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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
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(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

I think throwing it up to the rim, is his attempt to get his shot off. He has no jumping ability. Worked OK in high school, where he was taller than everybody, not so much now.

Larry's hitch and step back, allowed him to get his shot off, IMHO. Dedric is along way from a step back.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:51 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:51 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

And he had mental toughness, with a desire to beat & taunt you into submission.
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(02-20-2017 04:58 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:51 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.

That's obviously before Mo put on 30 lbs. I watch a ton of NBA. Mo and Dedric would be a good foot race. Dedric would really win a dribbling race; good ball handler for his size.

Point is they are niche spots in league for guys like Dedric if they work on midrange to long range shot and can make em. In fact, his refusal to use mid range shot very much, rarely posting up and hardly ever dunking are hurting him with scouts today.
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(02-16-2017 09:05 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  Cedric can only control what he can control. He needs to lower his body fat and add additional muscle. He will get a shot at some point and I think he will stick if he doesn't leave early. Get the free education

Interesting that Tacko is number 23. I remember a thread about if he is a NBA player and I think it proves you can't teach size

Just now noticed this dude is listed as from Central Florida Gators. LMAO 03-lmfao
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:51 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

Well and the fact that Larry was a dead eye shooter that always hit the clutch shot.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-20-2017 06:19 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:58 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.

That's obviously before Mo put on 30 lbs. I watch a ton of NBA. Mo and Dedric would be a good foot race. Dedric would really win a dribbling race; good ball handler for his size.

Point is they are niche spots in league for guys like Dedric if they work on midrange to long range shot and can make em. In fact, his refusal to use mid range shot very much, rarely posting up and hardly ever dunking are hurting him with scouts today.

It seemed like he had a really smooth mid-range jumper that he used a lot more last year. I have noticed that he has seemed to drift away from that this year. I think guys like him and Adonis are hurt by analytics talk. You hear the long two and mid-range two are the most inefficient shots in basketball. However, neither of those guys are/were good three point shooters and Dedric is not an explosive finisher around the rim so his mid-range could be a really asset for him.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-21-2017 10:03 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 06:19 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:58 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.

That's obviously before Mo put on 30 lbs. I watch a ton of NBA. Mo and Dedric would be a good foot race. Dedric would really win a dribbling race; good ball handler for his size.

Point is they are niche spots in league for guys like Dedric if they work on midrange to long range shot and can make em. In fact, his refusal to use mid range shot very much, rarely posting up and hardly ever dunking are hurting him with scouts today.

It seemed like he had a really smooth mid-range jumper that he used a lot more last year. I have noticed that he has seemed to drift away from that this year. I think guys like him and Adonis are hurt by analytics talk. You hear the long two and mid-range two are the most inefficient shots in basketball. However, neither of those guys are/were good three point shooters and Dedric is not an explosive finisher around the rim so his mid-range could be a really asset for him.

If you noticed (and I did) probably 75% of Dedric's 3pt attempts were well behind 3 pt line; closer if not right at NBA 3 pt line. That was not a coincidence. You have to hit college 3's first and work your way out. end result it hurt's his 3 pt % so much, it hurts his draft chances.

Even NBA teams don't see the amount of film we see (for those who watch every game) on a Tiger player unless he is being considered as a lottery pick and probably not then. Just not enough time or scouts.
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This is great news. We need Dedric back on the team next year.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-21-2017 10:03 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 06:19 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:58 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.

That's obviously before Mo put on 30 lbs. I watch a ton of NBA. Mo and Dedric would be a good foot race. Dedric would really win a dribbling race; good ball handler for his size.

Point is they are niche spots in league for guys like Dedric if they work on midrange to long range shot and can make em. In fact, his refusal to use mid range shot very much, rarely posting up and hardly ever dunking are hurting him with scouts today.

It seemed like he had a really smooth mid-range jumper that he used a lot more last year. I have noticed that he has seemed to drift away from that this year. I think guys like him and Adonis are hurt by analytics talk. You hear the long two and mid-range two are the most inefficient shots in basketball. However, neither of those guys are/were good three point shooters and Dedric is not an explosive finisher around the rim so his mid-range could be a really asset for him.

