(04-26-2017 12:33 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:21 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:18 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:00 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 10:30 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  And if none of that is reported to the police, can I still be charged with a crime?

Here, the theft was reported and those involved in any way were arrested.

Actually yes you could. A witness could report it. A crime is a crime whether or not a victim reports the crime or not. How many murders do you think are reported by their victims?

Also, what if that friend gets pissed at you the following week because he caught you texting his girlfriend, then he decides to report the fart induced retaliatory assault and battery to the police?

The point I'm trying to illustrate to you is that if you want to draw this hard line in the sand that "stealing is stealing! There's nothing in the law that says anything about it being a prank!" then you should at least be consistent in that stance and be ready for the horrible consequences that would create.

This is one reason why we have a jury of our peers. Because often there are mitigating circumstances that must be taken into account through thoughtful consideration of all the details that a simple law written in the books doesn't address.

I never said that the victim had to report it. I just simply said that if no one reports it, can I be charged with a crime?

If he reports it a week later, he better have some strong evidence to present to the police to obtain a warrant for my arrest. Likely any physical evidence has gone away and if he didn't receive any medical attention for it at the time of the assault, then he won't have much evidence a week later.

Do I need to keep coming up with hypotheticals for you to acknowledge that taking a hard line on this even if it is proven to be a prank is a little unfair to these players?

I sure TP'd a lot of houses in high school, but did it as a prank to my teammates on the soccer team, but technically that was trespassing and vandalism.

Sure glad I don't have a criminal record from that.

I think a lot is getting lost in the fog, and as a police officer, I want to try and help. In Texas, there are two types of complainant's. The State and individuals. The State is used in cases were there is a crime, but no specific "victim." Drug deals, public intoxication and murder (the people vs. O.J. Simpson) and a few examples. For property crime, there virtually always has to be an individual. If you see someone steal a car, report it, the police pull the guy over, but no one can find the owner and the car isn't reported stolen, there isn't much an officer can do, save for documenting the incident. Conversely, if you take your brother's keys without his knowing, and drive away, he can report it stolen and if so, there will be an arrest if caught (a lot of people try to report a car stolen that was knowingly borrowed, but not returned, and then that becomes a civil issue).

In this case, they knowingly (intent) took the complainant's property (act) without consent (...consent...) which meet all the elements of the offense in Texas. Prank or not, that is a crime.

And before you get all boo-hooed that you shouldn't be punished for a prank, that has resulted in death before. Should criminally negligent homicide be okay if it started out as a prank? If you say no, then you start a slippery-slope debate about which pranks are okay and which aren't. The same prank could lead to different results, so you can't even say certain pranks work better. If the homeowner falls off a ladder cleaning the TP and dies, you could have been charged with criminally negligent homicide.

And I'm not for or against these players, but every action has some level of consequence. It is what it is.

And yes, you could have had an arrest record if the person's house you TPed decided to press charges, and it has happened. Think twice before you prank is the best advice I have.

I thought we lived in the land of innocent until proven guilty. So isn't it only a crime when they are found guilty. It's only an alleged crime until then. A crime could be reported, but it could be a complete fabrication, and then wouldn't be a crime at all.

(04-26-2017 01:03 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 12:33 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:21 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:18 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:00 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Actually yes you could. A witness could report it. A crime is a crime whether or not a victim reports the crime or not. How many murders do you think are reported by their victims?

Also, what if that friend gets pissed at you the following week because he caught you texting his girlfriend, then he decides to report the fart induced retaliatory assault and battery to the police?

The point I'm trying to illustrate to you is that if you want to draw this hard line in the sand that "stealing is stealing! There's nothing in the law that says anything about it being a prank!" then you should at least be consistent in that stance and be ready for the horrible consequences that would create.

This is one reason why we have a jury of our peers. Because often there are mitigating circumstances that must be taken into account through thoughtful consideration of all the details that a simple law written in the books doesn't address.

I never said that the victim had to report it. I just simply said that if no one reports it, can I be charged with a crime?

If he reports it a week later, he better have some strong evidence to present to the police to obtain a warrant for my arrest. Likely any physical evidence has gone away and if he didn't receive any medical attention for it at the time of the assault, then he won't have much evidence a week later.

