(01-29-2017 02:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

Provided for a WELL REGULATED....militia.

You don't know what regulated means.

if you are going to say "that word meant something different in 1776" then you can also say the same thing for the term "arms" apply for any general weapon from pikes and swords to guns and thus the right to bear arms can be interpreted to not even include guns. this isn't a path you want to go down.

(01-29-2017 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, his order, issued unilaterally by him personally, is solely responsible for the detention of legal US residents, who are currently being detained on American soil without due process.

You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

I don't recall Obama ever passing a meaningful gun restriction. you are not allowed to subject your own opinion as the end all be all. obviously there is a limit to the 2A as people can't own their own personal bazooka. we just have differing views on where in between a boozoka and a BB gun that line is. just because you have an opinion on background checks, clip capacity, etc. that differs from libs doesn't mean your view is factual and the libs view aren't.

He didn't because he couldn't, but he pushed very hard for prohibiting people put on the no-fly list being barred from purchasing and/or possessing firearms, thus he was perfectly willing to deny American citizens their Constitutional rights without due process and Tom supported that fully. Thus it's ironic to hear him decry non-citizens having non-existent rights violated without due process.

(01-29-2017 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yes, his order, issued unilaterally by him personally, is solely responsible for the detention of legal US residents, who are currently being detained on American soil without due process.

You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

I don't recall Obama ever passing a meaningful gun restriction. you are not allowed to subject your own opinion as the end all be all. obviously there is a limit to the 2A as people can't own their own personal bazooka. we just have differing views on where in between a boozoka and a BB gun that line is. just because you have an opinion on background checks, clip capacity, etc. that differs from libs doesn't mean your view is factual and the libs view aren't.

But please, continue to educate us on guns.

(01-29-2017 02:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

Provided for a WELL REGULATED....militia.

You don't know what regulated means.

if you are going to say "that word meant something different in 1776" then you can also say the same thing for the term "arms" apply for any general weapon from pikes and swords to guns and thus the right to bear arms can be interpreted to not even include guns. this isn't a path you want to go down.

You are right.....except for the fact that arms at the time it was written meant guns.

(01-29-2017 02:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

Provided for a WELL REGULATED....militia.

You don't know what regulated means.

if you are going to say "that word meant something different in 1776" then you can also say the same thing for the term "arms" apply for any general weapon from pikes and swords to guns and thus the right to bear arms can be interpreted to not even include guns. this isn't a path you want to go down.

But it did include guns so, blah, blah, blah.

(01-29-2017 02:22 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

I don't recall Obama ever passing a meaningful gun restriction. you are not allowed to subject your own opinion as the end all be all. obviously there is a limit to the 2A as people can't own their own personal bazooka. we just have differing views on where in between a boozoka and a BB gun that line is. just because you have an opinion on background checks, clip capacity, etc. that differs from libs doesn't mean your view is factual and the libs view aren't.

Don't you just love it when people who don't even know the basic terminology of a subject try and act like they know what they are talking about? That one little four letter word has exposed more ignorance than I can count.

(01-29-2017 02:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  But please, continue to educate us on guns.

you only display dumb logic that is only used by dumb people.

the one who argues against what is obviously true on a technicality is one who has no argument.

everyone knows what part of the gun we are talking about and the two terms are so commonly used they are universal. so to argue this incredibly trivial point only implies a weakness on your part.

(01-29-2017 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:22 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  what constitutional rights are you talking about?

Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

I don't recall Obama ever passing a meaningful gun restriction. you are not allowed to subject your own opinion as the end all be all. obviously there is a limit to the 2A as people can't own their own personal bazooka. we just have differing views on where in between a boozoka and a BB gun that line is. just because you have an opinion on background checks, clip capacity, etc. that differs from libs doesn't mean your view is factual and the libs view aren't.

Don't you just love it when people who don't even know the basic terminology of a subject try and act like they know what they are talking about? That one little four letter word has exposed more ignorance than I can count.

all add you to the list of stupid people who argued this incredibly stupid point. it truly is IMO the one talking point that proves whoever says it to be a total doofus.

notice how the two of you didn't even address the actual content of the post? sounds about right.

(01-29-2017 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you only display dumb logic that is only used by dumb people.

the one who argues against what is obviously true on a technicality is one who has no argument.