Dedric shot 35% from 3 last year. If he wants to be seriously considered for the league he needs to shoot over 40% from the college 3 point line along with adding some bulk.
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(02-20-2017 04:43 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
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(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
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(02-20-2017 10:51 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I think he is about an in shorter than Larry? But yes I agree. Same criticisms, "can't run, can't jump, is slow", Dedric needs a money outside shot. Without that he is limited when going against taller more athletic players. I'm not sure what can help him on defense? The taller more athletic players of UCONN, shut him down in the second half.

Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

I think throwing it up to the rim, is his attempt to get his shot off. He has no jumping ability. Worked OK in high school, where he was taller than everybody, not so much now.

Larry's hitch and step back, allowed him to get his shot off, IMHO. Dedric is along way from a step back.

Larry Finch was leaning in on virtually every shot he ever took. Even long jumpers.
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(02-21-2017 04:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 10:03 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 06:19 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
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(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

People forget how athletic Mo was in college. Also, Mo was 6'10" 245 coming out of Florida. Dedric is 6'8" 225.

This was Speight's scouting report after announcing for the 08 draft:

"Physically, it’s not hard to tell why Speights has terrific NBA potential. He has good size at 6-10, an NBA caliber frame, super long arms, and impressive athleticism. He runs the court well, has good quickness, is extremely quick off his feet, and is notably explosive finishing around the basket. He’s a very mobile big man, fluid and coordinated, and has excellent hands to boot. Our good friend David Thorpe of ESPN’s Scout’s Inc recently told us that Speights reminds him somewhat of Al Jefferson, and this seems to be a pretty good best-case scenario comparison."


Dedric is a PF in a SF body. The only way he even has a chance at making the league is if he develops a reliable mid-range shot and a corner 3. Even then...not sure I see it with his lack of explosiveness and quickness.

That's obviously before Mo put on 30 lbs. I watch a ton of NBA. Mo and Dedric would be a good foot race. Dedric would really win a dribbling race; good ball handler for his size.

Point is they are niche spots in league for guys like Dedric if they work on midrange to long range shot and can make em. In fact, his refusal to use mid range shot very much, rarely posting up and hardly ever dunking are hurting him with scouts today.

It seemed like he had a really smooth mid-range jumper that he used a lot more last year. I have noticed that he has seemed to drift away from that this year. I think guys like him and Adonis are hurt by analytics talk. You hear the long two and mid-range two are the most inefficient shots in basketball. However, neither of those guys are/were good three point shooters and Dedric is not an explosive finisher around the rim so his mid-range could be a really asset for him.

Dedric shot 35% from 3 last year. If he wants to be seriously considered for the league he needs to shoot over 40% from the college 3 point line along with adding some bulk.

The best thing he could do for his three point % is better shot selection... He takes some very ill advised threes at times.
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(02-21-2017 05:08 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  The best thing he could do for his three point % is better shot selection... He takes some very ill advised threes at times.

That's true, but he bricks plenty of open looks, too. I cringe every time he tees one up.
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I was going to post a thread on our shot selection this may be the worst shot selection Tiger team in my memory.If you strip everything wrong away from this team, even our porous PG play, our shot selection has probably cost us around 5 games. Part of our poor shot selections stems from lack of a PG and caused so many (along with Tubby's obstinance) shots with just a few seconds on shot clock; but we have other areas that are just as bad:

as mentioned earlier, Dedric unnecessarily shooting the ball at NBA 3 pt line

unwillingness or inability to dunk the damn ball-how many chippies did we miss that we could have dunked or at least got 2 foul shots

tentative, hesitation shots (mostly outside the core 4) that were just bricks; you have to drum that in their brains; take the shoot or know where you are going next-NO hesitation. Countless this year.

Going at big defenders in the lane and not going into his body and make the ref make a call; if you try short jumpers over a guy with 5-8 inches on you probably will miss. I remember doing that to Fall and he blocked or we missed almost every one; Brimrah too.

KJ. No explanation needed.

Markel. Is about as good as shooter as AA. When you are missing that many, sometimes you have to look somewhere else. He would keep forcing jumpers and run up some big missed numbers. Can remember some nights when he, KJ and JM would be combined 4 for 30 or some such nonsense.

Martin: very odd mechanics that need to be worked on. He is best driver on team because of his toughness. Think he has settled for too many jump shots.

Rivers: just too slight of frame to do what we are asking of him. has mid-range jumper he can hit at high % but he doesn't shoot it that much. Appears to be in a daze a lot to me and should be more of a garbage man with putbacks but he is out of position most of the time.