Do I need to keep coming up with hypotheticals for you to acknowledge that taking a hard line on this even if it is proven to be a prank is a little unfair to these players?

I sure TP'd a lot of houses in high school, but did it as a prank to my teammates on the soccer team, but technically that was trespassing and vandalism.

Sure glad I don't have a criminal record from that.

I think a lot is getting lost in the fog, and as a police officer, I want to try and help. In Texas, there are two types of complainant's. The State and individuals. The State is used in cases were there is a crime, but no specific "victim." Drug deals, public intoxication and murder (the people vs. O.J. Simpson) and a few examples. For property crime, there virtually always has to be an individual. If you see someone steal a car, report it, the police pull the guy over, but no one can find the owner and the car isn't reported stolen, there isn't much an officer can do, save for documenting the incident. Conversely, if you take your brother's keys without his knowing, and drive away, he can report it stolen and if so, there will be an arrest if caught (a lot of people try to report a car stolen that was knowingly borrowed, but not returned, and then that becomes a civil issue).

In this case, they knowingly (intent) took the complainant's property (act) without consent (...consent...) which meet all the elements of the offense in Texas. Prank or not, that is a crime.

And before you get all boo-hooed that you shouldn't be punished for a prank, that has resulted in death before. Should criminally negligent homicide be okay if it started out as a prank? If you say no, then you start a slippery-slope debate about which pranks are okay and which aren't. The same prank could lead to different results, so you can't even say certain pranks work better. If the homeowner falls off a ladder cleaning the TP and dies, you could have been charged with criminally negligent homicide.

And I'm not for or against these players, but every action has some level of consequence. It is what it is.

And yes, you could have had an arrest record if the person's house you TPed decided to press charges, and it has happened. Think twice before you prank is the best advice I have.

I don't mean this as any disrespect, as I have a brother in law who is a parole officer, but you're kind of proving my point about why we have a jury of our peers.

As a police officer, just like my brother in law, you aren't paid to make judgement calls based on extenuating circumstances. You're paid to enforce the law as written in black and white. The judge and/or jury are the ones that decide if a) your judgement was correct that a crime was committed, b) whether or not the law should be applied in the specific situation based on any extenuating circumstances, and c) to what extent (if any) punishment should be applied.

So did these kids technically steal based on the law? Yes probably from what I'm reading. And any law enforcement officer would probably "arrest" for that. However, arrest does not equal conviction in the USA, and all I'm saying is that if your stance on here is one of zero tolerance, with no consideration of of any extenuating circumstances, then I guess you should believe there should be no court system. If someone is arrested, just lock them up.

If there was evidence that these kids were doing this as a prank and I were in the jury, I would absolutely REFUSE to convict. I wouldn't do that to these kids. Because I'm a logical citizen serving on a jury of their peers that can exercise my good common sense in the application of the law.

As for your comment about me being charged with murder related to the TP thing, I find that very hard to believe. But if true, if someone was arrested for murder based on a home owner falling off a ladder cleaning up TP, and a DA brought charges against the prankster, I feel very confident in that hypothetical situation, there would be at least one juror that would refuse to convict. I know I sure would.

This is why I love America.

So you as a juror wouldn't find any issue with the person cleaning TP out of the tree, and would have not been in that tree for any other reason but to clean out the TP someone else put there, and they fell and broke their neck leading to death?

(04-26-2017 03:00 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 12:33 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:21 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:18 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:00 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  Actually yes you could. A witness could report it. A crime is a crime whether or not a victim reports the crime or not. How many murders do you think are reported by their victims?

Also, what if that friend gets pissed at you the following week because he caught you texting his girlfriend, then he decides to report the fart induced retaliatory assault and battery to the police?

The point I'm trying to illustrate to you is that if you want to draw this hard line in the sand that "stealing is stealing! There's nothing in the law that says anything about it being a prank!" then you should at least be consistent in that stance and be ready for the horrible consequences that would create.

This is one reason why we have a jury of our peers. Because often there are mitigating circumstances that must be taken into account through thoughtful consideration of all the details that a simple law written in the books doesn't address.

I never said that the victim had to report it. I just simply said that if no one reports it, can I be charged with a crime?

