(04-10-2017 11:03 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:51 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:49 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:47 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:44 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  But I'm sure you think Tubby does.

No. I don't, but he hasn't publicly quit.

These guys would remarry their first wives to get a better settlement.

Keelon was demoted and then frozen out by Tubby and his staff. What would you do?

Lines have already been drawn in the sand.

You're arguing with people who have decided the Lawsons are cancerous pieces of shtt.

At that point, all you can do is let time be the true judge.

And it will.

Please. No one smart thinks they are cancerous. The Lawsons are good people. It just didn't work out between them and Coach Smith. These things happen. We would be better with them, but it is what it is.

I feel for Papa, it is hard to make the jump from HS to college. I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

(04-10-2017 11:11 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

Certainly not brains.

(04-10-2017 11:12 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:11 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

Certainly not brains.

Slot cars ?

(04-10-2017 11:12 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:11 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

Certainly not brains.

Hahaha

My IQ is above average and I have 4 degrees, so I don't think that is the problem. My problem is I tell the truth to idiots, it's a compulsion, I can't stop. I compare it to being a heroin addict.

I wish there was a 12 step program.

Well! I don't know. I'm so confused of what/who should stay, go, or come. Some say Penny should come, but I don't know about that. I read an article about it once. What happens if something goes wrong with Penny and the fans? Please someone help me out here to answer this!
Thanks!

(04-10-2017 11:17 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:12 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:11 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

Certainly not brains.

Hahaha

My IQ is above average and I have 4 degrees, so I don't think that is the problem. My problem is I tell the truth to idiots, it's a compulsion, I can't stop. I compare it to being a heroin addict.

I wish there was a 12 step program.

More like a crack whore.

(04-10-2017 11:20 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:17 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:12 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:11 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm having a similar problem with my career, unfortunately I don't have anything to barter with.

Certainly not brains.

Hahaha

My IQ is above average and I have 4 degrees, so I don't think that is the problem. My problem is I tell the truth to idiots, it's a compulsion, I can't stop. I compare it to being a heroin addict.

I wish there was a 12 step program.

More like a crack whore.

Some similarities. I do have an itch to open my mouth, when it would be better if I kept it shut.

(04-10-2017 10:56 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:52 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:42 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:41 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:09 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Parrish has admitted to being close, personal friends with Steve Forbes and his wife.

How does Parrish have any credibility at all as a journalist? He's crossed the line of observe and report.

That said, I posted on this board before they hired Tubby that they should have hired Forbes.

I didn't know that, but it certainly puts some things in perspective.

Again...doesn't mean he's not on to something here...

Could be, but there are holes in his "solution". I don't think he's correct when he says Smith would take eight million to walk away. Smith loves coaching and if he just wanted to coach somewhere without high expectations, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, where they were already talking a raise and contract extension for him. The pressure in Lubbock is a lot less than Memphis; the coach who replaced Smith still has overwhelming support from the fans and media there, even though he took over an NCAA tourney team with a bunch of players coming back and didn't make any post season. I don't think money has been Smith's prime motivation for a long time.

From his words and those of his assistants, he sees Memphis as a place where he can accomplish great things at a school that places a priority on basketball, after coaching at Minnesota and Texas Tech. The idea that he would take a buyout to escape "the pressure" after one year doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as I see it.

Fair enough. But by listening to some of his comments and reading between the lines, this job isn't what he expected. And it's PROBABLY only going to get worse. Next season will be brutal, unless he does something VERY unlikely. Does he want to put up with all that? Maybe...I don't know how he views that possibility. But I do know that if I was rich, accomplished, and older...I wouldn't want to deal with it. Especially if someone gave me $8M to walk away.

But - these guys are different. I'm just saying...IF that was a possibility, I'd be all for it.

I would probably make the same decision as you, but like you said, these guys are different. And this isn't the worst situation that Smith has faced in the past few years. The Texas Tech situation was a true dumpster fire and the prospects after year one there looked bleaker than things do for Memphis now. And that was only three years ago. I agree he probably hoped to have more stability in the roster this year and hoped that things would have worked out with the Lawsons, but he knew about the environment at Memphis.

I try not to read too much between the lines of someone's statements, but Smith's actions don't strike me as someone ready to hang it up. There was a recent article that talked about how much he was in contact with Darrington's people and the relationship that he had built there. Doesn't sound like he's looking for a way out.

But, hey, I could be wrong. As others have said, time will tell. I remain optimistic, but I can understand why others are less so.

(04-10-2017 11:10 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:55 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I thought I heard that GP said on the radio last week he had tried to call David Rudd during the coaching search to give him advice. A journalist is supposed to observe and report, not involve themselves in the situation! I realize that the industry has changed as media and new technology have evolved, but I still can't believe a so-called journalist is so blatantly crossing the boundary of objectivity. It's unreal. How can you be fair when reporting on someone you are close, personal friends with or a university president who wouldn't return your calls for unsolicited advice?

