(10-26-2016 01:36 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:33 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  As I said Rivers was not even best player on SWCC and averaged under double digits and yes, someone who knows about this kind of thing wondered why we were recruiting him.

Well, how many people were recruiting the two 6-6 backups on Dayton who didn't get to start until the starting C and PF were injured in preseason?

How many folks were recruiting the 6-8 grad trans from Cleveland State who started on the Wichita NCAA team last year?

How many people were recruiting the Tulsa starters when they were in HS?

How many people were recruiting DJ Stephens?

Sometimes guys fall through the cracks.

All I've heard is that Tubby likes his skillset and talent.

Time will tell on the rest, but you can continue to argue it all day long if you want.

If? You still have doubts?

(10-26-2016 03:14 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 03:02 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:57 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Deflection?

Deflecting what? I'm guessing you are a millennial although you will try to deny it. Saw a poll today where millennials favor Clinton over Trump by 27%. I don't like either candidate but when one group is swayed to that extent, it means they are not thinking for themselves. And millennials are uninformed, arrogant and are always right (in their own mind).

LOL. I'd guess the average age around here is probably 50+ and that the number of honest to goodness people posting here born after 1980 are probably under 10.

Maybe before the mass exodus this past year or so.

(10-26-2016 04:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:04 PM)450bench Wrote:  You seen him play?

I know right...

Surely he isn't saying that because of size...Heck Rivers and Austin are listed with the same exact height and weight when they entered Memphis accept Rivers is considered to be much more athletic.

Yea, he will be another Austin Nichols.

Who said that...All we need him to do is be able to defend the 5 which Austin was able to do...We will not be looking for him to score big numbers. So yeah his size is completely relevant.

But hey whatever makes you feel better.

If you gave ever played basketball you would know size don't mean s*** unless you have skills to go with it. As the Dayton fan has posted a trillion times, Dayon did really well with no players over 6-6.

You guys have the pack mentality to jump my posts right know but I don't care. I will post my facts and opinions just like everyone else here.

Was passing on what a knowledgeable CBB person told me. As for who is right, I tend to go with experts and not this forum. YOU compared him to Austin not me.

Lol...
I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic)...No one mentioned offense and I even stated that points is not what we needed from him...Skills mostly come into play on that side of the floor.

Secondly I compared one specific aspect about the two players their physical build...You are the one who tried to extrapolate that.

Lastly I am 6' and have played against guys who are 6-9 who were complete slaw but I couldn't stop them in the post...So size is a huge help and it augments any skill you have.

You are not very bright.

(10-27-2016 08:46 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I know right...

Surely he isn't saying that because of size...Heck Rivers and Austin are listed with the same exact height and weight when they entered Memphis accept Rivers is considered to be much more athletic.

Yea, he will be another Austin Nichols.

Who said that...All we need him to do is be able to defend the 5 which Austin was able to do...We will not be looking for him to score big numbers. So yeah his size is completely relevant.

But hey whatever makes you feel better.

If you gave ever played basketball you would know size don't mean s*** unless you have skills to go with it. As the Dayton fan has posted a trillion times, Dayon did really well with no players over 6-6.

You guys have the pack mentality to jump my posts right know but I don't care. I will post my facts and opinions just like everyone else here.

Was passing on what a knowledgeable CBB person told me. As for who is right, I tend to go with experts and not this forum. YOU compared him to Austin not me.

Lol...
I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic)...No one mentioned offense and I even stated that points is not what we needed from him...Skills mostly come into play on that side of the floor.

Secondly I compared one specific aspect about the two players their physical build...You are the one who tried to extrapolate that.

Lastly I am 6' and have played against guys who are 6-9 who were complete slaw but I couldn't stop them in the post...So size is a huge help and it augments any skill you have.

You are not very bright.

You are not very bright:

I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic).

(10-26-2016 05:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:59 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Yea, he will be another Austin Nichols.

Who said that...All we need him to do is be able to defend the 5 which Austin was able to do...We will not be looking for him to score big numbers. So yeah his size is completely relevant.

But hey whatever makes you feel better.

If you gave ever played basketball you would know size don't mean s*** unless you have skills to go with it. As the Dayton fan has posted a disengage times, Dayon did really well with no players over 6-6.