If he reports it a week later, he better have some strong evidence to present to the police to obtain a warrant for my arrest. Likely any physical evidence has gone away and if he didn't receive any medical attention for it at the time of the assault, then he won't have much evidence a week later.

Do I need to keep coming up with hypotheticals for you to acknowledge that taking a hard line on this even if it is proven to be a prank is a little unfair to these players?

I sure TP'd a lot of houses in high school, but did it as a prank to my teammates on the soccer team, but technically that was trespassing and vandalism.

Sure glad I don't have a criminal record from that.

I think a lot is getting lost in the fog, and as a police officer, I want to try and help. In Texas, there are two types of complainant's. The State and individuals. The State is used in cases were there is a crime, but no specific "victim." Drug deals, public intoxication and murder (the people vs. O.J. Simpson) and a few examples. For property crime, there virtually always has to be an individual. If you see someone steal a car, report it, the police pull the guy over, but no one can find the owner and the car isn't reported stolen, there isn't much an officer can do, save for documenting the incident. Conversely, if you take your brother's keys without his knowing, and drive away, he can report it stolen and if so, there will be an arrest if caught (a lot of people try to report a car stolen that was knowingly borrowed, but not returned, and then that becomes a civil issue).

In this case, they knowingly (intent) took the complainant's property (act) without consent (...consent...) which meet all the elements of the offense in Texas. Prank or not, that is a crime.

And before you get all boo-hooed that you shouldn't be punished for a prank, that has resulted in death before. Should criminally negligent homicide be okay if it started out as a prank? If you say no, then you start a slippery-slope debate about which pranks are okay and which aren't. The same prank could lead to different results, so you can't even say certain pranks work better. If the homeowner falls off a ladder cleaning the TP and dies, you could have been charged with criminally negligent homicide.

And I'm not for or against these players, but every action has some level of consequence. It is what it is.

And yes, you could have had an arrest record if the person's house you TPed decided to press charges, and it has happened. Think twice before you prank is the best advice I have.

I thought we lived in the land of innocent until proven guilty. So isn't it only a crime when they are found guilty. It's only an alleged crime until then. A crime could be reported, but it could be a complete fabrication, and then wouldn't be a crime at all.

Where did I say there is no day in court? Stop being so overdramatic.

There's a difference between arrest and conviction. If you are arrested and found not guilty, you still have an arrest record.

Just to be complete, they weren't chosen with stealing anything, but instead with conspiracy to commit felony theft. The property list involved in the police document is shown below. Thought ya'll might be interested.

DVD White sleeve w/burned DVD+R containing video
Clothes 2 pair white socks, 2-1/2 pair black socks
Money 3 one dollar bills
Ladder speed ladder (training)
Shoes Jordans shoes

(04-26-2017 03:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 01:03 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 12:33 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:21 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 11:18 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  I never said that the victim had to report it. I just simply said that if no one reports it, can I be charged with a crime?

If he reports it a week later, he better have some strong evidence to present to the police to obtain a warrant for my arrest. Likely any physical evidence has gone away and if he didn't receive any medical attention for it at the time of the assault, then he won't have much evidence a week later.

Do I need to keep coming up with hypotheticals for you to acknowledge that taking a hard line on this even if it is proven to be a prank is a little unfair to these players?

I sure TP'd a lot of houses in high school, but did it as a prank to my teammates on the soccer team, but technically that was trespassing and vandalism.

Sure glad I don't have a criminal record from that.

I think a lot is getting lost in the fog, and as a police officer, I want to try and help. In Texas, there are two types of complainant's. The State and individuals. The State is used in cases were there is a crime, but no specific "victim." Drug deals, public intoxication and murder (the people vs. O.J. Simpson) and a few examples. For property crime, there virtually always has to be an individual. If you see someone steal a car, report it, the police pull the guy over, but no one can find the owner and the car isn't reported stolen, there isn't much an officer can do, save for documenting the incident. Conversely, if you take your brother's keys without his knowing, and drive away, he can report it stolen and if so, there will be an arrest if caught (a lot of people try to report a car stolen that was knowingly borrowed, but not returned, and then that becomes a civil issue).

In this case, they knowingly (intent) took the complainant's property (act) without consent (...consent...) which meet all the elements of the offense in Texas. Prank or not, that is a crime.