Yep, and surprisingly he admitted that the way he reached out to Rudd was "probably inappropriate."

But then he went on to whine about how Rudd never gave called him back to consult him. Went on and on about nobody in this city knows the program better than he (GP) does and then bragged about how ADs and Associate ADs from all over the country call him all the time to ask for advice on specific coaches.

I would be willing to bet that Parrish makes out with his mirror when he gets home at night.

Is Parrish the guy who was recently complaining that no one on the staff had reached out to him to get his advice about Memphis basketball?

(04-10-2017 11:20 AM)Steve davis Wrote:  Well! I don't know. I'm so confused of what/who should stay, go, or come. Some say Penny should come, but I don't know about that. I read an article about it once. What happens if something goes wrong with Penny and the fans? Please someone help me out here to answer this!
Thanks!

The chances of us lucking out again and having another school hiring away our coach, thus relieving us of a 2nd consecutive bad coaching contract, are minimal.

Tubby will be with us for at least 2 more years, so we might as well make the best of it.

(04-10-2017 11:25 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:56 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:52 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:42 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:41 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  I didn't know that, but it certainly puts some things in perspective.

Again...doesn't mean he's not on to something here...

Could be, but there are holes in his "solution". I don't think he's correct when he says Smith would take eight million to walk away. Smith loves coaching and if he just wanted to coach somewhere without high expectations, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, where they were already talking a raise and contract extension for him. The pressure in Lubbock is a lot less than Memphis; the coach who replaced Smith still has overwhelming support from the fans and media there, even though he took over an NCAA tourney team with a bunch of players coming back and didn't make any post season. I don't think money has been Smith's prime motivation for a long time.

From his words and those of his assistants, he sees Memphis as a place where he can accomplish great things at a school that places a priority on basketball, after coaching at Minnesota and Texas Tech. The idea that he would take a buyout to escape "the pressure" after one year doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as I see it.

Fair enough. But by listening to some of his comments and reading between the lines, this job isn't what he expected. And it's PROBABLY only going to get worse. Next season will be brutal, unless he does something VERY unlikely. Does he want to put up with all that? Maybe...I don't know how he views that possibility. But I do know that if I was rich, accomplished, and older...I wouldn't want to deal with it. Especially if someone gave me $8M to walk away.

But - these guys are different. I'm just saying...IF that was a possibility, I'd be all for it.

I would probably make the same decision as you, but like you said, these guys are different. And this isn't the worst situation that Smith has faced in the past few years. The Texas Tech situation was a true dumpster fire and the prospects after year one there looked bleaker than things do for Memphis now. And that was only three years ago. I agree he probably hoped to have more stability in the roster this year and hoped that things would have worked out with the Lawsons, but he knew about the environment at Memphis.

I try not to read too much between the lines of someone's statements, but Smith's actions don't strike me as someone ready to hang it up. There was a recent article that talked about how much he was in contact with Darrington's people and the relationship that he had built there. Doesn't sound like he's looking for a way out.

But, hey, I could be wrong. As others have said, time will tell. I remain optimistic, but I can understand why others are less so.

Who is Parrish? I don't know who this guy is. I've never heard of him. I don't know the radio people in Memphis. I've never lived in Memphis, and can't get their stations.

(04-10-2017 11:31 AM)Steve davis Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:25 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:56 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:52 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:42 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Again...doesn't mean he's not on to something here...

Could be, but there are holes in his "solution". I don't think he's correct when he says Smith would take eight million to walk away. Smith loves coaching and if he just wanted to coach somewhere without high expectations, he would have stayed at Texas Tech, where they were already talking a raise and contract extension for him. The pressure in Lubbock is a lot less than Memphis; the coach who replaced Smith still has overwhelming support from the fans and media there, even though he took over an NCAA tourney team with a bunch of players coming back and didn't make any post season. I don't think money has been Smith's prime motivation for a long time.

From his words and those of his assistants, he sees Memphis as a place where he can accomplish great things at a school that places a priority on basketball, after coaching at Minnesota and Texas Tech. The idea that he would take a buyout to escape "the pressure" after one year doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as I see it.

Fair enough. But by listening to some of his comments and reading between the lines, this job isn't what he expected. And it's PROBABLY only going to get worse. Next season will be brutal, unless he does something VERY unlikely. Does he want to put up with all that? Maybe...I don't know how he views that possibility. But I do know that if I was rich, accomplished, and older...I wouldn't want to deal with it. Especially if someone gave me $8M to walk away.

But - these guys are different. I'm just saying...IF that was a possibility, I'd be all for it.

