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(04-27-2017 10:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I'm guessing if FC Cincinnati was a drain on UC, John McNay and Ron Jones would have authored an editorial in the Enquirer.

The Enquirer will not touch the Lindners. They've been burned once.

(04-27-2017 11:30 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 10:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I'm guessing if FC Cincinnati was a drain on UC, John McNay and Ron Jones would have authored an editorial in the Enquirer.

The Enquirer will not touch the Lindners. They've been burned once.

Lol. You and doss and the lindner boogieman

(04-27-2017 11:38 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 11:30 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 10:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I'm guessing if FC Cincinnati was a drain on UC, John McNay and Ron Jones would have authored an editorial in the Enquirer.

The Enquirer will not touch the Lindners. They've been burned once.

Lol. You and doss and the lindner boogieman

I'm not sure why I can all of a sudden see your posts, but to respond - The Enquirer and the Lindners have a history. That's a fact. It was rather ugly for the local rag. This happened almost 20 years ago, so you might not remember it.

"Parking revenues & stadium rental are offset by real costs to UC hosting FCC. Neither of us knows any of these."

Gerhard, Can I ask for a point of clarification for an example of a "real cost" to UC? I just want to know an example of costs that the rest of us aren't thinking about that would offset hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars a year(whatever the number may be).. Again I just want to know the truth and if you know of other costs that aren't being accounted for in this 33 pages, or the other 400+ pages on multiple threads about the UC FCC relationship I think we'd all love to be enlightened.. Every "extra Cost"(parking attendants etc) I think of comes nowhere close to the extra profits..

I was under the assumption the ticket takers, concession workers and security all came out of FCC pockets..

I suspect the benefits of FCC monies haven't been revealed for several reasons. First, UC has to pay FCC the $1.6M (or whatever the actual number ended up being) for widening the field. I'm guessing little or no concession money has yet made it's way into UC's pockets. Secondly - based on what numerous people on here have repeated - parking revenue does not go to the athletic program.

The actual contract lease isn't all that lucrative. $5,000 a game, plus $0.25 a ticket over 80,000 (I can't remember the actual number), plus rental fees for use of other facilities. It's money, but it's not a coffer gusher.

In summary, I'm supposing the soccer scheme has yet to create a bonanza for UC athletics. I'm not saying it won't happen; however, I suspect it hasn't happened yet.

I actually expect Moose to show up in this thread any day now.

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(04-27-2017 01:07 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I actually expect Moose to show up in this thread any day now.

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THE Moose from BCJ? I would love for him to show up on this board... he would get eaten alive by anyone that can identify a basic troll.

(04-27-2017 01:19 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:07 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I actually expect Moose to show up in this thread any day now.

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THE Moose from BCJ? I would love for him to show up on this board... he would get eaten alive by anyone that can identify a basic troll.

If this board is so good at eating up basic trolls, then why is this thread still chugging along? I can think of three or so in particular that continue to "contribute" on this and in every other thread that has a remote relationship to Nippert Stadium and on-campus renovations.

(04-27-2017 12:54 PM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  "Parking revenues & stadium rental are offset by real costs to UC hosting FCC. Neither of us knows any of these."

Gerhard, Can I ask for a point of clarification for an example of a "real cost" to UC? I just want to know an example of costs that the rest of us aren't thinking about that would offset hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars a year(whatever the number may be).. Again I just want to know the truth and if you know of other costs that aren't being accounted for in this 33 pages, or the other 400+ pages on multiple threads about the UC FCC relationship I think we'd all love to be enlightened.. Every "extra Cost"(parking attendants etc) I think of comes nowhere close to the extra profits..

I was under the assumption the ticket takers, concession workers and security all came out of FCC pockets..

I'm not sure whether UC, as the operator of Nippert (obviously), covers all of the costs of the security, ticket takers, usher/concession stand workers as well as costs for things like scoreboard/sound operators, clean up crews and then other operating costs like utilities associated with running the stadium. Or, whether there's an agreement for FCC to staff those positions directly and/or separately reimburse UC for certain costs that is separate and apart from the payment structure that has been mentioned (cost per game plus cut of ticket sales).

So there are certainly other costs associated with operating a 40,000 seat venue with 20,000+ people coming and going. It's just a matter of how much and who bears the cost. I would assume it's UC but don't know that to be true.

(04-27-2017 12:54 PM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  "Parking revenues & stadium rental are offset by real costs to UC hosting FCC. Neither of us knows any of these."

