(05-19-2017 09:30 AM)chess Wrote:  UIC (University of Illinois-Chicago) is the school that is growing (29,000(?) students). NIU was at 25,000 before the state's finances really started impacting the universities. NIU is around 20,000 today.

The school that will be expanding is UIS (University of Illinois-Springfield). The school was a graduate school. It now is a four-year university.

NIU is located in Dekalb. When NIU was started, the school was supposed to be located in Rockford. Rockford turned down the university being located in the city. Rockford is struggling. A new university could be proposed and located in Rockford. The school could take over the entire downtown area and be named UIR (University of Illinois-Rockford).

So- Northeastern Illinois University (located in Chicago) should absorb Chicago State and a new research university should be created in Rockford (my proposal).

UIC will be the state research university in Chicago. NEIU will be the state university in Chicago. NIU will be the state university for northern Illinois and the surrounding Chicago suburbs. UIR (proposed by me) will be the new urban research university located in the city of Rockford.

Was born in Rockford and never knew about them turning down NIU. What kind of city turns down a four-year state university within city limits? Looking at Wikipedia it looks like NIU was founded in 1895 so I guess some anti-intellectual backlash at the time could've been very possible.

Illinois would've a been perfect state to establish a university like my alma mater of Miami a century or two ago as a smaller, undergrad-focused public school of 15-20K students in a rural town not too far from Chicago's suburbs. UIUC is definitely a better school than Ohio State (which was actually founded after Miami and Ohio U) so maybe this hypothetical college wouldn't be at the level Miami is now since we probably benefited from OSU's long-standing open admissions policy, but it would've been a popular option along with the likes of Iowa and IU. Today the state's best hope is probably that the other publics each specialize in certain programs to emerge as a good alternative to UIUC, like NIU for accounting. But with the state's budget woes, even those long-term prospects are dicey.

(05-20-2017 12:23 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  Maybe he dropped out because HE sucks!

There was a lot of sucking going on back then at Chicago st when Kanye West went there. There's still a lot of sucking going on around there and with him at the nut house. More so with him. Kanye West SUCKS!!'

(05-20-2017 11:15 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:30 AM)chess Wrote:  UIC (University of Illinois-Chicago) is the school that is growing (29,000(?) students). NIU was at 25,000 before the state's finances really started impacting the universities. NIU is around 20,000 today.

The school that will be expanding is UIS (University of Illinois-Springfield). The school was a graduate school. It now is a four-year university.

NIU is located in Dekalb. When NIU was started, the school was supposed to be located in Rockford. Rockford turned down the university being located in the city. Rockford is struggling. A new university could be proposed and located in Rockford. The school could take over the entire downtown area and be named UIR (University of Illinois-Rockford).

So- Northeastern Illinois University (located in Chicago) should absorb Chicago State and a new research university should be created in Rockford (my proposal).

UIC will be the state research university in Chicago. NEIU will be the state university in Chicago. NIU will be the state university for northern Illinois and the surrounding Chicago suburbs. UIR (proposed by me) will be the new urban research university located in the city of Rockford.

Was born in Rockford and never knew about them turning down NIU. What kind of city turns down a four-year state university within city limits? Looking at Wikipedia it looks like NIU was founded in 1895 so I guess some anti-intellectual backlash at the time could've been very possible.

Illinois would've a been perfect state to establish a university like my alma mater of Miami a century or two ago as a smaller, undergrad-focused public school of 15-20K students in a rural town not too far from Chicago's suburbs. UIUC is definitely a better school than Ohio State (which was actually founded after Miami and Ohio U) so maybe this hypothetical college wouldn't be at the level Miami is now since we probably benefited from OSU's long-standing open admissions policy, but it would've been a popular option along with the likes of Iowa and IU. Today the state's best hope is probably that the other publics each specialize in certain programs to emerge as a good alternative to UIUC, like NIU for accounting. But with the state's budget woes, even those long-term prospects are dicey.

If it were like the process of locating the first state colleges in Arkansas it likely required donating land building a road to the nearest railroad station and other such things.
When I was in college more than once I heard the legend that a nearby town had rejected the chance to be the home for AState. Few years back I'm researching the early days of the university and see that the town that had "turned down" the school had submitted a bid, it just wasn't as lucrative.

Maybe we can start seeing a slew of schools in the midwest to add football to go to the Pioneer League to build onto?

The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

You just hit the nail on the head as to why Pioneer football wont work at Chicago State. The concept is for wealthy white suburban boys who want to play football to come to the urban south side of Chicago ... why do I see a problem with this picture?

