Here's is the stopping point on this....

The President is with in his powers to do just as he did. Under the laws of the USA. If a few people gets caught in a hardship for a week or two, or three. So be it. If someone should have been let into America...UNDER OUR LAWS, the bugs will be worked out in the coming days or weeks. And they get into the country. If they are coming here from a war torn country where they feared for their safety. Then waiting a day or weeks should not be a problem.

Actually it should make them feel safer. Safer because America had extra time to VENT people and maybe even kept one of their brothers or sisters that could have strapped a bomb on their back out of this country.

But in the end, our President has the right under the laws of this nation to do what he did. His responsibility is to the 300+ million citizens of this country.....

FIRST

(01-29-2017 03:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

As I stated above I have responded to each of your posts. What exactly was your point? Perhaps if you took as much time making your point as you do with personal insults it would be more apparent what the point you are trying to make is.

no you haven't. if you have go repost your previous comment with that part in bold. I sure as hell didn't see a rebuttal to it. you just respond with the typical dumb redneck logic that is getting worked up over clip/mag. you do realize that I am quite knowledgeable about guns right? There isn't a Forgotten Weapons or hickok45 video that i haven't watched and I go to shooting ranges on a regular basis. if you are even remotely familiar with my views on guns you will notice that I bash both sides for consistently resorting to insanely stupid talking points. I spend more time taking down stupid talking points than promoting any gun policy.

the reason why I do the clip/mag thing is because I see that as one of the dumbest talking points 2a advocates use. plus knowing my lazy on a keyboard typing style you will see me constantly go for the shortest word possible (same reason I rarely refer to you and others by their full name). then I get to watch you two play right into my hands by getting your panties in a wad over such a trivial talking point.

(01-29-2017 03:04 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So Trump is personally detaining people? They being held in the basement of Trump Tower?

Yes, his order, issued unilaterally by him personally, is solely responsible for the detention of legal US residents, who are currently being detained on American soil without due process.

You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?

are you talking about that guy in yemen?

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:04 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, his order, issued unilaterally by him personally, is solely responsible for the detention of legal US residents, who are currently being detained on American soil without due process.

You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?

are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

(01-29-2017 03:05 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's is the stopping point on this....

The President is with in his powers to do just as he did. Under the laws of the USA. If a few people gets caught in a hardship for a week or two, or three. So be it. If someone should have been let into America...UNDER OUR LAWS, the bugs will be worked out in the coming days or weeks. And they get into the country. If they are coming here from a won torn country where they feared for their safety. Then waiting a day or weeks should not be a problem.

Actually it should make them feel safer. Safer because America had extra time to VENT people and maybe even kept one of their brothers or sisters that could have strapped a bomb on their back out of this country.

But in the end, our President has the right under the laws of this nation to do what he did. His responsibility is to the 300+ million citizens of this country.....

FIRST

Plenty of VENTing taking place in this thread.

Would not doubt there is quite a bit of chatter the NSA is paying attention too the last couple of days. I wonder what plans were changed because of this?

(01-29-2017 03:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

As I stated above I have responded to each of your posts. What exactly was your point? Perhaps if you took as much time making your point as you do with personal insults it would be more apparent what the point you are trying to make is.

Make a point about bicycle seats and slow thinkers will bring up the price of popsicles in Malaysia. It's a trick a few of the simple minded have been trained to perform when there is no cogent response and they actually think it makes them clever.

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:04 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?

are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

(01-29-2017 03:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

As I stated above I have responded to each of your posts. What exactly was your point? Perhaps if you took as much time making your point as you do with personal insults it would be more apparent what the point you are trying to make is.

no you haven't. if you have go repost your previous comment with that part in bold. I sure as hell didn't see a rebuttal to it. you just respond with the typical dumb redneck logic that is getting worked up over clip/mag. you do realize that I am quite knowledgeable about guns right? There isn't a Forgotten Weapons or hickok45 video that i haven't watched and I go to shooting ranges on a regular basis. if you are even remotely familiar with my views on guns you will notice that I bash both sides for consistently resorting to insanely stupid talking points. I spend more time taking down stupid talking points than promoting any gun policy.

I have responded to every post you have directed at me. If I missed what you claim to be your point it is probably because you didn't articulate it well enough for anyone besides you to understand that in between your typical personal insults you for once actually made one.

And LMMFAO @ you being "quite knowledgeable about guns". You certainly haven't come across that way in this or past discussions of firearms or firearms laws.