I don't need an argument vs. leftists when it comes to guns. You prove on your own that you don't know anything.

(01-29-2017 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the two terms are so commonly used they are universal.

The two terms are only universal to those that don't know what they're talking about.

Trying to compare this to what past presidents did is funny. Why don't we just close our borders for good. No one in and no one out. In the name of safety. You never know if an American might leave, meet a terrorist dude, get terrorist ideas, and return a terrorist.

Or you could just live in a bubble.

(01-29-2017 02:37 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you only display dumb logic that is only used by dumb people.

the one who argues against what is obviously true on a technicality is one who has no argument.

I don't need an argument vs. leftists when it comes to guns. You prove on your own that you don't know anything.

(01-29-2017 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the two terms are so commonly used they are universal.

The two terms are only universal to those that don't know what they're talking about.

like I said the only people who resort to this talking point are morons. it's used for those who can't make a legitimate argument.

what you basically say is "I can't refute your point so I am going to focus on one trivial technicality which has nothing to do with the argument to dismiss that argument instead." It is a rhetorical tactic for the mentally inferior.

think about it. I made a solid point to kap and neither you or kap have refuted that point directly. plus the idea that an entire statement can be automatically disqualified on such a dumb technicality screams living in an information-bubble and verifies the notion it is logic for the mentally inferior. like I said anyone who uses it proves their ineptitude which is why I have never bothered to correct myself on the mag/clip issue (this is by no means my 1st time on this specific point) because it shows me who can actually construct an argument vs who is a moron. if this is the issue you choose to press it proves a lack of ability to press the actual issues at play.

(01-29-2017 02:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:22 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:19 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Their rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Tom was one of many leftists who supported people who were placed on the no-fly list being denied their right to purchase and/or possess firearms. There is no due process involved with being placed on the no-fly list, just bureaucratic action.

I don't recall Obama ever passing a meaningful gun restriction. you are not allowed to subject your own opinion as the end all be all. obviously there is a limit to the 2A as people can't own their own personal bazooka. we just have differing views on where in between a boozoka and a BB gun that line is. just because you have an opinion on background checks, clip capacity, etc. that differs from libs doesn't mean your view is factual and the libs view aren't.

Don't you just love it when people who don't even know the basic terminology of a subject try and act like they know what they are talking about? That one little four letter word has exposed more ignorance than I can count.

all add you to the list of stupid people who argued this incredibly stupid point. it truly is IMO the one talking point that proves whoever says it to be a total doofus.

notice how the two of you didn't even address the actual content of the post? sounds about right.

Fine by me. Put me on any list you want. Doesn't change the fact that you exposed your ignorance on the subject with your lack of knowledge of even the basics of the subject.

And I did address your "point". Or I guess I did because I addressed your post. Not exactly sure what you think your point was, and I'm not convinced you are either.

(01-29-2017 02:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I made a solid point to kap

You didn't make anything, other than it obvious that you don't know anything about guns.

(01-29-2017 02:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the two terms are so commonly used they are universal

Except they aren't. The only place they are "universal" are among uneducated morons who think they know something about a subject when they don't.

There are significant differences between clips and magazines. Trying to say they mean the same thing is like saying that you can use the word pineapple when you are talking about an orange and it's the same thing.

it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

As I stated above I have responded to each of your posts. What exactly was your point? Perhaps if you took as much time making your point as you do with personal insults it would be more apparent what the point you are trying to make is.

(01-29-2017 02:47 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I made a solid point to kap

You didn't make anything, other than it obvious that you don't know anything about guns.

Similar to your knowledge of sports. I see you haven't lost a bet this week.

(01-29-2017 02:57 PM)john01992 Wrote:  it's been 7 posts and neither kap or kronke have refuted the original point. congratz on proving me correct boys.

Since when do you have a point?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

(01-29-2017 02:10 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 01:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  So Trump is personally detaining people? They being held in the basement of Trump Tower?

Yes, his order, issued unilaterally by him personally, is solely responsible for the detention of legal US residents, who are currently being detained on American soil without due process.

You weren't concerned with US citizens being denied their Constitutional rights when Obama wanted to do so but you are worried about non-citizens having non-existent rights violated?

what constitutional rights are you talking about?

How about the American citizen (US born and raised) who never had a day in court or had been charged with a crime but was assassinated by Obama? Ya think he had any constitutional rights?