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Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
Murray St is a solid basketball program and fits the geography for most of the members. Replacing a public with a public is also a good idea politically.

Western Illinois would make the most sense as a football replacement as the two could essentially swap places in football. For basketball wiu has gradually become a summit outlier while they would fit in nicely as an ovc western school
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
Murray State? LOL. Have you watched these guys play before? They are an awfully small team.

Nothing like the Valley teams. They've been playing in the OVC for a reason.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
I said this in the other thread, but it's possible OVC won't just be losing one school this or next summer.

I'd toss out UCA's candidacy, but that's a program dependent on the gulf states. Fish out of water in the OVC. The football hit says Kennesaw or G-W as a replacement, but UNCA or High Point might also get a look.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
I think the OVC's leading candidates are:

WIU (UMKC takes their spot in the Summit)
Kennesaw St
NKU (IUPUI takes their spot in the Horizon, UMKC fills the Jaguars' slot in Summit)
UNA
Lipscomb

(If they take an A-Sun school the A-Sun will have to look to D2 to fill the void)
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
I dont see WIU being attracted to the OVC when they are conferencing with the Dakota schools.

UMKC is an ex-Summit school who bumped up to the WAC a quasi big time basketball leauge.

NKU might seriously consider the OVC for travel puroposes.

UNA Im sure would die for an OVC invite.

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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
you nailed that kit kat, Murry should be 3rd school in.
OVC sits tight, div don't fit there make up.
FB stays in OVC for time being
there 3 in Alt - Sun ready to move
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
nailed it again
i don't see W ILL either
N Kent is in suberb of Cin
UMKC starting to look pretty to MW confs
even MAC if the had any expansion brains
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
UMKC sucks and can barely draw flies. They don't "bring" the KC market, not sure why they would be wanted by anyone.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
that's fine double
i want to hear what the WAC does
i tought it was all over, WAC jumped back on the map
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
WIU is not a candidate for the OVC. That is laughable.

If anything, EIU is a candidate for the Summit.


OVC football will drop to 8 when Murray leaves ... do they really need to add another football school?
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 08:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I dont see WIU being attracted to the OVC when they are conferencing with the Dakota schools.

UMKC is an ex-Summit school who bumped up to the WAC a quasi big time basketball leauge.

NKU might seriously consider the OVC for travel puroposes.

UNA Im sure would die for an OVC invite.

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I'm a little confused about why you don't think that the OVC would be attractive to WIU. It puts them in a conference with two instate schools and SE Mizz St isn't too far away either. The travel to Kentucky and Tennessee for conference games would be much easier than getting to the Dakotas, Denver, Omaha, and Oral Roberts. It would also would put them in an all sports league that plays football and if playing SIU and Illinois St is really important to them these games can be scheduled on a semi regular basis OOC.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
WIU is a midwestern school. The OVC is a southern conference. And SIUE doesn't have football, so it would really just be joining the OVC for EIU.

WIU is in a conference with two real Illinois schools for football now. It has zero desire to leave the MVFC.


If it were possible to join the OVC in all sports except football, leaving football in the MVFC ... it might consider that.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 08:39 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  WIU is a midwestern school. The OVC is a southern conference. And SIUE doesn't have football, so it would really just be joining the OVC for EIU.

WIU is in a conference with two real Illinois schools for football now. It has zero desire to leave the MVFC.


If it were possible to join the OVC in all sports except football, leaving football in the MVFC ... it might consider that.

Yes, the MVFC is a great set up for WIU but the travel in the Summit is terrible for them and the Dakota 4 and UND's hockey allies Denver and Omaha have pretty much made it clear that the Summit's future is not in the Great Lakes states.

WIU doesn't really have the resources to compete with the football powers of the MVFC but the OVC only has one big player in Jacksonville St.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
Bison, Summit looks like a staight line to me
Summit has to mushroom out somewhere.
what do u think there long range plans are?
East- 3 confs out there now, do you build to stay in Indaina
West- alot of travell
South [Tex ] - there are options in SW
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
if there are schools looking to move in ILL
Horizon should be looking very hard
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
Don't disregard the push for OVC to move eastward. This conference was supposedly close to getting UTC, and the loss of ETSU might have them looking right into Big South extract from their ranks. UNCA's seems to have come alive this century, with four NCAA bids since 2003. They don't make the OVC clearly better in hoops, and won't cover the loss of Murray, but it's not a pulse-less program as others might be. And Carolina's a good place to set a stake (regardless of the current situation).

Looking at the Summit or Horizon doesn't seem likely, imo. OVC's not exactly where it once was in terms of pull.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 08:47 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  WIU doesn't really have the resources to compete with the football powers of the MVFC but the OVC only has one big player in Jacksonville St.

Yes it does. It was a founding member of the Gateway Football Conference in 1985, and has never left. It isn't going anywhere in football.

And I'd also throw out EKU as a big program in the OVC, at least historically. Perhaps not as much success lately.


(04-21-2017 08:55 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Bison, Summit looks like a staight line to me
Summit has to mushroom out somewhere.
what do u think there long range plans are?

My personal opinion on what would be best for the Summit would be this:

NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD, Omaha, Denver, UMKC, Minn-Duluth

And would like to see the four men's hockey programs join the Big Ten hockey conference. The Dakota 4 remain football affiliate members of the MVFC (Duluth drops football to move up).
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
OVC not getting anybody out of B-South
B-S is nice tight conf in Va & NC & SC
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 08:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 08:12 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I dont see WIU being attracted to the OVC when they are conferencing with the Dakota schools.

UMKC is an ex-Summit school who bumped up to the WAC a quasi big time basketball leauge.

NKU might seriously consider the OVC for travel puroposes.

UNA Im sure would die for an OVC invite.

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I'm a little confused about why you don't think that the OVC would be attractive to WIU. It puts them in a conference with two instate schools and SE Mizz St isn't too far away either. The travel to Kentucky and Tennessee for conference games would be much easier than getting to the Dakotas, Denver, Omaha, and Oral Roberts. It would also would put them in an all sports league that plays football and if playing SIU and Illinois St is really important to them these games can be scheduled on a semi regular basis OOC.

Western Illinois has zero interest in the OVC. Just trust on this one.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 08:47 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Yes, the MVFC is a great set up for WIU but the travel in the Summit is terrible for them and the Dakota 4 and UND's hockey allies Denver and Omaha have pretty much made it clear that the Summit's future is not in the Great Lakes states.

WIU doesn't really have the resources to compete with the football powers of the MVFC but the OVC only has one big player in Jacksonville St.

I agree. Since the MVC apparently has no interest in adding WIU for non-football ... that the Leathernecks & OVC is a slam dunk. I ditto that WIU would compete better with the OVC in football as the MVC is so very strong. No comparison for travel for them with the OVC saving a lot of miles, money, and time.

I feel for the Indiana schools with the Summit League --- they would really be more on an island without WIU. And if one of the scenarios mentioned by another occurs where IUPUI lands in the Horizon, IUPUFW will have extremely challenging travel.

Of all the realignment decisions, I remain totally baffled that UMKC left the Summit for the WAC. And keep in mind that Denver had just done the opposite while UMKC is a much better travel fit inside the Summt.
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