Quote:the reason why I do the clip/mag thing is because I see that as one of the dumbest talking points 2a advocates use. plus knowing my lazy on a keyboard typing style you will see me constantly go for the shortest word possible (same reason I rarely refer to you and others by their full name). then I get to watch you two play right into my hands by getting your panties in a wad over such a trivial talking point.

LOL Yeah you really set us up.

You are just throwing up dust to obscure the fact that you got caught in a typical gun control advocate mistake and like always you are too proud to admit you were wrong so again like always you just dig that hole deeper.

If correcting a serious technical error is "one of the dumbest talking points 2a advocates use" then we are in great shape when it comes to our side of the argument. Correcting morons who think that two totally different in function accessories for a weapon is a pretty important detail and no amount of spin is going to change the fact that the two terms are not interchangeable. You might as well be saying that the terms barrel and barrel shroud are interchangeable because it's the exact same principle as using clip for magazine and vice versa.

Must watch for those currently melting and REEEE'ing. This guy isn't a conservative, by the way.

(01-29-2017 03:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:08 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

As I stated above I have responded to each of your posts. What exactly was your point? Perhaps if you took as much time making your point as you do with personal insults it would be more apparent what the point you are trying to make is.

no you haven't. if you have go repost your previous comment with that part in bold. I sure as hell didn't see a rebuttal to it. you just respond with the typical dumb redneck logic that is getting worked up over clip/mag. you do realize that I am quite knowledgeable about guns right? There isn't a Forgotten Weapons or hickok45 video that i haven't watched and I go to shooting ranges on a regular basis. if you are even remotely familiar with my views on guns you will notice that I bash both sides for consistently resorting to insanely stupid talking points. I spend more time taking down stupid talking points than promoting any gun policy.

I have responded to every post you have directed at me. If I missed what you claim to be your point it is probably because you didn't articulate it well enough for anyone besides you to understand that in between your typical personal insults you for once actually made one.

And LMMFAO @ you being "quite knowledgeable about guns". You certainly haven't come across that way in this or past discussions of firearms or firearms laws.

Quote:the reason why I do the clip/mag thing is because I see that as one of the dumbest talking points 2a advocates use. plus knowing my lazy on a keyboard typing style you will see me constantly go for the shortest word possible (same reason I rarely refer to you and others by their full name). then I get to watch you two play right into my hands by getting your panties in a wad over such a trivial talking point.

LOL Yeah you really set us up.

You are just throwing up dust to obscure the fact that you got caught in a typical gun control advocate mistake and like always you are too proud to admit you were wrong so again like always you just dig that hole deeper.

If correcting a serious technical error is "one of the dumbest talking points 2a advocates use" then we are in great shape when it comes to our side of the argument. Correcting morons who think that two totally different in function accessories for a weapon is a pretty important detail and no amount of spin is going to change the fact that the two terms are not interchangeable. You might as well be saying that the terms barrel and barrel shroud are interchangeable because it's the exact same principle as using clip for magazine and vice versa.

you really think this is the first time I've come across the clip/mag argument? this is something cons have focused on.

a "serious technical error" lol give me a break. you are BSing and you know it.

(01-29-2017 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:04 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  what constitutional rights are you talking about?

How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?

are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

Your recall is much better than mine as I recall very little blowback on Obama about this subject. Perhaps you can link me to "lots of libs criticizing Obama over that"? But okay, I'll play.

You know he was an enemy combatant in a warzone? How do you know this? The president told you? Well, today, virtually anything Trump tells us I bet you have a problem with, no? Would you be fine with Trump having an American citizen assassinated? I thought not.

BTW, I see some here crying tears as big as crocodile turds because some Iraqi citizen who worked as a translater for the US military was detained at immigration as a result of Trump's Friday signing. He was released as I understand it but was put through a terrible ordeal according to one of our posters here.

Were you aware that the American citizen who was ordered assassinated by Obama was once invited to the Pentagon? He had his own little ordeal......1500 F from a hellfire missle. But, Obama sez it was okay so it's all good.

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you really think this is the first time I've come across the clip/mag argument? this is something cons have focused on.

a "serious technical error" lol give me a break. you are BSing and you know it.

http://writingexplained.org/clip-vs-magazine-difference

Quote:When writing on any subject, it’s important to have a working knowledge of the terms used by those in the community about which you are writing.

If you are writing about basketball, you will want to acquaint yourself with the rules of basketball. If you are writing about music, you will want to know the nuances of various musical genres and how they differ from one another.

Similarly, if you are writing about firearms, be it as a journalist for a news story or as an independent short story writer, you will want to familiarize yourself with the various terms used to describe firearms.