And before you get all boo-hooed that you shouldn't be punished for a prank, that has resulted in death before. Should criminally negligent homicide be okay if it started out as a prank? If you say no, then you start a slippery-slope debate about which pranks are okay and which aren't. The same prank could lead to different results, so you can't even say certain pranks work better. If the homeowner falls off a ladder cleaning the TP and dies, you could have been charged with criminally negligent homicide.

And I'm not for or against these players, but every action has some level of consequence. It is what it is.

And yes, you could have had an arrest record if the person's house you TPed decided to press charges, and it has happened. Think twice before you prank is the best advice I have.

I don't mean this as any disrespect, as I have a brother in law who is a parole officer, but you're kind of proving my point about why we have a jury of our peers.

As a police officer, just like my brother in law, you aren't paid to make judgement calls based on extenuating circumstances. You're paid to enforce the law as written in black and white. The judge and/or jury are the ones that decide if a) your judgement was correct that a crime was committed, b) whether or not the law should be applied in the specific situation based on any extenuating circumstances, and c) to what extent (if any) punishment should be applied.

So did these kids technically steal based on the law? Yes probably from what I'm reading. And any law enforcement officer would probably "arrest" for that. However, arrest does not equal conviction in the USA, and all I'm saying is that if your stance on here is one of zero tolerance, with no consideration of of any extenuating circumstances, then I guess you should believe there should be no court system. If someone is arrested, just lock them up.

If there was evidence that these kids were doing this as a prank and I were in the jury, I would absolutely REFUSE to convict. I wouldn't do that to these kids. Because I'm a logical citizen serving on a jury of their peers that can exercise my good common sense in the application of the law.

As for your comment about me being charged with murder related to the TP thing, I find that very hard to believe. But if true, if someone was arrested for murder based on a home owner falling off a ladder cleaning up TP, and a DA brought charges against the prankster, I feel very confident in that hypothetical situation, there would be at least one juror that would refuse to convict. I know I sure would.

This is why I love America.

So you as a juror wouldn't find any issue with the person cleaning TP out of the tree, and would have not been in that tree for any other reason but to clean out the TP someone else put there, and they fell and broke their neck leading to death?

Nope. Not one bit. Horrible, tragic, terrible things happen all the time that are accidents. You don't always have to blame someone.

If a woman is walking down the sidewalk nude, she can be charged with indecent exposure. But if a guy runs his car into a telephone pole because he is staring at her posterior instead of the road, should we charge that woman with murder? No. That's ridiculous.

Maybe the guy should have had the self control to keep his eyes on the road and maybe the guy should have been more careful on the ladder cleaning up the TP.

Heck, lets charge the father of the naked woman with murder!! After all, if he didn't have sex with the woman who conceived the girl who grew up to be the woman who chose to walk down the sidewalk nude, maybe the driver wouldn't have been distracted and died in the car wreck!

^ What a stupid post.

(04-26-2017 04:15 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  ^ What a stupid post.

Thanks for deomonstrating why we have / need jury trials. Thank God.

To bring this back on topic, if these Louisiana players were playing a prank, I hope they don't miss a single down. And I especially hope they don't end up with records over this.

I'm curious to see how this plays out. The ex-player who was kicked off the team a couple of weeks back and in jail pending trial mom started the process. This could be an interesting legal case. I just wish it was someone else's legal case. ;-(

(04-26-2017 03:51 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Just to be complete, they weren't chosen with stealing anything, but instead with conspiracy to commit felony theft. The property list involved in the police document is shown below. Thought ya'll might be interested.

DVD White sleeve w/burned DVD+R containing video
Clothes 2 pair white socks, 2-1/2 pair black socks
Money 3 one dollar bills
Ladder speed ladder (training)
Shoes Jordans shoes

So is this the dorm heist version of Ocean's 13? Doesn't seem like it requires that many to plan. And how are they going to split up the three $1 bills? That's not even a quarter per person.

(04-26-2017 05:26 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 03:51 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Just to be complete, they weren't chosen with stealing anything, but instead with conspiracy to commit felony theft. The property list involved in the police document is shown below. Thought ya'll might be interested.