You guys have the gang mentality to jump my posts right know but I don't care. I will post my facts and opinions just like everyone else here.

Was passing on what a knowledgeable CBB person told me. As for who us right, I tend to go with experts and not this forum. YOU compared him to Austin not me.

I think I know who you are now. You know some former players ?

Quite a few. What difference does that make?

So have you seen Rivers play? You really didn't answer that question.

(10-27-2016 10:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  So have you seen Rivers play? You really didn't answer that question.

I actually have seen him play in person more than once.

My opinion is that he will be an undersized albeit athletic player on the frontline - he is active and has good basketball instincts...I never saw him try to do too much and he seems to be much more a complimentary player than a standout, which may explain why a couple other guys on SWTCC took the reigns last year (still think David Burrell would've been a quality addition, but that's another discussion for another day).

I've seen enough college basketball to know that outside of the elite programs each year that teams win with all kinds of players at different positions...I've seen 6-6 centers and 6-4 power forwards - some bulky, some lithe - it's all about the attitude, the will and the coaching.

I don't think Rivers at center is ideal.

I do think on a frontline with Dedric and KJ that it can work, but they will have problems with certain matchups.

Starters:

Dedric: 19 ppg 8 rpg
KJ: 10 ppg 4 rpg
Markel: 9 ppg 2 apg 3 rpg
Martin: 8 ppg 4 apg
Kesse: 11 ppg 2 apg 2 rpg

Bench:
Rivers: 5 ppg 4 rpg
Chad: 4 ppg 3 rpg
Clergeot: 4 ppg 1 apg
Jake: 2 ppg 2 rpg

(10-27-2016 11:01 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 10:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  So have you seen Rivers play? You really didn't answer that question.

I actually have seen him play in person more than once.

My opinion is that he will be an undersized albeit athletic player on the frontline - he is active and has good basketball instincts...I never saw him try to do too much and he seems to be much more a complimentary player than a standout, which may explain why a couple other guys on SWTCC took the reigns last year (still think David Burrell would've been a quality addition, but that's another discussion for another day).

I've seen enough college basketball to know that outside of the elite programs each year that teams win with all kinds of players at different positions...I've seen 6-6 centers and 6-4 power forwards - some bulky, some lithe - it's all about the attitude, the will and the coaching.

I don't think Rivers at center is ideal.

I do think on a frontline with Dedric and KJ that it can work, but they will have problems with certain matchups.

Seen him play as well. Athlete, long and fast. Good hands as well. Better player than some may perceive. Probably close to 6-8 when you see him n the court.

(10-27-2016 10:54 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 08:46 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Yea, he will be another Austin Nichols.

Who said that...All we need him to do is be able to defend the 5 which Austin was able to do...We will not be looking for him to score big numbers. So yeah his size is completely relevant.

But hey whatever makes you feel better.

If you gave ever played basketball you would know size don't mean s*** unless you have skills to go with it. As the Dayton fan has posted a trillion times, Dayon did really well with no players over 6-6.

You guys have the pack mentality to jump my posts right know but I don't care. I will post my facts and opinions just like everyone else here.

Was passing on what a knowledgeable CBB person told me. As for who is right, I tend to go with experts and not this forum. YOU compared him to Austin not me.

Lol...
I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic)...No one mentioned offense and I even stated that points is not what we needed from him...Skills mostly come into play on that side of the floor.

Secondly I compared one specific aspect about the two players their physical build...You are the one who tried to extrapolate that.

Lastly I am 6' and have played against guys who are 6-9 who were complete slaw but I couldn't stop them in the post...So size is a huge help and it augments any skill you have.

You are not very bright.

You are not very bright:

I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic).

Ok...whatever man...

(10-27-2016 08:46 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:49 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 04:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-26-2016 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  I know right...

Surely he isn't saying that because of size...Heck Rivers and Austin are listed with the same exact height and weight when they entered Memphis accept Rivers is considered to be much more athletic.

Yea, he will be another Austin Nichols.

Who said that...All we need him to do is be able to defend the 5 which Austin was able to do...We will not be looking for him to score big numbers. So yeah his size is completely relevant.

But hey whatever makes you feel better.

If you gave ever played basketball you would know size don't mean s*** unless you have skills to go with it. As the Dayton fan has posted a trillion times, Dayon did really well with no players over 6-6.