Chad also awkward shot but he made a good %. Too bad he has has all the injuries. He obviously hasn't been able to work out as needed.

In a sense, Tubby's hands maybe tied with Dedric and KJ IF he wants Chandler and some of his teammates. They obviously pretty much take any shot they want. Other players are resentful of their freedom. Cal would bench both in first 4 minutes of a game. Can't see Tubby being here long enough to worry about any Lawson but Chandler.

I'm sure some of you can add to this.
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He can average 30 and 15 in college, I have said time and time again Dedric needs a role. It's clear that no one is interesting in picking Dedric to build an offense around him. They really only do that for lottery type talents. Everyone else needs to compliment the guys that the offense is built around.

I could see him having to go one of three ways.

1) Knock down shooter (someone mentioned Mo Speights. Already has a decent jumper but far from deadly)

2) Stretch ball handling big (like a Boris Diaw. Beating you with his mind and floor skills for a big. Will really take a while to develop honestly)

3) Long rebounder(needs to bulk up. Has some instincts)

Must do this and become a playable defender (will never be great). Not sure if this will have to be done in college or the dleague or overseas, but somehow somewhere he needs an actual role that NBA teams can use.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-20-2017 09:06 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 11:21 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 03:05 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Word on the street is the Dude is gone, gonna play D league or Europe, but gonna get paid somewhere. NBA not gonna draft the Dude, it is what it is and it ain't what it ain't. Josh did a lot of harm in not developing players, gonna take a long time to recover and Tubby is a good coach who has lost his touch with recruiting. Where is WWW when we need him

Pastner developed the big dude Lammers he has now from a scrub to one of best bigs in ACC. What does the street say about that?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...en-lammers

The street says you should look up the definition of the word "exception"...

The street says he needs to quit slobberin all over Opie.
02-22-2017 09:06 AM
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-21-2017 05:06 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:43 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Difference with Larry was he was stronger than the guys he was playing against.

HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

I think throwing it up to the rim, is his attempt to get his shot off. He has no jumping ability. Worked OK in high school, where he was taller than everybody, not so much now.

Larry's hitch and step back, allowed him to get his shot off, IMHO. Dedric is along way from a step back.

Larry Finch was leaning in on virtually every shot he ever took. Even long jumpers.

Could it be the Larry being referenced is Larry Byrd?
02-22-2017 09:10 AM
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-22-2017 09:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 05:06 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:43 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 04:04 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 03:57 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  HEART!

The best Dedric can be-if he gets the outside shot down-is a Marreese Speights type player-Mo is not athletic and not fleet of foot also. But mid to long range jumpers Bigs are at a premium in new NBA. That's what Dedric has to do to make it. A lot of work and heart.

I think he could find a niche like that. I think he is a deceptively good at getting to the rim and that could help him find a spot on a roster. He definitely has to improve his outside shot. A lot of the time it looks like he is just throwing the ball toward the rim and hoping it goes in and not really "shooting" the ball per se.

I think throwing it up to the rim, is his attempt to get his shot off. He has no jumping ability. Worked OK in high school, where he was taller than everybody, not so much now.

Larry's hitch and step back, allowed him to get his shot off, IMHO. Dedric is along way from a step back.

Larry Finch was leaning in on virtually every shot he ever took. Even long jumpers.

Could it be the Larry being referenced is Larry Byrd?

Yes, Larry Bird. Can't run, can't jump, slow, yep, Larry Bird.

That statement, doesn't describe Larry Finch.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

He can watch but he'll never have Larry's outside skills at this level and he'll never have Larry's motor.

Dedric needs to play the 4. If he played the whole game in the paint he could be a 30/15 guy in college.
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RE: Dedric Not Listed Among Top 60 Draft Prospects
(02-22-2017 11:19 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 09:59 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Dedric should watch old film of Larry Bird and practice that.

He can watch but he'll never have Larry's outside skills at this level and he'll never have Larry's motor.

Dedric needs to play the 4. If he played the whole game in the paint he could be a 30/15 guy in college.

Comparing Dedric to Larry Bird is ludicrous, asinine, dumb and stupid. Larry and Magic were the beginning of the modern era of college basketball and brought the NBA back from the dead. Don't even go there.
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