(04-21-2017 09:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think there is a rule that 8 schools had to play like 7 to 8 years together for so many years. Now, lets take a look how you could create 3 conferences from C-USA, Sun Belt and FCS callups. ...

Thank goodness I was spared this nonsense when DavidSt first posted it, given that he is the beginning and end of my blocklist. But now I see it from unedited quotes of DavidSt.

Note that there is no such rule. That was the old continuity rule. It was changed to a multi-bid conference has to sponsor for a certain number of years (8? I'm not going to go spelunking the NCAA Div I manual to find the rule). Otherwise the WAC would have lost its autobid as a result of realignment.

So the rest of that egregiously long post is premised on an outdated understanding of the current NCAA rules and, like so much of what DavidSt writes, can simply be safely ignored.

Note to my ideas. They are possible outcomes, and a long list makes it more of a plausible that any schools could fill out or helpful in splitting conferences with the SBC and C-USA. Akron Vs Marshall was an old OVC.
MVC schools could reunite with North Texas, New Mexico State and others and so forth.

Sun Belt Conference and C-USA have a lot in common with the Southland, WAC, MVC, Southern, OVC, ASun and Big South. The majority of the members of both conference used to be members of those conferences at one time. That also include CAA schools. It is not imaginable that any members from those conference could be targets for any sort of making these conferences be more manageable. You just can't have only those two conferences alone in making it pull off successfully. Marshall might like some more schools in their area like Youngstown State, Delaware, James Madison, Stony Brook, Towson and so forth.

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(04-21-2017 09:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:11 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 12:29 AM)panama Wrote:  Moving right along...

Would be great if we get to split away fro m geniuses like you.

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Nothing of substance to stand on? Start hurling insults. Typical.

No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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Hoping you get your wish!

Do you think folks from your marketing dept will be at the College Football HOF giving away tickets to our game again this year? If so I may just wait before I buy and save myself $20.

Depends on our record entering the game. Sorry but this isn't some one trick pony town with nothing to do. And by the way we tried for 5 years to get Levick to give away tickets UTSA. They deemed themselves above that.

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70% of the people at App State games do not live in Boone. We don't have to give tickets away, we sell them.

(04-22-2017 03:21 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:11 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Nothing of substance to stand on? Start hurling insults. Typical.

No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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Hoping you get your wish!

Do you think folks from your marketing dept will be at the College Football HOF giving away tickets to our game again this year? If so I may just wait before I buy and save myself $20.

Depends on our record entering the game. Sorry but this isn't some one trick pony town with nothing to do. And by the way we tried for 5 years to get Levick to give away tickets UTSA. They deemed themselves above that.

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70% of the people at App State games do not live in Boone. We don't have to give tickets away, we sell them.

Where do all these people stay? I've worked in Boone, and found hotels rather limited. Ate at Daniel Boone's restaurant, great place, but you have to eat whatever they're cooking.

Almost 400 posts ... and I'd be willing to bet that the CUSA and Sun Belt won't engage in a mutual reorganization in the next 10 years.


Carry on

10 years?

What I get out out of this is there are AD's of schools in both conferences that would prefer to have their team's in a more regional conference, to save cost and increase fan interest.

CUSA 2.0, or whatever it is, decision to chase markets did not work out too well, and it is hard for anyone not to point that out, so the subject will not go away.

While LaTech fans hate everything about the SBC, and cannot discuss anything about the SBC rationally, everyone else seems rational about it, and most seem to be able to find a configuration that wold work for them, so that means something could happen.

I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

Probably the Ivy League...? if there was a split and the power schools (not conferences because i believe there are less power schools than are currently in power conferences), I could a middle division of college football emerging with current G5 schools, non-power current power schools, and top FCS schools/confrrences. I would add Army and Navy to the Ivy League...

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

That is a tough question with "no" the likely answer based only on the recent past, and the emotions and pride that inject themselves into athletics at any level.

While most will be to add some kind of value, USA will be to correct a mistake, and their current configuration is a bad mistake that demands correction.

(04-22-2017 04:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

Probably the Ivy League...? if there was a split and the power schools (not conferences because i believe there are less power schools than are currently in power conferences), I could a middle division of college football emerging with current G5 schools, non-power current power schools, and top FCS schools/confrrences. I would add Army and Navy to the Ivy League...

Interesting.

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

The MAC is not certain to be unchanged in 2028, but it's certainly got a chance of being unchanged ... that is, in core memberships. Affiliate agreements are likely to change (indeed, could change in 2018, given Buffalo dropping men's soccer).

(04-23-2017 05:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

The MAC is not certain to be unchanged in 2028, but it's certainly got a chance of being unchanged ... that is, in core memberships. Affiliate agreements are likely to change (indeed, could change in 2018, given Buffalo dropping men's soccer).

The answer is the Big 12 and what they do. Or, if the Big 10 makes a coup on the Big 12 and ACC. Then the SEC will scope up some schools. The AAC and MWC could get picked apart. Then the AAC and MWC will pick apart C-USA, Big Sky, MAC and Summit football schools. C-USA will pick apart the SBC, MVFC and CAA. SBC will pick apart Southern, Big South and OVC schools.

(04-22-2017 09:13 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 03:21 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:24 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:11 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 PM)panama Wrote:  No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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Hoping you get your wish!

