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(04-20-2017 07:26 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

Spare us your positive comments blew.

Didn't you pay any attention to Razor's directive over on the recruiting thread: "If you disagree I can only assume you are a vcu troll who wants to see the program fail ."

Negative comments only on this forum, or we will disparage your character.

You are funny,Adopted King. I will try to keep my positive comments to a minimum. On the flip side I have to admit I agree with a few of RR comments about the program at ODU. I don't like our style of play either. I think our style of play and our recruiting problems go hand in hand. What I don't like about RR is his attacks on individuals who disagree with him. But overall I don't pay much attention to any of the arguing between posters.

(04-20-2017 06:52 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 10:32 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 07:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So anyone still think it wasnt playing time?

Or did Jones give him a call and offer him his scholarship back after having to dismiss Talley and missing out on Yetna?

See how that speculation thing works?

Just a day or two ago you were preaching how hard it was to find minutes at the 1-3 positions as the reason that Haynes and Fields left. Nothing has changed since then, unless somebody else has left and it hasn't come out yet.

Talley's dismissal opens up quite a few minutes of playing time. So I would say a lot has changed

Haynes does not play the same position as Talley. If his dismissal opens up PT for Haynes, that only highlights the problems that we have... no SF aside from the grad transfer that will probably have to play PF instead since Kah doesn't play and Porter and Stith can't play 40 minutes and will inevitably have to deal with foul trouble even if they could.

(04-20-2017 07:25 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

I love hearing that. Didn't you say in a past post that you expect Hueitt to enter the starting lineup by the end of the year?

A buddy of mine has been hoping to see the starting lineup of:

1. Caver
2. Green
3. BJ
4. Kah (kah guards the 4 but is probably guarded by the 5)
5. Brandan (guards the 5 but is probably guarded by the 4)

Reserves:

1. Haynes
2. Hueitt
3. McClinton
4. Carver
5. Porter

That is pretty deep everywhere. I am just guessing that Godwin is going to redshirt.

What we should see is

Caver
BJ/Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
McClinton
Stith
Porter

Actually a decent starting 5 with a lot of depth at SG. Problem is we have no depth anywhere else. We have no other PGs eligible next year so we'll have to stick in a SG there to spell Caver. If Caver stays healthy, not a big deal as he doesn't get in foul trouble and can go 36 minutes+. Carver (sorry but I am not impressed) and Kah are really SFs, but they'll be needed to spell Stith and Porter, which will lead to mismatches and a weak frontcourt. This means our glut of SGs will be playing SF. We are going to be undersized and shallow at every position other than SG, which isn't good in JJ's system.

(04-20-2017 08:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:25 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

I love hearing that. Didn't you say in a past post that you expect Hueitt to enter the starting lineup by the end of the year?

A buddy of mine has been hoping to see the starting lineup of:

1. Caver
2. Green
3. BJ
4. Kah (kah guards the 4 but is probably guarded by the 5)
5. Brandan (guards the 5 but is probably guarded by the 4)

Reserves:

1. Haynes
2. Hueitt
3. McClinton
4. Carver
5. Porter

That is pretty deep everywhere. I am just guessing that Godwin is going to redshirt.

What we should see is

Caver
BJ/Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
McClinton
Stith
Porter

Actually a decent starting 5 with a lot of depth at SG. Problem is we have no depth anywhere else. We have no other PGs eligible next year so we'll have to stick in a SG there to spell Caver. If Caver stays healthy, not a big deal as he doesn't get in foul trouble and can go 36 minutes+. Carver (sorry but I am not impressed) and Kah are really SFs, but they'll be needed to spell Stith and Porter, which will lead to mismatches and a weak frontcourt. This means our glut of SGs will be playing SF. We are going to be undersized and shallow at every position other than SG, which isn't good in JJ's system.

In no way is Kah a 3.

Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

Everyone excludes the development of players. I don't get it.

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

Thanks, my point exactly.

(04-20-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone excludes the development of players. I don't get it.

Because we don't know who is going to develop and who isn't. Historically, we have someone develop leaps and bounds every couple or years.

We had Bazemore, Cooper, Hassell, Lee, VV, and Loughton... so 6 over about 12 years that made one think, "Holy schit, I can't believe how good he got."

Until I see someone else step up, I am assuming that will be Caver as he is the one that took the giant leap last year and Talley is out. To be fair, we would be due for one of these freshmen (Green, Hueitt, Godwin) to do the same, but that would be further down the road than next year.

(04-20-2017 08:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone excludes the development of players. I don't get it.

Because we don't know who is going to develop and who isn't. Historically, we have someone develop leaps and bounds every couple or years.

