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If he plays the 4, the mismatch goes both ways. McClinton will be able to put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. They will not be able to leave him alone at the free throw line.
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(04-20-2017 09:55 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(04-19-2017 07:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So anyone still think it wasnt playing time?

Or did Jones give him a call and offer him his scholarship back after having to dismiss Talley and missing out on Yetna?

See how that speculation thing works?

Just a day or two ago you were preaching how hard it was to find minutes at the 1-3 positions as the reason that Haynes and Fields left. Nothing has changed since then, unless somebody else has left and it hasn't come out yet.


Something has changed....Talley left! What are you talking about?

Lets see: Prior to Talley dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, he will likely see time. Is that really hard to understand?

Haynes was leaving because of PT; I can tell you that. He came back when a spot opened. Believe what you want.

And then something else changed ..... McClinton transferred to ODU! Did you conveniently leave him out of the mix to fit your argument?

Lets see: Prior to Talley's dismissal, Haynes would have struggled to find playing time; now that we lost Talley, but have added MCCLINTON (a senior) from Wake Forrest who plays the same position as TALLEY. Net result is that he is still behind two players (BJ & McClinton), and according to your earlier post the additions of Heuitt, Godwin, and Green are further eating up minutes at the 1-3 positions so nothing there has changed, other than possible getting even worse for him as far as playing time goes. Is that really hard to understand?

I actually agree with an earlier poster that Haynes is a 2 and not a 3 playing behind Talley and BJ there, but an working with your theory that Haynes left because he had to play behind those two. Well guess what, he is still behind at least 2 (and possibly 3 if you count Godwin) so your theory of 'playing time' while possible (who knows what's in a kids mind), is not the absolute that you are pushing it to be.

I believe McClinton had already committed, but either way, he's arrival doesn't affect Haynes where Talley's dismissal does. It's not rocket science. Unless Godwin and Hueitt are very good players on day 1, Haynes is going to play a lot.

My mistake about the order of McClinton' arrival as he did come prior to Talley's departure although he may have been brought in because the handwriting was on the wall already about Talley's departure. Since they are both playing the 3 (along with BJ), I don't agree with you that one (Talley) impacts Haynes's playing time but the other one (McClinton) doesn't.

Haynes really shouldn't even be in competition with any of them since he should just be playing the 2 anyway. There his main competition should be Greene, Hueitt, and Godwin. If that is the case then none of that changed either before or after he left.
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No offense to anyone, but I haven't seen anywhere where Haynes changed his mind. Are we sure that's accurate?
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So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."
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(04-20-2017 10:21 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  No offense to anyone, but I haven't seen anywhere where Haynes changed his mind. Are we sure that's accurate?

I trust blewbyu. He's been right about a lot.
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(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

Maybe Hueitt will be designated to the 2 but I think you are correct about the others.
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(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

It would be logical to suspect Jones told Miller where he intends to play McClinton this season.
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(04-20-2017 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?

Per the links below Talley and McClinton are identical in both height (6'-7") and weight (200 lbs.).

It's entirely possible that ODU will have a Talley clone playing in place of Denzel Taylor next season. Coach Jones has made a habit of playing smaller than normal players at several positions. There were times when even Denzel at 6'-7", 220 lbs was small against his competition. It ought to be even more telling to put someone smaller and weaker in his place.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-mcclinton

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...SID=750496
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(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

If you are asking me then no, I haven't accused him of lying. Don't know why you would even ask that.

As far as McClinton goes, he SHOULD be playing the 3 since that is where he played in high school and also for three years at Wake Forrest (4 if you included his red shirt year). Now suddenly he transfers to ODU and he is best suited to play power forward? At 6'-7" , 200 LBS? Does that make sense to you?

If ODU was going to start playing a full court press, half court zone defense, and fast break offense then I could maybe see it. I seriously doubt that will ever happen under Jones. If McClinton plays the 4 at that weight he will likely get schooled by some of the bigger power forwards he would have to body up to in ODU's man-to-man defense. Denzel was a bigger body than McClinton and probably at least as good of a defender and rebounder (likely better).
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BJ played a lot at the 3 spot last year. He started at the 3 for the second half of the season. There are a lot of minutes up for grabs with Talley leaving. BJ will almost exclusively play the three spot this season, which opens up a ton of minutes at the 2. This team is still deep and relatively experienced. I think we will see Green and Hueitt both get quality minutes off the bench. The 2 and 3 spots are interchangeable as this team will almost exclusively play a 3 guard lineup. Pretty common these days.