Do you think folks from your marketing dept will be at the College Football HOF giving away tickets to our game again this year? If so I may just wait before I buy and save myself $20.

Depends on our record entering the game. Sorry but this isn't some one trick pony town with nothing to do. And by the way we tried for 5 years to get Levick to give away tickets UTSA. They deemed themselves above that.

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70% of the people at App State games do not live in Boone. We don't have to give tickets away, we sell them.

Where do all these people stay? I've worked in Boone, and found hotels rather limited. Ate at Daniel Boone's restaurant, great place, but you have to eat whatever they're cooking.

The majority live within two hours of campus. Charlotte, Winston Salem and Greensboro are our largest alumni bases and with the new roads that have been built it's an easy drive. Most just make a day of it. We pushed kickoff from 1:00 to 3:30 in 2004 to help folks get to Boone. That really contributed to increased attendance and it fueled a tailgating boom which added to the overall gameday atmoshpere.

Yea, the DBI serves pretty much the same stuff every day. Few locals eat there. It's definitely a tourist spot. From time to time we get their to-go box for tailgating. It's almost too much for one person to eat.

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  What I get out out of this is there are AD's of schools in both conferences that would prefer to have their team's in a more regional conference, to save cost and increase fan interest.

Yeah, maybe one or two in each.

And I would prefer to lie in bed next to a super model.


Doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

(04-23-2017 05:28 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The answer is the Big 12 and what they do. Or, if the Big 10 makes a coup on the Big 12 and ACC. Then the SEC will scope up some schools. The AAC and MWC could get picked apart. Then the AAC and MWC will pick apart C-USA, Big Sky, MAC and Summit football schools. C-USA will pick apart the SBC, MVFC and CAA. SBC will pick apart Southern, Big South and OVC schools.

I think that is the old model. Agree that for many it is a waiting game on Texas, and what Bevo decides to inflict on the Big 12. Then everyone else can recombine. Unless you are generating a lot of revenue, the new G5 combinations will be MACish in footprint.

Texas won't be the prime mover.

A) there needs to be a P conf in the central part of the continent. It just doesn't make geographic sense for those schools to go West or East.

B) Texas maximizes its revenue in the Big 12. No other P conf would allow it to keep the LHN revenue to itself, so in any other P conf it would net less money overall

(04-23-2017 09:51 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  What I get out out of this is there are AD's of schools in both conferences that would prefer to have their team's in a more regional conference, to save cost and increase fan interest.

Yeah, maybe one or two in each.

And I would prefer to lie in bed next to a super model.


Doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Where it gets interesting is if one or two of the CUSA schools that are interested and already lie in the current Sunbelt footprint. The S Miss AD recently made comments that sound a lot like he might would be in favor of such a move to a more regional conference.

Louisiana is having a budget squeeze. Ditto in Mississippi. UAB is got budget issues as well. So, say S Miss, LaTech, UAB, and Old Dominion threatened to jump on their own. Forget needing a majority. Seein their future as a "left behind", others might suddenly warm to the idea as well. At that point, most all the schools might suddenly become far more interested in an organized reshuffle since an unorganized reshuffle appeared to be in the cards anyway.

(04-23-2017 05:04 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 03:49 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:46 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I say CUSA as is will not last 10 years.

Will any conference be unchanged 10 years from now?

The MAC is not certain to be unchanged in 2028, but it's certainly got a chance of being unchanged ... that is, in core memberships. Affiliate agreements are likely to change (indeed, could change in 2018, given Buffalo dropping men's soccer).

There was instability in the MAC in the 90's to early 2000's.

Membership was still in flux with NIU, Akron, Buffalo, Marshall, UCF, Temple and UMass all in or out of the football membership. Other schools didn't make moves but were thinking about it.

At this point which has only been a few years the MAC is the most stable as its ever been. 12 members is about the average size for a D1 conference so the idea the MAC has too many mouth to feed is no longer true. Baseball is only 10 starting next season. Plenty of bowl games out there these days for the MAC too. MAC schools have stepped it up some in FB/BB salaries to a level more normative with the G5.

The traditional reasons of wanting out of the MAC don't exist.

(04-23-2017 10:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Texas won't be the prime mover.

A) there needs to be a P conf in the central part of the continent. It just doesn't make geographic sense for those schools to go West or East.

B) Texas maximizes its revenue in the Big 12. No other P conf would allow it to keep the LHN revenue to itself, so in any other P conf it would net less money overall

That's been my theory all along. Texas has flirted with the Pac-12 3 times just since the 1990's. All 3 times it decided to stay in a central time zone conference. In the end---I think that will always be the case. Why would UT want to lose control of the conference, fly its teams 1000's of miles away to play games that end when 80% of the nation is already in bed? Why would UT want to play in conference where games end when most of the Central time zone is in bed? Ask Astros fans how they feel about the west. Why would UT put their athletic teams at the disadvantage of playing HALF their games in other times zones and elevations when their competition would only play ONE game in another time zone? Why would Texas choose to market themselves to only 20% of the population when they could stay central or east and market themselves to 80% of the population?

There are a lot of reasons why UT has always ultimately said no to the Pac12. They ARE a good institutional match---but they are not a locational or logistical match. In the end, the Pac12 has been nothing more than an extremely useful lever in negotiating the very best deal for UT with their conference mates and their networks. I think the Pac12 will continue in that role when 2024 rolls around.