Quote:In the latest development in a mushrooming scandal, police on Friday arrested two members of a Michigan mosque and accused them of helping a doctor perform genital mutilation on two seven-year-old girls.

The arrests come just a week after the arrest of Jumana Nagarwala, a Michigan doctor who is the first in the U.S. to be charged with female genital mutilation. Police say the couple arrested Friday, Fakhruddin Attar and his wife, Farida, own the business in Livonia, Michigan, where the procedure was performed, Burhani Medical Clinic.

Attar did not respond to multiple phone and LinkedIn messages from Heat Street sent throughout the week. A woman who answered the phone at Burhani Medical Clinic Tuesday hung up and would not answer further calls.

“Dr. Attar is not aware of any crimes that were committed at his clinic,” said Mary Chartier, the lawyer representing him. She spoke on her cell phone as she headed to court, where Attar was already waiting.

Farida Attar is being represented by another attorney, who could not be reached by deadline.

Fakhruddin Attar is the treasurer of the Anjuman-e-Najmi mosque. Jumana Nagarwala, the doctor who allegedly performed the procedures, is also a member of that mosque, and her husband, Moiz Nagarwala, is one of its directors, according to the website.

The practice, also known as “khatna,” “female genital cutting,” or “female circumcision,” was openly endorsed in 2016 by Syedna Mufaddi Saifuddin, the global spiritual leader of the Dawoodi Bohra community, to which the Attars and Nagarwala belong. The act carries both cultural and religious significance to adherents.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/husband-...-michigan/

What an awful practice.

shocker that they'd be 3rd world Muslim garbage.

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(04-23-2017 04:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  What an awful practice.

Cultural enrichment and diversity... It's apparently our strength..

If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

I had a son that was born a couple of months ago. I apologized to him every time I saw him for about a week after that procedure.

(04-23-2017 07:20 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

I had a son that was born a couple of months ago. I apologized to him every time I saw him for about a week after that procedure.

Yeah, completely brutal and medically unnecessary procedure.

Pretty sure someone pointed out that this is an African thing, not a Muslim issue.

Oh yeah, here it is:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-759595-post-126...id12694622

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

Comparing male circumcision to a clitorectomy is like comparing a bullet on the desk to one coming out of the end of a gun.

A circumcised ***** is 100% functional. A removed clitoris, not so much...

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

I held his hand while they did it. Not the same thing as this. Looks as bad but not the same outcome.

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(04-23-2017 07:22 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:20 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

I had a son that was born a couple of months ago. I apologized to him every time I saw him for about a week after that procedure.

Yeah, completely brutal and medically unnecessary procedure.

Brutal, sure... unnecessary? debatable.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news...th-reasons

According to the CDC "the scientific evidence is clear that the benefits outweigh the risks,"

Quote:Clinical trials, many done in sub-Saharan Africa, have demonstrated that circumcision reduces HIV infection risk by 50 percent to 60 percent, the CDC guidelines note. The procedure also reduces by 30 percent the risk of contracting herpes and human papilloma virus (HPV), two pathogens believed to cause cancer of the *****.

When are the arrests coming for the doctors mutilating transsexuals.

(04-23-2017 04:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  shocker that they'd be 3rd world Muslim garbage.

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Well that didn't take long.

(04-24-2017 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 04:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  shocker that they'd be 3rd world Muslim garbage.

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Well that didn't take long.

Why should it? That's what they are.

(04-24-2017 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 04:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  shocker that they'd be 3rd world Muslim garbage.

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Well that didn't take long.

The facts don't care about your sensibilities..

(04-23-2017 09:51 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:22 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:20 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 07:16 PM)dfarr Wrote:  If y'all ever watched a baby boy get circumcised you'd say the same thing about male circumcision.

I had a son that was born a couple of months ago. I apologized to him every time I saw him for about a week after that procedure.

Yeah, completely brutal and medically unnecessary procedure.

Brutal, sure... unnecessary? debatable.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news...th-reasons

According to the CDC "the scientific evidence is clear that the benefits outweigh the risks,"

Quote:Clinical trials, many done in sub-Saharan Africa, have demonstrated that circumcision reduces HIV infection risk by 50 percent to 60 percent, the CDC guidelines note. The procedure also reduces by 30 percent the risk of contracting herpes and human papilloma virus (HPV), two pathogens believed to cause cancer of the *****.

First, we ain't in sub-Saharan Africa.

Second, pretty sure that HIV and HPV and herpes can be prevented in a multitude of other ways not involving a unnecessary surgery.

I've had a number of adult men complain about numbness after a circ. If you have an elective procedure done to your son based on HIV rates in sub-Saharan Africa then you need to re-evaluate your parental decision making.

(04-24-2017 10:28 PM)dfarr Wrote:  First, we ain't in sub-Saharan Africa.

I'm sorry, I totally forgot that the north american ***** is so structurally different from a ***** in sub-Sahara Africa that HIV reacts differently to it.

Quote:Second, pretty sure that HIV and HPV and herpes can be prevented in a multitude of other ways not involving a unnecessary surgery.

Sure, abstinence... Condoms are not entirely effective against HPV or herpes and the vaccines out there only work on a fraction of the strains.

Quote:I've had a number of adult men complain about numbness after a circ

That's Anecdotal evidence... Quick get that to the CDC so they can reverse themselves.

Quote:If you have an elective procedure done to your son based on HIV rates in sub-Saharan Africa then you need to re-evaluate your parental decision making.

* Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the *****.
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
* Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections.
* Prevention of penile problems like phimosis
* Decreased risk of penile cancer.

But yea, literally no justification.

(04-24-2017 10:28 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I've had a number of adult men complain about numbness after a circ. If you have an elective procedure done to your son based on HIV rates in sub-Saharan Africa then you need to re-evaluate your parental decision making.

So you (your son) aren't circumcised? It's been pretty much standard procedure for several decades now in the US. I don't care either way but I just wonder why you're so against it. As an adult... hell no, I wouldn't do it.

(04-25-2017 06:12 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 10:28 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I've had a number of adult men complain about numbness after a circ. If you have an elective procedure done to your son based on HIV rates in sub-Saharan Africa then you need to re-evaluate your parental decision making.

So you (your son) aren't circumcised? It's been pretty much standard procedure for several decades now in the US. I don't care either way but I just wonder why you're so against it. As an adult... hell no, I wouldn't do it.

I'm against it because it's not necessary. Sure, it helps decrease STDs, but so does not putting your dick into nasty skanks. I just don't see how it's necessary to do a procedure on a one day old infant to reduce their possible STD rate. That's like removing their appendix at birth so that they don't get appendicitis.

As for phimosis, balanitis, and penile cancer, those are all prevented by taking a bath. Y'all do realize that I work in urology, so I literally do this for a living, right? To justify a pediatric surgery based on diseases that are prevented (mostly) by bathing just doesn't compute with me.

A good summary against it

No, neither of my sons were circumcised, nor was I or either of my brothers. It's just not medically necessary in infants.

(04-24-2017 10:02 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 04:46 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  shocker that they'd be 3rd world Muslim garbage.

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Well that didn't take long.

Why should it? That's what they are.

Got that right !