(04-24-2017 02:36 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:26 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UMKC sucks and can barely draw flies. They don't "bring" the KC market, not sure why they would be wanted by anyone.

Would this MW work?

Current MW (11 full members + Hawaii football)

Add NMSU, UTEP, UTSA and Rice as full members...makes MW football 16

Add these non-football full members for 19 total: Seattle, Grand Canyon, Denver, UT-Arlington.

Would take a while for traction but MW is going no where as is and these are some good potential builders in the near future, imo.

No...no.
The MW may be set at 11 as full members and have no need for a 12th member. If more conferences are moving to 20 conference games, then the MW doesn't need to expand at all as the MW may need to go to 20 conference games also and then we have a good round-robin schedule.
I know it has been discussed before and even Steve Fisher want to go to 14 or 16 conference games. However, now that he isn't a coach anymore and more conferences are increasing conference games, we will be left with fewer OOC choices which may force us to move to 20 games also.

(04-24-2017 03:53 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 02:36 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:26 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UMKC sucks and can barely draw flies. They don't "bring" the KC market, not sure why they would be wanted by anyone.

Would this MW work?

Current MW (11 full members + Hawaii football)

Add NMSU, UTEP, UTSA and Rice as full members...makes MW football 16

Add these non-football full members for 19 total: Seattle, Grand Canyon, Denver, UT-Arlington.

Would take a while for traction but MW is going no where as is and these are some good potential builders in the near future, imo.

No...no.
The MW may be set at 11 as full members and have no need for a 12th member. If more conferences are moving to 20 conference games, then the MW doesn't need to expand at all as the MW may need to go to 20 conference games also and then we have a good round-robin schedule.
I know it has been discussed before and even Steve Fisher want to go to 14 or 16 conference games. However, now that he isn't a coach anymore and more conferences are increasing conference games, we will be left with fewer OOC choices which may force us to move to 20 games also.

Then what's all that rumbling I heard that MW commissioner was looking to expand into Texas? Has he changed his mind because MW presidents didn't like the idea? Or was it all just blurting for nothing better to talk about?

The decision on Texas was not at this time. The problem is the revenue model doesn't work for either Football or Basketball. TV contracts run for three or four more years. Adding Rice and UTEP would increase the footprint, but unfortunately it means more mouths for the same money. Everyone takes a haircut. So it's dead until such time as there is some financial advantage.

Staying at 11 schools and going to 20 games (Basketball) does help financially, as every school gets an extra conference home game. These draw better than OOC and there is no need to pay another school. It is really the only option out there to increase revenue. 11 and 20 seems to be the new model.

(04-24-2017 04:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The decision on Texas was not at this time. The problem is the revenue model doesn't work for either Football or Basketball. TV contracts run for three or four more years. Adding Rice and UTEP would increase the footprint, but unfortunately it means more mouths for the same money. Everyone takes a haircut. So it's dead until such time as there is some financial advantage.

Staying at 11 schools and going to 20 games (Basketball) does help financially, as every school gets an extra conference home game. These draw better than OOC and there is no need to pay another school. It is really the only option out there to increase revenue. 11 and 20 seems to be the new model.

Too bad MVC wasn't going to 11 members, then our MW/MV Challenge would be 11 vs 11.

I'm guessing MW/MV Challenge did not go away with Shockers leaving.

(04-24-2017 04:44 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The decision on Texas was not at this time. The problem is the revenue model doesn't work for either Football or Basketball. TV contracts run for three or four more years. Adding Rice and UTEP would increase the footprint, but unfortunately it means more mouths for the same money. Everyone takes a haircut. So it's dead until such time as there is some financial advantage.

Staying at 11 schools and going to 20 games (Basketball) does help financially, as every school gets an extra conference home game. These draw better than OOC and there is no need to pay another school. It is really the only option out there to increase revenue. 11 and 20 seems to be the new model.

Too bad MVC wasn't going to 11 members, then our MW/MV Challenge would be 11 vs 11.

I'm guessing MW/MV Challenge did not go away with Shockers leaving.

MVC is going to 11.

(04-24-2017 07:36 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:44 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The decision on Texas was not at this time. The problem is the revenue model doesn't work for either Football or Basketball. TV contracts run for three or four more years. Adding Rice and UTEP would increase the footprint, but unfortunately it means more mouths for the same money. Everyone takes a haircut. So it's dead until such time as there is some financial advantage.

Staying at 11 schools and going to 20 games (Basketball) does help financially, as every school gets an extra conference home game. These draw better than OOC and there is no need to pay another school. It is really the only option out there to increase revenue. 11 and 20 seems to be the new model.

Too bad MVC wasn't going to 11 members, then our MW/MV Challenge would be 11 vs 11.