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(04-20-2017 10:42 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:02 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 08:25 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Is Pinckney not eligible next year? I'd also argue that Kah and Carver fall more into the 4 slot than the 3. Carver just doesn't have the handling or the range that a 3 would need. BJ also started at the 3 position last year, so I think it'd be safe to say he'd fill that role next year as well. Godwin also has potential playing the 3.

Caver/Pinckney
Green/Hueitt/Haynes/Godwin
BJ/McClinton/Godwin
Carver/Kah
Stith/Porter

A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?

Per the links below Talley and McClinton are identical in both height (6'-7") and weight (200 lbs.).

It's entirely possible that ODU will have a Talley clone playing in place of Denzel Taylor next season. Coach Jones has made a habit of playing smaller than normal players at several positions. There were times when even Denzel at 6'-7", 220 lbs was small against his competition. It ought to be even more telling to put someone smaller and weaker in his place.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-mcclinton

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...SID=750496

Regardless of the weight listed by ESPN or ODU, have you seen both guys up close? Talley is rail thin. MCClinton is by no means a big guy, but he's thicker and likely stronger than Talley. More importantly, have you seen both defend players down low?
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(04-20-2017 11:01 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

If you are asking me then no, I haven't accused him of lying. Don't know why you would even ask that.

As far as McClinton goes, he SHOULD be playing the 3 since that is where he played in high school and also for three years at Wake Forrest (4 if you included his red shirt year). Now suddenly he transfers to ODU and he is best suited to play power forward? At 6'-7" , 200 LBS? Does that make sense to you?

If ODU was going to start playing a full court press, half court zone defense, and fast break offense then I could maybe see it. I seriously doubt that will ever happen under Jones. If McClinton plays the 4 at that weight he will likely get schooled by some of the bigger power forwards he would have to body up to in ODU's man-to-man defense. Denzel was a bigger body than McClinton and probably at least as good of a defender and rebounder (likely better).

So you should probably differentiate what you think Jones should do with what he will actually do.
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(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

I am actually with Giles on this one. McClinton was brought in to play the 4. Ed flat out said it. It was also said that he will be a Denzel type of player.

There was zero reason to sign him if he is a 3. We had Talley, BJ, and all of the freshmen to play the Guard/wing spots. Adding to that log jam would have made no sense. The 4 spot, on the other hand, is a massive weak spot. JJ seems unwilling to play Porter and Stith together, so assume they are both 5s and we are left with Carver who, in my opinion, cannot be a starter and Kah who JJ seems unwilling to play.
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(04-20-2017 11:01 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

If you are asking me then no, I haven't accused him of lying. Don't know why you would even ask that.

As far as McClinton goes, he SHOULD be playing the 3 since that is where he played in high school and also for three years at Wake Forrest (4 if you included his red shirt year). Now suddenly he transfers to ODU and he is best suited to play power forward? At 6'-7" , 200 LBS? Does that make sense to you?

If ODU was going to start playing a full court press, half court zone defense, and fast break offense then I could maybe see it. I seriously doubt that will ever happen under Jones. If McClinton plays the 4 at that weight he will likely get schooled by some of the bigger power forwards he would have to body up to in ODU's man-to-man defense. Denzel was a bigger body than McClinton and probably at least as good of a defender and rebounder (likely better).

Okay, I think I can agree with this version mostly. But if he SHOULD be a three, then he SHOULD NOT have been recruited. We don't need a 3. He definitely seems a little light to play the 4, but I have to admit, I have very little idea what his game actually looks like.
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(04-20-2017 11:33 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

I am actually with Giles on this one. McClinton was brought in to play the 4. Ed flat out said it. It was also said that he will be a Denzel type of player.

There was zero reason to sign him if he is a 3. We had Talley, BJ, and all of the freshmen to play the Guard/wing spots. Adding to that log jam would have made no sense. The 4 spot, on the other hand, is a massive weak spot. JJ seems unwilling to play Porter and Stith together, so assume they are both 5s and we are left with Carver who, in my opinion, cannot be a starter and Kah who JJ seems unwilling to play.