I would probably make the same decision as you, but like you said, these guys are different. And this isn't the worst situation that Smith has faced in the past few years. The Texas Tech situation was a true dumpster fire and the prospects after year one there looked bleaker than things do for Memphis now. And that was only three years ago. I agree he probably hoped to have more stability in the roster this year and hoped that things would have worked out with the Lawsons, but he knew about the environment at Memphis.

I try not to read too much between the lines of someone's statements, but Smith's actions don't strike me as someone ready to hang it up. There was a recent article that talked about how much he was in contact with Darrington's people and the relationship that he had built there. Doesn't sound like he's looking for a way out.

But, hey, I could be wrong. As others have said, time will tell. I remain optimistic, but I can understand why others are less so.

Who is Parrish? I don't know who this guy is. I've never heard of him. I don't know the radio people in Memphis. I've never lived in Memphis, and can't get their stations.

Gary is college beat writer for CBS. He is a Memphis, grad, worked at the Commercial Appeal as prep writer, then Tiger beat guy, and won awards for his coverage of the Albert Means recruiting saga.

(04-10-2017 09:24 AM)fsquid Wrote:  nope, successful people don't like to admit multi million dollar mistakes.

That's an interesting notion. In the current, startup economy, they seem to be more willing to (although there seems to be a split). This is the fail and learn quickly model of the "lean startup." It might be explained that the folks that do this aren't "successful" yet, and more willing to to change. Or, it may be explained that we self-select our evidence. Uber is resisting change to its abusive culture. So that could be evidence that disproves that argument.

Given the speed of ascent of new tech startups and their displacement of entrenched legacy corps in measures like the Fortune 500 and the like, the sooner they admit mistakes, the sooner their companies can change course. Assuming these successful people are still in exec positions and plan to be for many years. If one foot is out the door, mailing it in can still work.

But I digress.

(04-10-2017 09:50 AM)450bench Wrote:  It's way too early to judge Tubby, but if something were to change, Forbes would be the guy. Should have been the guy from the get go.

I knew you were still in there somewhere, lol

(04-10-2017 10:00 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Papa Lawson got pictures of this guy with a goat? I don't understand why people are so enamored with the Lawson's. Let them go.

As for Forbes, why is he still at ETSU? I think he is a good coach, but he ain't Izzo, or K. The only reason he is mentioned is because some people think they would have access if he were the coach.

He still has some Pearl on him?

(04-10-2017 11:49 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:00 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Papa Lawson got pictures of this guy with a goat? I don't understand why people are so enamored with the Lawson's. Let them go.

As for Forbes, why is he still at ETSU? I think he is a good coach, but he ain't Izzo, or K. The only reason he is mentioned is because some people think they would have access if he were the coach.

He still has some Pearl on him?

Maybe, but previous coaches who won more, failed when they left. You can't just look at the record, it will be inflated.

(04-10-2017 11:28 AM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:10 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:55 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I thought I heard that GP said on the radio last week he had tried to call David Rudd during the coaching search to give him advice. A journalist is supposed to observe and report, not involve themselves in the situation! I realize that the industry has changed as media and new technology have evolved, but I still can't believe a so-called journalist is so blatantly crossing the boundary of objectivity. It's unreal. How can you be fair when reporting on someone you are close, personal friends with or a university president who wouldn't return your calls for unsolicited advice?

Yep, and surprisingly he admitted that the way he reached out to Rudd was "probably inappropriate."

But then he went on to whine about how Rudd never gave called him back to consult him. Went on and on about nobody in this city knows the program better than he (GP) does and then bragged about how ADs and Associate ADs from all over the country call him all the time to ask for advice on specific coaches.

I would be willing to bet that Parrish makes out with his mirror when he gets home at night.

Is Parrish the guy who was recently complaining that no one on the staff had reached out to him to get his advice about Memphis basketball?

Yes. He said he gave the staff a list of 10 people in the area they needed to call and he doesn't think they've listened to him.

(04-10-2017 11:55 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:49 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:00 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Papa Lawson got pictures of this guy with a goat? I don't understand why people are so enamored with the Lawson's. Let them go.

As for Forbes, why is he still at ETSU? I think he is a good coach, but he ain't Izzo, or K. The only reason he is mentioned is because some people think they would have access if he were the coach.

He still has some Pearl on him?

Maybe, but previous coaches who won more, failed when they left. You can't just look at the record, it will be inflated.

You act like he's been there a decade. He's only been there 2 seasons. Maybe he's happy there? Didn't he just get a raise? Aren't you supposed to be a ETSU fan? You preferred Murray Bartow?

(04-10-2017 10:09 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Parrish has admitted to being close, personal friends with Steve Forbes and his wife.

How does Parrish have any credibility at all as a journalist? He's crossed the line of observe and report.

That said, I posted on this board before they hired Tubby that they should have hired Forbes.

So I agree with everything you just wrote. With that, i too am fine with Forbes. I personally want and feel like Penny should get his chance if he wants

Back to the OP

Just do it

You guys talk too much.