Gerhard, Can I ask for a point of clarification for an example of a "real cost" to UC? I just want to know an example of costs that the rest of us aren't thinking about that would offset hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars a year(whatever the number may be).. Again I just want to know the truth and if you know of other costs that aren't being accounted for in this 33 pages, or the other 400+ pages on multiple threads about the UC FCC relationship I think we'd all love to be enlightened.. Every "extra Cost"(parking attendants etc) I think of comes nowhere close to the extra profits..

I was under the assumption the ticket takers, concession workers and security all came out of FCC pockets..

Just off the top of my head - cleaning (no, wait, I'm sure all of the FCC fans clean up after themselves), maintenance (no, wait, I'm sure absolutely no wear and tear of the facilities come at the hand of FCC fans) and utilities. I would also expect that transitioning the stadium between football and soccer generate some labor & related expense.

My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

(04-27-2017 01:27 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:19 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:07 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I actually expect Moose to show up in this thread any day now.

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THE Moose from BCJ? I would love for him to show up on this board... he would get eaten alive by anyone that can identify a basic troll. :lmfao:

If this board is so good at eating up basic trolls, then why is this thread still chugging along? I can think of three or so in particular that continue to "contribute" on this and in every other thread that has a remote relationship to Nippert Stadium and on-campus renovations.

I think many the "trolls" in these threads are more or less normal posters that have strong negative or positive opinions about FCC, so whenever they finally get a chance to voice their opinion, they do so loudly.

Moose was a different kind of animal (pun intended). His account exclusively posted to make extraordinary claims about conference realignment because he was some sort of university/network big shot, and most of his posts ended with something like "out of time, have to make a flight, I'll post more later!" Questioning a single word from Moose could bring serious retribution: I experienced months of harassment after once suggesting that Moose was a troll. :lmfao:

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

My comment 6 or 7 pages ago. But the minor league posters on this board went nuts about the contract which details very little with regard to UC's coffers. Way too much is still hidden - it is all conjecture.

Hope FCC becomes a MLS franchise. At $45 average ticket price, lets see how many of the FCC faithful show up. If they draw 20k at Nippert at that price point then FCC has made the transition from a "cool event" to an actual professional sport that can be embraced by the entire city. But what happens if the Commonwealth throws a ton of tax breaks and the new soccer-only stadium is in Erlanger?

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 12:54 PM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  "Parking revenues & stadium rental are offset by real costs to UC hosting FCC. Neither of us knows any of these."

Gerhard, Can I ask for a point of clarification for an example of a "real cost" to UC? I just want to know an example of costs that the rest of us aren't thinking about that would offset hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars a year(whatever the number may be).. Again I just want to know the truth and if you know of other costs that aren't being accounted for in this 33 pages, or the other 400+ pages on multiple threads about the UC FCC relationship I think we'd all love to be enlightened.. Every "extra Cost"(parking attendants etc) I think of comes nowhere close to the extra profits..

I was under the assumption the ticket takers, concession workers and security all came out of FCC pockets..

Just off the top of my head - cleaning (no, wait, I'm sure all of the FCC fans clean up after themselves), maintenance (no, wait, I'm sure absolutely no wear and tear of the facilities come at the hand of FCC fans) and utilities. I would also expect that transitioning the stadium between football and soccer generate some labor & related expense.

My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

While I commend the use of sarcasm (I'm a connoisseur myself), I think that may have been an honest, well-meaning question.

We all know there are positives and negatives to this deal, and depending on your personal feelings you'll see more on one side than the other. Being a college soccer player and alum of UC, I like the deal from an exposure standpoint, but there are definitely some red flags and lingering questions.

(04-27-2017 02:01 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

My comment 6 or 7 pages ago. But the minor league posters on this board went nuts about the contract which details very little with regard to UC's coffers. Way too much is still hidden - it is all conjecture.

Hope FCC becomes a MLS franchise. At $45 average ticket price, lets see how many of the FCC faithful show up. If they draw 20k at Nippert at that price point then FCC has made the transition from a "cool event" to an actual professional sport that can be embraced by the entire city. But what happens if the Commonwealth throws a ton of tax breaks and the new soccer-only stadium is in Erlanger?

Just reconfigure the stadium that the Freedom play in. I wonder how many the draw a game.

Quote:Just reconfigure the stadium that the Freedom play in. I wonder how many the draw a game.

I'm not sure but games there are a great time. My son's baseball team makes a UC game and a Freedom game every year and they make the team feel like celebrities. I would guess the stadium has been 50 - 75% full for the one or two games I get to a year.

(04-27-2017 02:01 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

My comment 6 or 7 pages ago. But the minor league posters on this board went nuts about the contract which details very little with regard to UC's coffers. Way too much is still hidden - it is all conjecture.