I'm guessing MW/MV Challenge did not go away with Shockers leaving.

MVC is going to 11.

I don't get the confusion by some. Even in the media. The MVC have made their announcement. They are visiting two schools, not three, not four, two. Visitations are nothing more then sitting down and formalizing an invite. The MVC are taking two schools and will be an 11 team conference. It really isn't that hard to understand. Why people still talk Belmont or Milwaukee is beyond me.

I don't get the 11 school model, big 10 had it for years and it sucked lots of ties and no travel partners. Maybe the the mvc is in a holding pattern for spot 12 or they think Missouri state will leave. Funny the Missouri valley could have no teams in Missouri if they did leave but I don't think the ovc has teams in Ohio

there is only 1 conf at 11 & plays 20 games [maac]
when this become the rage

Big Sky will be at 11 next year, and no plans for expansion at this time

"Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

(04-24-2017 04:31 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The decision on Texas was not at this time. The problem is the revenue model doesn't work for either Football or Basketball. TV contracts run for three or four more years. Adding Rice and UTEP would increase the footprint, but unfortunately it means more mouths for the same money. Everyone takes a haircut. So it's dead until such time as there is some financial advantage.

I can't help but think they were fishing for Houston and or SMU to take the bait and say "why take them, we're available."

The money will get better for the conference with even just one of those schools. UTEP's a tired subject, I fear. I know the sky was falling in the MWC when they asked the Miners to consider coming back, and CUSA was kinda an equal.

It's different for the MVC, but, who knows. Seems like a ticking time bomb with the politics. They lost Creighton and Wichita, and they're grabbing two more private schools and a public one. And I can't help but think the football school was a concession. That Valpo pretty much could have had this in the bag themselves if others, like MoState and maybe ISU or UNI weren't having rage strokes as their conference was turning into non-fb private school league.

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

Omaha is not going to the MVC. You need to stop panicking.

(04-25-2017 11:26 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

Omaha is not going to the MVC. You need to stop panicking.

Rather have the Montanas and Idaho anyway.

I could see the MVC taking three of four. (Murray, Valpo, UWMilw, Omaha)

If they end up taking two from the Horizon (Valpo, UWMilw) the Horizon will surely go after IPFW and IUPUI. <-- Summit. Dead.

Honestly, I could see the MVC taking Valpo, UWMilw, and Omaha and leave the headache of Murray State FB to the OVC. <-- Summit. Dead.

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

How?

I'm pretty sure between WAC, Big Sky, and Southland, Summit's got options. Football-fielding or no.

(04-25-2017 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

How?

I'm pretty sure between WAC, Big Sky, and Southland, Summit's got options. Football-fielding or no.

Omaha is now a central lynchpin for the Slummit. ORU, the IPSOUPS and WIU don't want to travel to the Dakotas. Our best hope is they leave and we invite the Montanas, Idaho and EWU to the near empty she'll of the Summit. A flagship conference is what those schools have always dreamed of.

(04-25-2017 11:52 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

How?

I'm pretty sure between WAC, Big Sky, and Southland, Summit's got options. Football-fielding or no.

Omaha is now a central lynchpin for the Slummit. ORU, the IPSOUPS and WIU don't want to travel to the Dakotas. Our best hope is they leave and we invite the Montanas, Idaho and EWU to the near empty shell of the Summit. A flagship conference is what those schools have always dreamed of.

(04-25-2017 11:28 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:26 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

Omaha is not going to the MVC. You need to stop panicking.

Rather have the Montanas and Idaho anyway.

I agree but it isn't going to happen yet. Omaha's shot at the MVC is less then 5%. One of IPFW or IUPUI may get into the HL, oh well. WIU has no problem traveling to the Dakota's, not sure where that came from. The eastern MVC schools are the ones who fought for one trip a year because they can't afford to travel.

WIU are going nowhere. They have been in the Mid Con/Summit for how long? 30 years? Too much panic. Everything will work itself out and my hope is eventually that means Montana and Idaho. But that won't happen tomorrow.

It would be fun to see UNI in a conference with Omaha though. That would make their 3 fans heads explode.

(04-25-2017 12:20 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:28 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:26 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 11:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 10:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  "Sources have told the Journal Star that Valley officials visited Murray State on Monday, Valparaiso on Tuesday and have campus visits set for Wisconsin-Milwaukee and Omaha."

http://www.pjstar.com/sports/20170425/mv...ew-members

If Omaha is gone, the Summit is screwed.

Omaha is not going to the MVC. You need to stop panicking.

Rather have the Montanas and Idaho anyway.

It would be fun to see UNI in a conference with Omaha though. That would make their 3 fans heads explode.

Quick peek at the NCAA 2016 attendance report shows UNI (5378) drawing twice as much as SDSU (2781).