DVD White sleeve w/burned DVD+R containing video
Clothes 2 pair white socks, 2-1/2 pair black socks
Money 3 one dollar bills
Ladder speed ladder (training)
Shoes Jordans shoes

So is this the dorm heist version of Ocean's 13? Doesn't seem like it requires that many to plan. And how are they going to split up the three $1 bills? That's not even a quarter per person.

There were some additional items that came out in a later post by the PD (Xbox, other clothes, etc). It was rumored that the materials were actually already returned prior to the claim being made. It still makes no sense from the partial info going around so I'll post any additional info when we can get some info that is actually verifiable.

Quote:If a woman is walking down the sidewalk nude, she can be charged with indecent exposure. But if a guy runs his car into a telephone pole because he is staring at her posterior instead of the road, should we charge that woman with murder? No. That's ridiculous.

Maybe the guy should have had the self control to keep his eyes on the road and maybe the guy should have been more careful on the ladder cleaning up the TP.

Heck, lets charge the father of the naked woman with murder!! After all, if he didn't have sex with the woman who conceived the girl who grew up to be the woman who chose to walk down the sidewalk nude, maybe the driver wouldn't have been distracted and died in the car wreck!

Oh dear Lord. Can we stop now?

In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

(04-27-2017 04:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

Who is ULL?

(04-27-2017 06:41 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

Who is ULL?

UL-Larceny

(I kid.)

(04-27-2017 07:06 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 06:41 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

Who is ULL?

UL-Larceny

(I kid.)

(04-27-2017 04:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

It's obvious the real goal of this post was to see how many times you could fit ULL in without making it completely obvious that it was a troll attempt.

(04-27-2017 07:33 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:54 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  In my humble opinion, ULL should fire Hudspeth over this incident, period. It is merely the latest in a string of incidents that put ULL in a bad light that have taken place under his watch. ULL's football program appears to suffer from a lack of "institutional control", and the blame for that lies 100% on Hudspeth. The reputation of the university should be more important to ULL's administration than Hudspeth's ego is.

By the way, it looks like ULL's police department came out yesterday disputing the "circulating rumor" that this incident was some kind of a prank. They're treating it as a very serious matter (the way felony arrest are usually treated). This incident isn't going to get swept under the rug, and ULL's administration should take decisive action to remedy the situation. If it doesn't act, ULL's administration will validate the "banana republic" reputation Hudspeth seems to be working so hard to install in Lafayette.

It's obvious the real goal of this post was to see how many times you could fit ULL in without making it completely obvious that it was a troll attempt.

And I say kudos to that. I'm going to keep calling them ULL until they can beat us.

the cops have said the "it is a prank rumor" is bs

even if it was a 100% prank these players are still total morons for two reasons

1. you have a "teammate" that you would apparently still like because you are having fun "pranking them"

but of course that teammate is in jail being charged with RAPE.....only a total and complete moron (much less 13 of them) would think that person is in the mood to be pranked

yea that is going to go over really well.....hey boo boo I know you are in jail on a RAPE charge and possibly looking at serious PRISON time and being a felon for life....BUT I'M PLAYING YOUR XBOX AND WEARING YOUR SOCKS AND JORDENS!!!!....HAHA GOTCHA!!!!!!

2. the person is being charged with RAPE.....they are being accused of RAPING SOMEONE which is totally and completely disgusting......they did not get caught putting a flaming bag of dog crap on someones door or trying to take out after leaving $5 dollars on a $20 dollar restaurant tab (which still makes you an idiot)......they possibly RAPED SOMEONE

that is not something that anyone with an ounce of common sense or a functioning brain cell (much less 13 of them) looks at as something that you prank someone for.......that just shows a complete and total lack of understanding of the seriousness of a RAPE and the long term consequences for the alleged victim in the case

RAPE is a serious charge it is not something that you see a teammate get charged with and it becomes "prank time" because you know "catching a charge" is just one of those passages of life and all that

just a total and complete lack of understanding of consequences and repercussions....just total morons making a joke out of something extremely serious

(04-27-2017 09:53 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the cops have said the "it is a prank rumor" is bs

Thirteen guys break into a dorm and take underwear, socks, and toenail clippers?

I don't know where you get that information, but I'm going to go with "prank" here cuz common sense.