Hope FCC becomes a MLS franchise. At $45 average ticket price, lets see how many of the FCC faithful show up. If they draw 20k at Nippert at that price point then FCC has made the transition from a "cool event" to an actual professional sport that can be embraced by the entire city. But what happens if the Commonwealth throws a ton of tax breaks and the new soccer-only stadium is in Erlanger?

Considering $45 is nearly double the price point of tickets at Crew games and just over $12/game higher than the average MLS ticket, that would be above "professional" level and turn into "phenomena" level stuff. I highly doubt the group would move to a place in the middle of nowhere due in no small part to the failures they have in their back pocket with other teams in MLS. They already have 4 sites within the urban core area identified, so I don't think it would be an issue either way.

Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Two of the three sites @fccincinnati is eyeing are inside the city of Cincinnati limits and club is working local politicos for $$


Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Cranley: "I don't believe the city of Cincinnati taxpayers will put any money into the stadium for FC Cincinnati."

Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Simpson also does not favor city taxpayer money for @fccincinnati stadium.

(04-27-2017 02:49 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 02:01 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

My comment 6 or 7 pages ago. But the minor league posters on this board went nuts about the contract which details very little with regard to UC's coffers. Way too much is still hidden - it is all conjecture.

Hope FCC becomes a MLS franchise. At $45 average ticket price, lets see how many of the FCC faithful show up. If they draw 20k at Nippert at that price point then FCC has made the transition from a "cool event" to an actual professional sport that can be embraced by the entire city. But what happens if the Commonwealth throws a ton of tax breaks and the new soccer-only stadium is in Erlanger?

Considering $45 is nearly double the price point of tickets at Crew games and just over $12/game higher than the average MLS ticket, that would be above "professional" level and turn into "phenomena" level stuff. I highly doubt the group would move to a place in the middle of nowhere due in no small part to the failures they have in their back pocket with other teams in MLS. They already have 4 sites within the urban core area identified, so I don't think it would be an issue either way.

We have 40k season ticket holders, or at least used to.. pay ~80$ per game to go to bengals games.. if you get even 15k season ticket holders then it will be deemed a success for the MLS... they would love to have bases of 15k season tickets across the league.. (When FCC went over 15k season ticket holders this year I remember looking up that MLS only had 5 or 6 teams over 15k)

The real test imo will come when the Reds/Bengals actually start to perform.. most people I know would pay more for FCC tickets as long as that dollar is not competing for Reds/Bengals tickets.. as an FCC season ticket holder, I still think if the Reds turn it around quickly then FCC will lose the ground they made.. if the Reds/Bengals can't win in playoffs or make them, and continue in mediocrity for a few more seasons though, then the FCC ground swell will have a much stronger hold and many kids may start actually going towards soccer and FCC crowds will grow imo. I firmly believe FCC's success is directly driven by the lack of success at GABP or PBS these last 18 months...

I even know half a dozen Columbus Crew/FCC Season ticket holders so they pay for both sets of season tickets..

(04-27-2017 01:46 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 12:54 PM)Ahhhorsepoo Wrote:  "Parking revenues & stadium rental are offset by real costs to UC hosting FCC. Neither of us knows any of these."

Gerhard, Can I ask for a point of clarification for an example of a "real cost" to UC? I just want to know an example of costs that the rest of us aren't thinking about that would offset hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars a year(whatever the number may be).. Again I just want to know the truth and if you know of other costs that aren't being accounted for in this 33 pages, or the other 400+ pages on multiple threads about the UC FCC relationship I think we'd all love to be enlightened.. Every "extra Cost"(parking attendants etc) I think of comes nowhere close to the extra profits..

I was under the assumption the ticket takers, concession workers and security all came out of FCC pockets..

Just off the top of my head - cleaning (no, wait, I'm sure all of the FCC fans clean up after themselves), maintenance (no, wait, I'm sure absolutely no wear and tear of the facilities come at the hand of FCC fans) and utilities. I would also expect that transitioning the stadium between football and soccer generate some labor & related expense.

My point was, and remains, that none of us know enough details about the deal between FCC & UC to make ANY factual statements as to UC's
profitability. It is all conjecture.

Well we DO know what the agreement says, but we don't know the results.

(04-27-2017 02:53 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Two of the three sites @fccincinnati is eyeing are inside the city of Cincinnati limits and club is working local politicos for $$


Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Cranley: "I don't believe the city of Cincinnati taxpayers will put any money into the stadium for FC Cincinnati."

Jason Williams‏Verified account @jwilliamscincy 3h3 hours ago

Simpson also does not favor city taxpayer money for @fccincinnati stadium.

While I don't fault FCC for trying, any local politician on the Ohio side would have to have his head examined for promising dollars for another stadium.