We had Bazemore, Cooper, Hassell, Lee, VV, and Loughton... so 6 over about 12 years that made one think, "Holy schit, I can't believe how good he got."

Until I see someone else step up, I am assuming that will be Caver as he is the one that took the giant leap last year and Talley is out. To be fair, we would be due for one of these freshmen (Green, Hueitt, Godwin) to do the same, but that would be further down the road than next year.

I would say BJ made a huge leap from the beginning of the season to the end.

(04-19-2017 10:32 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 07:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So anyone still think it wasnt playing time?

Or did Jones give him a call and offer him his scholarship back after having to dismiss Talley and missing out on Yetna?

See how that speculation thing works?

Just a day or two ago you were preaching how hard it was to find minutes at the 1-3 positions as the reason that Haynes and Fields left. Nothing has changed since then, unless somebody else has left and it hasn't come out yet.

Something has changed....Talley left! What are you talking about?

Lets see: Prior to Talley dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, he will likely see time. Is that really hard to understand?

Haynes was leaving because of PT; I can tell you that. He came back when a spot opened. Believe what you want.

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

You are more connected than me, but the guys I've talked to love Green and they hope Kah figures out his role this offseason.

But, it is my understanding, they think between Hueitt, Pinckney, and Green; they can cover the backup PG minutes...though they were discourage from Green being a PG. His handles are good, but he's more effective in the open court with the ball in his hands.

(04-20-2017 08:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:25 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

I love hearing that. Didn't you say in a past post that you expect Hueitt to enter the starting lineup by the end of the year?

A buddy of mine has been hoping to see the starting lineup of:

1. Caver
2. Green
3. BJ
4. Kah (kah guards the 4 but is probably guarded by the 5)
5. Brandan (guards the 5 but is probably guarded by the 4)

Reserves:

1. Haynes
2. Hueitt
3. McClinton
4. Carver
5. Porter

That is pretty deep everywhere. I am just guessing that Godwin is going to redshirt.

What we should see is

Caver
BJ/Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
McClinton
Stith
Porter

Actually a decent starting 5 with a lot of depth at SG. Problem is we have no depth anywhere else. We have no other PGs eligible next year so we'll have to stick in a SG there to spell Caver. If Caver stays healthy, not a big deal as he doesn't get in foul trouble and can go 36 minutes+. Carver (sorry but I am not impressed) and Kah are really SFs, but they'll be needed to spell Stith and Porter, which will lead to mismatches and a weak frontcourt. This means our glut of SGs will be playing SF. We are going to be undersized and shallow at every position other than SG, which isn't good in JJ's system.

I am not one to be all positive and stuff but I disagree with some of your concerns. I don't think the difference between 2 and 3 matters much these days. I would be just as happy (or happier) with three guards, and we do have a wealth of wings. McClinton sounds like he can't shoot, so I hope we only see him at the 4. Also, we do have a back up PG its Pinckney. He made not be all conference, but the small sample I saw last year leads me to believe he can be fine playing a few minutes a game.

I think our problems are more youth in the back court and a piecemeal front court that just isn't that good, especially if JJ refuses to let Kah play. I am not a huge Brandan fan, and while I like Porter's game, it seems his diabetes keeps him from playing a ton of minutes. And I definitely don't see Carver as someone who plays a lot of minutes on a NCAAT team.

Beyond all of that, I just don't see JJ letting the talent of all of our young guards/wings shine. There seems to be a good bit of talent 1-3, but I just don't see that translating to a great team under JJ, especially while those guys are young.

(04-20-2017 08:13 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:25 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:11 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  The player who has really looked good in practice is Green. I have read here where someone is saying he will play point guard...absolutely not happening. But Green will get a lot of Talley's minutes. Also expect to see a lot more of Allasane Kah.

I love hearing that. Didn't you say in a past post that you expect Hueitt to enter the starting lineup by the end of the year?

A buddy of mine has been hoping to see the starting lineup of:

1. Caver
2. Green
3. BJ
4. Kah (kah guards the 4 but is probably guarded by the 5)
5. Brandan (guards the 5 but is probably guarded by the 4)

Reserves:

1. Haynes
2. Hueitt
3. McClinton
4. Carver
5. Porter

That is pretty deep everywhere. I am just guessing that Godwin is going to redshirt.

