was referring to an earlier suggestion about having only the semifinals and finals in a central location, with the earlier games being played at the higher seed's home court. I don't mind if the whole tournament is on an AAC team's home court, as is the case with Memphis. I just don't want to go the low-major route of not having all the tournament games in one places. Sorry for the confusion.

(07-11-2017 11:46 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:10 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:30 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Memphis is the best option IMO. Also, the poster who suggestion Tulsa, I really don't get that. I would prefer a weekend in Memphis, Philly, NOLA, Houston, Dallas or Orlando before Tulsa. All these cities have NBA arenas and provide much more entertaining options.

Also, the only benefit of having Tulane in the conference is NOLA. Not taking advantage of that is like having UNLV and not having Vegas host the tournament.

Except UNLV has a good basketball program and a large fanbase.

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What's an ECU fan doing in a thread about hoop?

doesn't mean I have no knowledge of it. I grew up rooting for an ACC school (not UNC) and prefer basketball tbqh.

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(07-12-2017 11:23 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Put it in Memphis and keep it there. It's the simplest solution. Don't like it WSU? Too bad.

Too bad the world doesn't revolve around Connecticut.

(07-11-2017 11:52 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:20 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Yes we struggle to bring fans to tournaments. Have looked at a map of this league? On top of the geography issues several schools have "commuter" backgrounds or their fans just dgaf about basketball.

Huh? Have you looked at maps of other leagues? Most conferences are spread out.

The AAC has more traditional basketball schools than the Pac 12.
The conference is just at the disadvantage of not being together near as long. We haven't had the chance to develop yearly routines as fans.

Dude of course they're spread out. All of those have a solid CORE and MUCH bigger fanbases. That's not hard to understand.

Look at the proximity of AZ, AZ St, USC, UCLA and Cal to Vegas.

Look at the proximity of UK, Vandy, GA and the MS and AL schools to Nashville.

Common sense.




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(07-12-2017 12:01 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:29 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:23 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:20 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  The key to tournament attendance is having the tournament site reasonable driving distance from the schools with the largest travelling fanbase. The site should be halfway between Wichita and Memphis for any western location. Fayetteville Arkansas? Bud Walton arena seats 20k. Little Rock has a nice 18k arena.


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You need to get out of your MVC mindset with this neutral site business. Nothing prevents you from going to neutral site St. Louis to attend their tourney for old times sake. The AAC isn't going to hold its tourney outside of its member cities anytime soon. No one in OKC would care about it and Fayetteville or Little Rock would make the AAC a laughingstock.

If you want it in Wichita, bid on it. That's the way it's done.

Tell me again which Big 12 team is located in Kansas City?
Which ACC team is in NYC?
Which Pac12 team is in Vegas?

Those darn mid-majors.

Also, pretty sure Wichita did bid on it .. same way they bid and got the NCAA tournament first 2 rounds ...

Those conferences have many large fanbases and make a lot more sense geographically than this one. Apples and oranges.

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The only team that doesn't make sense geographically is ECU. ECU is in a basketball-loving state, and is in a conference that is basketball-centric as well... but ECU doesn't make any effort at all to participate on a high-major level.

ECU would make more geographical sense in CUSA where you have Charlotte, ODU, and your rival Marshall. You also have conference expectations that are more closely aligned with Pirates basketball.

Can't disagree with any of what you said. ECU hoops is an embarrassment to the AAC. None of that has anything to do with what I've posted regarding tourney location.

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(07-12-2017 12:36 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:52 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:20 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Yes we struggle to bring fans to tournaments. Have looked at a map of this league? On top of the geography issues several schools have "commuter" backgrounds or their fans just dgaf about basketball.

Huh? Have you looked at maps of other leagues? Most conferences are spread out.

The AAC has more traditional basketball schools than the Pac 12.
The conference is just at the disadvantage of not being together near as long. We haven't had the chance to develop yearly routines as fans.

Dude of course they're spread out. All of those have a solid CORE and MUCH bigger fanbases. That's not hard to understand.

Look at the proximity of AZ, AZ St, USC, UCLA and Cal to Vegas.

Look at the proximity of UK, Vandy, GA and the MS and AL schools to Nashville.

Common sense.




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There are plenty of SEC and Pac 12 schools with smaller basketball fanbases than AAC schools.

Speaking in generalities is not your strong suit.

(07-12-2017 12:33 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:46 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 10:10 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(07-10-2017 03:30 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Memphis is the best option IMO. Also, the poster who suggestion Tulsa, I really don't get that. I would prefer a weekend in Memphis, Philly, NOLA, Houston, Dallas or Orlando before Tulsa. All these cities have NBA arenas and provide much more entertaining options.

Also, the only benefit of having Tulane in the conference is NOLA. Not taking advantage of that is like having UNLV and not having Vegas host the tournament.

Except UNLV has a good basketball program and a large fanbase.

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What's an ECU fan doing in a thread about hoop?

doesn't mean I have no knowledge of it. I grew up rooting for an ACC school (not UNC) and prefer basketball tbqh.

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You've gotta admit that an ECU fan in this discussion, bringing up geography and basketball, is a little weird considering you left a conference that was more closely aligned with your basketball aspirations and it has geographic rivals all around ECU.

(07-12-2017 01:53 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  There are plenty of SEC and Pac 12 schools with smaller basketball fanbases than AAC schools.

Speaking in generalities is not your strong suit.

Yeah, I guess if you're comparing Memphis and Wichita State to the lowest attendance numbers in the SEC.

How's this for generalities?

SEC schools distance to Nashville (average attendance)
Vandy = 0 miles (11K)
UTK = 170 miles (14K)
UK = 180 miles (23K)
Bama = 247 miles (13K)
Ole Miss = 258 miles (8K)
Ms St = 298 miles (7K)
AU = 301 miles (8K)
UGA = 305 miles (7K)

Avg Distance (Crowd) = 220 miles (10K)

AAC schools distance to Memphis (average attendance)
Memphis = 0 miles (12K)
Tulane = 393 miles (2K)
Tulsa = 403 miles (5K)
SMU = 453 miles (7K)
Cincy = 483 miles (9K)
Houston = 574 miles (4K)
Wichita = 578 miles (11K)
UCF = 758 miles (5K)

Avgance Dist (Crowd) = 455 miles (7K)


Note that ALL of those SEC schools are closer than the next closest school to Memphis. And having the tournament in Memphis is our best case scenario when it comes to drawing a crowd.

(07-12-2017 11:23 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Put it in Memphis and keep it there. It's the simplest solution. Don't like it WSU? Too bad.

I'm glad you took time out of your busy schedule of not supporting the conference tournament in your own backyard to come down from on high to pass judgment.

Truly, we would be lost without you.