The terms clip and magazine are commonly used within firearms communities, and they are widely misused outside of those communities, so today I want to clear up any confusion between these two terms.

Quote:When to Use Clip

What does clip mean? An ammunition clip is a device used to store individual rounds of ammunition together as a single unit that is then ready for insertion into the magazine of a gun.

Quote:When to Use Magazine

What does magazine mean? A magazine is a device or chamber for holding a supply of cartridges to be fed automatically to breech of a gun. It is the area from where ammunition is pulled and put into the firing chamber.

Quote:Trick to Remember the Difference

As you can see, the difference between magazines and clips is quite clear. A clip is used to load a magazine, and a magazine feeds ammunition into the chamber.

(01-29-2017 03:05 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's is the stopping point on this....

The President is with in his powers to do just as he did. Under the laws of the USA. If a few people gets caught in a hardship for a week or two, or three. So be it. If someone should have been let into America...UNDER OUR LAWS, the bugs will be worked out in the coming days or weeks. And they get into the country. If they are coming here from a war torn country where they feared for their safety. Then waiting a day or weeks should not be a problem.

Actually it should make them feel safer. Safer because America had extra time to VENT people and maybe even kept one of their brothers or sisters that could have strapped a bomb on their back out of this country.

But in the end, our President has the right under the laws of this nation to do what he did. His responsibility is to the 300+ million citizens of this country.....

FIRST

To me, whether or not he CAN do this isn't the issue. Heck, it's not even whether or not he should've done this. It's whether or not he implemented this well. My thoughts lead to NO.

Oversights regarding the green cards and informing other departments are BAD, along with doing it without much warning. If he makes a habit of doing this, we're going to have a ton of half thought out plans swimming around the executive branch.

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:04 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?

are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

Your recall is much better than mine as I recall very little blowback on Obama about this subject. Perhaps you can link me to "lots of libs criticizing Obama over that"? But okay, I'll play.

You know he was an enemy combatant in a warzone? How do you know this? The president told you? Well, today, virtually anything Trump tells us I bet you have a problem with, no? Would you be fine with Trump having an American citizen assassinated? I thought not.

BTW, I see some here crying tears as big as crocodile turds because some Iraqi citizen who worked as a translater for the US military was detained at immigration as a result of Trump's Friday signing. He was released as I understand it but was put through a terrible ordeal according to one of our posters here.

Were you aware that the American citizen who was ordered assassinated by Obama was once invited to the Pentagon? He had his own little ordeal......1500 F from a hellfire missle. But, Obama sez it was okay so it's all good.

the ACLU and NYT editorial board ripped Obama over it. The Newsroom also spent like half a season on this topic.

the dude was the top recruiter for al qaeda and was called the "bin Laden of the Internet." It is no less a fact that he was part of that terrorist organization than it is that Hitler wanted to persecute jews. this is the last guy you can pull the "how do we really know" talking point with considering his role was to make videos praising jihad and terrorism.

(01-29-2017 03:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

Your recall is much better than mine as I recall very little blowback on Obama about this subject. Perhaps you can link me to "lots of libs criticizing Obama over that"? But okay, I'll play.

You know he was an enemy combatant in a warzone? How do you know this? The president told you? Well, today, virtually anything Trump tells us I bet you have a problem with, no? Would you be fine with Trump having an American citizen assassinated? I thought not.

BTW, I see some here crying tears as big as crocodile turds because some Iraqi citizen who worked as a translater for the US military was detained at immigration as a result of Trump's Friday signing. He was released as I understand it but was put through a terrible ordeal according to one of our posters here.

Were you aware that the American citizen who was ordered assassinated by Obama was once invited to the Pentagon? He had his own little ordeal......1500 F from a hellfire missle. But, Obama sez it was okay so it's all good.

the ACLU and NYT editorial board ripped Obama over it. The Newsroom also spent like half a season on this topic.

the dude was the top recruiter for al qaeda and was called the "bin Laden of the Internet." It is no less a fact that he was part of that terrorist organization than it is that Hitler wanted to persecute jews. this is the last guy you can pull the "how do we really know" talking point with considering his role was to make videos praising jihad and terrorism.

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was the top recruiter for Al Qaeda and the "Bin Laden of the internet"? Source?

(01-29-2017 03:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you really think this is the first time I've come across the clip/mag argument? this is something cons have focused on.

a "serious technical error" lol give me a break. you are BSing and you know it.

http://writingexplained.org/clip-vs-magazine-difference

Quote:When writing on any subject, it’s important to have a working knowledge of the terms used by those in the community about which you are writing.