You guys have the pack mentality to jump my posts right know but I don't care. I will post my facts and opinions just like everyone else here.

Was passing on what a knowledgeable CBB person told me. As for who is right, I tend to go with experts and not this forum. YOU compared him to Austin not me.

Lol...
I stated that he is more athletic than Austin, that is the preReq to play defense if instructed properly (same size but more athletic)...No one mentioned offense and I even stated that points is not what we needed from him...Skills mostly come into play on that side of the floor.

Secondly I compared one specific aspect about the two players their physical build...You are the one who tried to extrapolate that.

Lastly I am 6' and have played against guys who are 6-9 who were complete slaw but I couldn't stop them in the post...So size is a huge help and it augments any skill you have.

You are not very bright.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp.../92838202/

Although I have confidence Tubby will ultimately find the optimal mix of players to maximize results, I cannot recall a season start with the plenitude of question marks. Dedric, IMO, is the only sure starter and will play as many minutes as he can handle. Tubby emphasizes defense and we fortunately have strong defenders on the roster (eg, Martin, Crawford, Rivers, Clergot) so it would not surprise me seeing those players frequently on the court.

That article paints Rivers in a very positive light. I'm cautiously optimistic.

One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

(10-28-2016 10:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

Eh...who knows? We've tried the big man transfer route with little success. Godfrey and Pellom did OK, but were far from difference makers.

(10-27-2016 11:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Starters:

Dedric: 19 ppg 8 rpg
KJ: 10 ppg 4 rpg
Markel: 9 ppg 2 apg 3 rpg
Martin: 8 ppg 4 apg
Kesse: 11 ppg 2 apg 2 rpg

Bench:
Rivers: 5 ppg 4 rpg
Chad: 4 ppg 3 rpg
Clergeot: 4 ppg 1 apg
Jake: 2 ppg 2 rpg

These starters are our best 5, and this lineup needs to deployed often. I don't believe Tubby will start with that lineup, in an attempt at keeping Dedric out of foul trouble early. But its our best lineup. Those 5 need to play 30+ minutes a piece.

(10-28-2016 10:54 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 10:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

Eh...who knows? We've tried the big man transfer route with little success. Godfrey and Pellom did OK, but were far from difference makers.

Who coached them?

#knockoutpunch

(10-28-2016 11:16 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 10:54 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 10:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

Eh...who knows? We've tried the big man transfer route with little success. Godfrey and Pellom did OK, but were far from difference makers.

Who coached them?

#knockoutpunch

Red Auerbach

(10-28-2016 12:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 11:16 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 10:54 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 10:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

Eh...who knows? We've tried the big man transfer route with little success. Godfrey and Pellom did OK, but were far from difference makers.

Who coached them?

#knockoutpunch

Red Auerbach

Our Coach K

(10-27-2016 11:40 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Starters:

Dedric: 19 ppg 8 rpg
KJ: 10 ppg 4 rpg
Markel: 9 ppg 2 apg 3 rpg
Martin: 8 ppg 4 apg
Kesse: 11 ppg 2 apg 2 rpg

Bench:
Rivers: 5 ppg 4 rpg
Chad: 4 ppg 3 rpg
Clergeot: 4 ppg 1 apg
Jake: 2 ppg 2 rpg

Pretty good on most of them.

Off on KJ's rebounds and Markel scored a couple more than I expected. Pretty much on point with Rivers, Chad, and Cleregot.

HUGE swing and miss on Kessee. Man.

Final Stats:

Dedric: 19 ppg 10 rpg
KJ: 12 ppg 8 rpg
Markel: 13 ppg 2 apg 4 rpg
Martin: 10 ppg 4 apg
Kesse: 2 ppg 1 apg 1 rpg

Bench:
Rivers: 6 ppg 4 rpg
Chad: 4 ppg 2 rpg
Clergeot: 4 ppg 0.4 apg
Jake: 1 ppg 1 rpg

Randall: 5 ppg 1 apg

(10-28-2016 10:39 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  One grad transfer big man with DI experience and I think we're talking differently about this team.

Time will tell if Rykhoek, Jake, Rivers and Azab (if eligible) make up the difference that one DI big with experience would have made in the middle.

You were such a ray of hope.