Thank you!!!! Jones will play him where he is needed.
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(04-20-2017 11:33 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

I am actually with Giles on this one. McClinton was brought in to play the 4. Ed flat out said it. It was also said that he will be a Denzel type of player.

There was zero reason to sign him if he is a 3. We had Talley, BJ, and all of the freshmen to play the Guard/wing spots. Adding to that log jam would have made no sense. The 4 spot, on the other hand, is a massive weak spot. JJ seems unwilling to play Porter and Stith together, so assume they are both 5s and we are left with Carver who, in my opinion, cannot be a starter and Kah who JJ seems unwilling to play.

Just want to check and make sure you understand why Kah got hardly any playing time. He was a liability on defense. Hoping he will be much improved next season
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(04-20-2017 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(04-20-2017 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(04-20-2017 09:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  A lot of those positions are interchangeable. Teams are moving more and more to positionless basketball. The wing players can all handle the 2/3 spots. McClinton is expected to primarily play the 4; Ed Miller says it; I'm not sure why people think he's lying or something.

McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?

Per the links below Talley and McClinton are identical in both height (6'-7") and weight (200 lbs.).

It's entirely possible that ODU will have a Talley clone playing in place of Denzel Taylor next season. Coach Jones has made a habit of playing smaller than normal players at several positions. There were times when even Denzel at 6'-7", 220 lbs was small against his competition. It ought to be even more telling to put someone smaller and weaker in his place.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-mcclinton

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...SID=750496

Regardless of the weight listed by ESPN or ODU, have you seen both guys up close? Talley is rail thin. MCClinton is by no means a big guy, but he's thicker and likely stronger than Talley. More importantly, have you seen both defend players down low?

Yes, yes I have to both of your questions.

You can only fill out 6'-7" and 200 pounds so many ways. Talley was 'rail thin' because he had very little body fat and more muscle in his body mass from working out. Remember that shirtless team photo taken in the summer from the guys after they worked out ... 6 pack abs?

Neither Talley nor McClinton are well suited at 6'-7" and 200 pounds to play PF in Division 1 with the man-to-man grind it out defensive style that Jeff prefers. If he ends up as our power forward then I hope he works hard in the weight room this off season and adds about 20 pounds of muscle mass if he is indeed still at 200 pounds coming into ODU.
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(04-20-2017 12:18 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:42 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:02 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  McClinton according to every Wake Forrest fan that posted on their fan forum in answering my exact question of whether he was a 3 or a 4 responded that he was definitely a 3 and not a 4. I guess three years of college basketball playing history from McClinton at Wake ought to be worth something in defining his position.

If McClinton is no bigger than Talley was, which is what the physical stats that I have managed to find on him indicate, and he ends up playing the power forward position at ODU this season, then we are in trouble against all but a select few teams.

McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?

Per the links below Talley and McClinton are identical in both height (6'-7") and weight (200 lbs.).

It's entirely possible that ODU will have a Talley clone playing in place of Denzel Taylor next season. Coach Jones has made a habit of playing smaller than normal players at several positions. There were times when even Denzel at 6'-7", 220 lbs was small against his competition. It ought to be even more telling to put someone smaller and weaker in his place.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-mcclinton

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...SID=750496

Regardless of the weight listed by ESPN or ODU, have you seen both guys up close? Talley is rail thin. MCClinton is by no means a big guy, but he's thicker and likely stronger than Talley. More importantly, have you seen both defend players down low?

Yes, yes I have to both of your questions.

You can only fill out 6'-7" and 200 pounds so many ways. Talley was 'rail thin' because he had very little body fat and more muscle in his body mass from working out. Remember that shirtless team photo taken in the summer from the guys after they worked out ... 6 pack abs?

Neither Talley nor McClinton are well suited at 6'-7" and 200 pounds to play PF in Division 1 with the man-to-man grind it out defensive style that Jeff prefers. If he ends up as our power forward then I hope he works hard in the weight room this off season and adds about 20 pounds of muscle mass if he is indeed still at 200 pounds coming into ODU.

If we are at the point where we are trying to "develop" grad transfers, we are in worse shape than I thought.
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(04-20-2017 11:54 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 11:33 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:24 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So you believe Miller is lying and McClinton is going to primarily play the 3?

The 2/3 spots will be spread out between Hueitt, Godwin, Stith, Green, and Haynes. There is not going to be guys designated as only a "2" or only a "3."