(05-20-2017 07:35 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

You just hit the nail on the head as to why Pioneer football wont work at Chicago State. The concept is for wealthy white suburban boys who want to play football to come to the urban south side of Chicago ... why do I see a problem with this picture?

they'd rather confenerce up with San Diego than with their neighbors in Chicago. Good point.

(05-20-2017 08:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 07:35 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

You just hit the nail on the head as to why Pioneer football wont work at Chicago State. The concept is for wealthy white suburban boys who want to play football to come to the urban south side of Chicago ... why do I see a problem with this picture?

they'd rather confenerce up with San Diego than with their neighbors in Chicago. Good point.

Wrong conclusion. The young white men with money who want to play football want to go to schools like Valpo, Butler and San Diego, not a commuter school like Chicago State. Chicago State is competing against every D-III elite private school for these students.

The interim AD, and I emphasize interim, is one of Cecil Lucy's appointees. Cecil came up with many whack ideas to try and up attendance. It is hair brained, and it has no chance with the new administration. They know the demographics of CSU and they are not insane.

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Wright State is in financial hell right now. They will not add a football program. Come back to earth.

The other problem with Chicago State football. The school will almost certainly not be in the WAC or even D-I after 2017-18. That rules out non-scholarship Pioneer league football as an option. Most likely they will be NAIA/D-II in the CCAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicagolan...Conference

Chicago State just needs to be out period.

(05-21-2017 02:03 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Wright State is in financial hell right now. They will not add a football program. Come back to earth.

Wright State cut Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving effective immediately, which would save them about $500,000 in salaries, travel and scholarships. I don't think football is in the cards.

(05-21-2017 03:02 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 02:03 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Wright State is in financial hell right now. They will not add a football program. Come back to earth.

Wright State cut Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving effective immediately, which would save them about $500,000 in salaries, travel and scholarships. I don't think football is in the cards.

Their bond rating was also lowered recently. There are bigger problems at Wright State than most of us know.

Ignore David, like I do. It'll save you from all the aggravation of reading his posts.

(05-20-2017 02:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If it were like the process of locating the first state colleges in Arkansas it likely required donating land building a road to the nearest railroad station and other such things.
When I was in college more than once I heard the legend that a nearby town had rejected the chance to be the home for AState. Few years back I'm researching the early days of the university and see that the town that had "turned down" the school had submitted a bid, it just wasn't as lucrative.

Good point. I know that some other major state universities were selected because their county put up the highest bid to put it there, and then you had Morrill Act land-grants to consider as well. If NIU was proposed in Rockford then the city plus Winnebago County probably would've had to shell out a lot to put it there; if the University of Illinois at Rockford was proposed, the state probably would've had more financial responsibility over its foundation.

(05-21-2017 02:03 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.

I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Wright State is in financial hell right now. They will not add a football program. Come back to earth.

I said they have club football. Adding non-scholarship would not cost that much since the club team already have the equipment.

(05-21-2017 04:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 02:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If it were like the process of locating the first state colleges in Arkansas it likely required donating land building a road to the nearest railroad station and other such things.
When I was in college more than once I heard the legend that a nearby town had rejected the chance to be the home for AState. Few years back I'm researching the early days of the university and see that the town that had "turned down" the school had submitted a bid, it just wasn't as lucrative.

Good point. I know that some other major state universities were selected because their county put up the highest bid to put it there, and then you had Morrill Act land-grants to consider as well. If NIU was proposed in Rockford then the city plus Winnebago County probably would've had to shell out a lot to put it there; if the University of Illinois at Rockford was proposed, the state probably would've had more financial responsibility over its foundation.

But then we wouldn't be located within the Chicago media market

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(05-19-2017 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Chicago State gets a boost in in students enroll because they announced adding football? Then, it worked. Lets look at UTPB in Odessa Texas. Around 2010, they only had 3000 + students, and right now, over 6000+ after announcing adding football. They went up close to 3000 students and still growing. Lets see how Chicago State's enrollment in the fall.

I read an article thst said chicago state had a smaller frosh class than chicago kindergartens. The school is on life support.

(05-21-2017 09:52 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Chicago State gets a boost in in students enroll because they announced adding football? Then, it worked. Lets look at UTPB in Odessa Texas. Around 2010, they only had 3000 + students, and right now, over 6000+ after announcing adding football. They went up close to 3000 students and still growing. Lets see how Chicago State's enrollment in the fall.

I read an article thst said chicago state had a smaller frosh class than chicago kindergartens. The school is on life support.

BUT DON'T YOU GEDDIT IF THEY HAD FOOTBALL THEIR CLASS WOULD BE BIGGER THAN CHICAGO MIDDLE SCHOOLS CUZ OF THE PLAYERS!!!!!!