What we should see is

Caver
BJ/Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
McClinton
Stith
Porter

Actually a decent starting 5 with a lot of depth at SG. Problem is we have no depth anywhere else. We have no other PGs eligible next year so we'll have to stick in a SG there to spell Caver. If Caver stays healthy, not a big deal as he doesn't get in foul trouble and can go 36 minutes+. Carver (sorry but I am not impressed) and Kah are really SFs, but they'll be needed to spell Stith and Porter, which will lead to mismatches and a weak frontcourt. This means our glut of SGs will be playing SF. We are going to be undersized and shallow at every position other than SG, which isn't good in JJ's system.

That lineup will never work. You are clogging the paint with 3 players and forcing a hybrid 4 to play next to 2 big guys that are mainly effective in the paint.

If Mcclinton sees a few minutes at the 3, it is going to be next to a guy like Carver or Kah who spread the floor a little more.

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

It's because they got word from Wake fans that he primarily played the 3. Of course he played the 3. John Collins and Devin Thomas occupied the 4 and they didn't leave the court very often.

(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

No argument with your general philosophy, it just doesn't fit in with JJ's system. When you play a slow, halfcourt game and man to man defense, how can you argue for positionless basketball? How does BJ effectively guard and rebound against a Ben Finney in the halfcourt? How does Aaron Carver stop a 6'9" 230 lb PF bulldozing down the lane? I know we don't see a ton of that and in most games we can hold our own, but I just don't see how we go anywhere (beating MTSU, and winning games in the NCAAs) when we are this undersized against good teams while pushing for a halfcourt game. I just cannot circle that square.

(04-20-2017 08:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 10:32 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 07:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So anyone still think it wasnt playing time?

Or did Jones give him a call and offer him his scholarship back after having to dismiss Talley and missing out on Yetna?

See how that speculation thing works?

Just a day or two ago you were preaching how hard it was to find minutes at the 1-3 positions as the reason that Haynes and Fields left. Nothing has changed since then, unless somebody else has left and it hasn't come out yet.

Something has changed....Talley left! What are you talking about?

Lets see: Prior to Talley dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, he will likely see time. Is that really hard to understand?

Haynes was leaving because of PT; I can tell you that. He came back when a spot opened. Believe what you want.

And then something else changed ..... McClinton transferred to ODU! Did you conveniently leave him out of the mix to fit your argument?

Lets see: Prior to Talley's dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, but have added MCCLINTON (a senior) from Wake Forrest who plays the same position as TALLEY. Net result is that he is still behind two players (BJ & McClinton), and according to your earlier post the additions of Heuitt, Godwin, and Green are further eating up minutes at the 1-3 positions so nothing there has changed, other than possible getting even worse for him as far as playing time goes. Is that really hard to understand?

I actually agree with an earlier poster that Haynes is a 2 and not a 3 playing behind Talley and BJ there, but am working with your theory that Haynes left because he had to play behind those two. Well guess what, he is still behind at least 2 (and possibly 3 if you count Godwin) so your theory of 'playing time' while possible (who knows what's in a kids mind), is not the absolute that you are pushing it to be.

(04-20-2017 09:53 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 10:32 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 07:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So anyone still think it wasnt playing time?

Or did Jones give him a call and offer him his scholarship back after having to dismiss Talley and missing out on Yetna?

See how that speculation thing works?

Just a day or two ago you were preaching how hard it was to find minutes at the 1-3 positions as the reason that Haynes and Fields left. Nothing has changed since then, unless somebody else has left and it hasn't come out yet.

Something has changed....Talley left! What are you talking about?

Lets see: Prior to Talley dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, he will likely see time. Is that really hard to understand?

Haynes was leaving because of PT; I can tell you that. He came back when a spot opened. Believe what you want.

And then something else changed ..... McClinton transferred to ODU! Did you conveniently leave him out of the mix to fit your argument?

Lets see: Prior to Talley's dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, but have added MCCLINTON (a senior) from Wake Forrest who plays the same position as TALLEY. Net result is that he is still behind two players (BJ & McClinton), and according to your earlier post the additions of Heuitt, Godwin, and Green are further eating up minutes at the 1-3 positions so nothing there has changed, other than possible getting even worse for him as far as playing time goes. Is that really hard to understand?

I actually agree with an earlier poster that Haynes is a 2 and not a 3 playing behind Talley and BJ there, but an working with your theory that Haynes left because he had to play behind those two. Well guess what, he is still behind at least 2 (and possibly 3 if you count Godwin) so your theory of 'playing time' while possible (who knows what's in a kids mind), is not the absolute that you are pushing it to be.

I believe McClinton had already committed, but either way, he's arrival doesn't affect Haynes where Talley's dismissal does. It's not rocket science. Unless Godwin and Hueitt are very good players on day 1, Haynes is going to play a lot.

(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

(04-20-2017 10:02 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?