I am actually with Giles on this one. McClinton was brought in to play the 4. Ed flat out said it. It was also said that he will be a Denzel type of player.

There was zero reason to sign him if he is a 3. We had Talley, BJ, and all of the freshmen to play the Guard/wing spots. Adding to that log jam would have made no sense. The 4 spot, on the other hand, is a massive weak spot. JJ seems unwilling to play Porter and Stith together, so assume they are both 5s and we are left with Carver who, in my opinion, cannot be a starter and Kah who JJ seems unwilling to play.

Thank you!!!! Jones will play him where he is needed.

I totally agree that ODU needs help at the 4. Jones should probably have recruited a 4 to play there instead of getting a 3 in McClinton's case if that is what he is planning to do. I don't blame Jones for getting McClinton for one year. He was highly regarded as a 3 coming out of high school, played in the ACC, and if nothing else should provide solid depth off the bench even if he ended up playing the 3 at ODU.

Unless Jones plays Porter and Brandan together, I believe that Kah is the best hope for us if we are going to do well with that position. The key word there is 'hope'. My hope is that he has improved in the areas that he needed to show improvement by the time next season rolls around. I spoke with him at one of the September football games last year and when I asked him what position he would be playing he told me that he was a power forward. At 6'-9" with a bigger body and someone that can stretch the floor offensively at power forward that would be a big deal for ODU over having to go with a lightweight 6'-7" guy. Even Carver looked undersized at the position many times last season when filling in for Denzel.

I saw Mark West go from 195 pounds at the end of his sophomore season to 230 pounds at the beginning of his junior season so anything is possible. Mark was such a skinny 6'-10" his first two seasons but came back for his junior year looking like a transformed man. His game transformed with his increased power too. He was still the same shot blocker, but offensively was able to bang inside much more effectively.

To me, Brandan, Kah, and Vassor are the best suited size wise to play power forward. Skill set is a whole different matter though. Guys like Talley, McClinton and Carver may have the defensive technique and quickness (skill set) to play the position, but are hurt by their size. Denzel was exceptional with the skill set and had better size than any of those three yet at times even he had defensive issues with a bigger player that was offensively skilled. WKU, UAB, MTSU, UTEP, and LA Tech from year to year have among the bigger bodied front lines in the league. Coincidentally, those are the teams that traditionally compete for the league title, and are the ones that we have to beat to get back to the NCAA Tournament. I think it would be a good idea to at least be able to match up with them size wise.
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RE: Haynes and Fields leaving ODU
(04-20-2017 12:28 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 12:18 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:42 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:07 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  McClinton is certainly stronger and thicker than Talley and has a completely different game than Talley does. Who would you trust on where McClinton will play for ODU; Ed Miller or a couple random internet posters from Wake Forrest?

Per the links below Talley and McClinton are identical in both height (6'-7") and weight (200 lbs.).

It's entirely possible that ODU will have a Talley clone playing in place of Denzel Taylor next season. Coach Jones has made a habit of playing smaller than normal players at several positions. There were times when even Denzel at 6'-7", 220 lbs was small against his competition. It ought to be even more telling to put someone smaller and weaker in his place.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-mcclinton

http://www.odusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...SID=750496

Regardless of the weight listed by ESPN or ODU, have you seen both guys up close? Talley is rail thin. MCClinton is by no means a big guy, but he's thicker and likely stronger than Talley. More importantly, have you seen both defend players down low?

Yes, yes I have to both of your questions.

You can only fill out 6'-7" and 200 pounds so many ways. Talley was 'rail thin' because he had very little body fat and more muscle in his body mass from working out. Remember that shirtless team photo taken in the summer from the guys after they worked out ... 6 pack abs?

Neither Talley nor McClinton are well suited at 6'-7" and 200 pounds to play PF in Division 1 with the man-to-man grind it out defensive style that Jeff prefers. If he ends up as our power forward then I hope he works hard in the weight room this off season and adds about 20 pounds of muscle mass if he is indeed still at 200 pounds coming into ODU.

If we are at the point where we are trying to "develop" grad transfers, we are in worse shape than I thought.

It is a scary thought, though I doubt coach Jones is actually trying to "develop" McClinton into a bigger bodied player although he no doubt will join the rest of the guys in the off season weight room conditioning program.
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