If you are writing about basketball, you will want to acquaint yourself with the rules of basketball. If you are writing about music, you will want to know the nuances of various musical genres and how they differ from one another.

Similarly, if you are writing about firearms, be it as a journalist for a news story or as an independent short story writer, you will want to familiarize yourself with the various terms used to describe firearms.

The terms clip and magazine are commonly used within firearms communities, and they are widely misused outside of those communities, so today I want to clear up any confusion between these two terms.

Quote:When to Use Clip

What does clip mean? An ammunition clip is a device used to store individual rounds of ammunition together as a single unit that is then ready for insertion into the magazine of a gun.

Quote:When to Use Magazine

What does magazine mean? A magazine is a device or chamber for holding a supply of cartridges to be fed automatically to breech of a gun. It is the area from where ammunition is pulled and put into the firing chamber.

Quote:Trick to Remember the Difference

As you can see, the difference between magazines and clips is quite clear. A clip is used to load a magazine, and a magazine feeds ammunition into the chamber.

when I said "clip" you automatically knew which part of the gun I was talking about. that renders the entire point useless.

clip/mag share the same relationship as cemetery/graveyard or tactical/strategic. words that have very similar but slightly different meanings.

(01-29-2017 03:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

Your recall is much better than mine as I recall very little blowback on Obama about this subject. Perhaps you can link me to "lots of libs criticizing Obama over that"? But okay, I'll play.

You know he was an enemy combatant in a warzone? How do you know this? The president told you? Well, today, virtually anything Trump tells us I bet you have a problem with, no? Would you be fine with Trump having an American citizen assassinated? I thought not.

BTW, I see some here crying tears as big as crocodile turds because some Iraqi citizen who worked as a translater for the US military was detained at immigration as a result of Trump's Friday signing. He was released as I understand it but was put through a terrible ordeal according to one of our posters here.

Were you aware that the American citizen who was ordered assassinated by Obama was once invited to the Pentagon? He had his own little ordeal......1500 F from a hellfire missle. But, Obama sez it was okay so it's all good.

the ACLU and NYT editorial board ripped Obama over it. The Newsroom also spent like half a season on this topic.

the dude was the top recruiter for al qaeda and was called the "bin Laden of the Internet." It is no less a fact that he was part of that terrorist organization than it is that Hitler wanted to persecute jews. this is the last guy you can pull the "how do we really know" talking point with considering his role was to make videos praising jihad and terrorism.

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was the top recruiter for Al Qaeda and the "Bin Laden of the internet"? Source?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/t...ernet.html

(01-29-2017 03:38 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 03:09 PM)john01992 Wrote:  are you talking about that guy in yemen?

Yes.

I recall a lot of libs criticizing Obama over that. TBH I have no idea what the legality is to that. US citizens have rights no doubt but when they become enemy combatants in a warzone which is what he was both legally and in practice then that gets thrown out the window. I see it as no different than German-Americans who enlisted in the German Army during WWII.

The closer case is the Boston Marathon bomber who some called for his being tried as an enemy combatant. IIRC it was almost exclusively GOPers requesting this.

Your recall is much better than mine as I recall very little blowback on Obama about this subject. Perhaps you can link me to "lots of libs criticizing Obama over that"? But okay, I'll play.

You know he was an enemy combatant in a warzone? How do you know this? The president told you? Well, today, virtually anything Trump tells us I bet you have a problem with, no? Would you be fine with Trump having an American citizen assassinated? I thought not.

BTW, I see some here crying tears as big as crocodile turds because some Iraqi citizen who worked as a translater for the US military was detained at immigration as a result of Trump's Friday signing. He was released as I understand it but was put through a terrible ordeal according to one of our posters here.

Were you aware that the American citizen who was ordered assassinated by Obama was once invited to the Pentagon? He had his own little ordeal......1500 F from a hellfire missle. But, Obama sez it was okay so it's all good.

the ACLU and NYT editorial board ripped Obama over it. The Newsroom also spent like half a season on this topic.

the dude was the top recruiter for al qaeda and was called the "bin Laden of the Internet." It is no less a fact that he was part of that terrorist organization than it is that Hitler wanted to persecute jews. this is the last guy you can pull the "how do we really know" talking point with considering his role was to make videos praising jihad and terrorism.

I guess I was under the mistaken impression that for American citizens there was supposed to be some higher level of proof required before taking their lives. Now that it's clear that's not really the case, this should be a fun 8 years under Trump.

Thanks for clearing that all up. Let the killings begin.

Do the Milwaukee Bucks or LA Lakers have games scheduled at Toronto this year? They both have Sudanese players.