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Bigger issue is that Jones thought Carver, Haynes, Kah, etc. were worthy of scholarships. Talent evaluation is brutal.

(01-14-2017 05:38 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  When Vassor, Carver, and Kah are seeing major minutes, we got big trouble.

Kah and Carver combined for like 4 minutes. The only reason Vassor sees the court is that Stith is injured.

Caver was bad and the defense struggled (bracey is a really good player too). But they also hit everything. Happens, but have to tighten up

It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

The guy from W&M was a decent player too, but we made him look like Steph Curry.

It would be nice if Jeff Jones could land a nice player like that.

(01-14-2017 06:43 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

Caver is not very good often? What?

Hueitt has a pretty high ranking and Godwin isnt far behind. (For the follow up ost)

(01-14-2017 06:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:43 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

Caver is not very good often? What?

Hueitt has a pretty high ranking and Godwin isnt far behind. (For the follow up ost)

Admittedly, that's exciting for next season. Unfortunately, we will be watching another run at another CHIT Tournament this season.

Everybody knew, or should have known, that successful football would take away from the other sports. It happens at almost every other school. As far as Jeff Jones goes, I think he's a pretty good game time coach, but not a very good recruiter. The talent level on this team is horrible. But having said that, we all knew this team would suffer without Freeman and Bacote.

(01-14-2017 06:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:43 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

Caver is not very good often? What?

Hueitt has a pretty high ranking and Godwin isnt far behind. (For the follow up ost)

Often, Caver is not very good. Just the facts. Maybe 1 out of 3 good games. FT is almost always bad.

Other CUSA schools have football. So does W&M.

No excuses. We just don't have enough offensive weapons, especially when our D lets us down like today.

This team is hard to watch. Everything offensively is a battle. We know we don't have great shooters, yet we keep taking jump shots with our forwards away from the basket. Make sure you have someone there to go after the rebound when these ugly shots are being thrown up.. Basketball 101.

(01-14-2017 07:01 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:43 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

Caver is not very good often? What?

Hueitt has a pretty high ranking and Godwin isnt far behind. (For the follow up ost)

Often, Caver is not very good. Just the facts. Maybe 1 out of 3 good games. FT is almost always bad.

I don't think Caver has that many bad games. Even when he is not shooting well he usually picks it up in other aspects. But tonight he was just bad all around. The turnovers he had were just uncharacteristic. And he did not defend well. The lone highlight might be the rebound he had where he leaped about 40 inches to snag it from everyone.

Watched a Big South game in person between Winthrop and Campbell today, then watched LT-ODU on TV. The CU-Win game featured two players under six feet (one from each team) who could bury threes from NBA range. They both average over 20 points per game. They were a joy to watch. Every time one of them hit one, I was jealous because we don't have someone like that. I am afraid to say the Big South game was much more enjoyable to watch. If Campbell and Winthrop can recruit really good three point shooters, why can't ODU? (I know we have Hueitt coming in next year).

(01-14-2017 07:01 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 06:43 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  It is really all about Caver. When he is bad we are really bad. We can only be good if he can be good, and he is not good very often. Vassor, Carver and Kah are useless.

Caver is not very good often? What?

Hueitt has a pretty high ranking and Godwin isnt far behind. (For the follow up ost)

Often, Caver is not very good. Just the facts. Maybe 1 out of 3 good games. FT is almost always bad.

That is certainly not a fact. Caver has had a handful of bad games, if that. In a few games, he pretty much carried us.

(01-14-2017 07:22 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  Watched a Big South game in person between Winthrop and Campbell today, then watched LT-ODU on TV. The CU-Win game featured two players under six feet (one from each team) who could bury threes from NBA range. They both average over 20 points per game. They were a joy to watch. Every time one of them hit one, I was jealous because we don't have someone like that. I am afraid to say the Big South game was much more enjoyable to watch. If Campbell and Winthrop can recruit really good three point shooters, why can't ODU? (I know we have Hueitt coming in next year).

We would beat both those teams. You cant just assemble a bunch of one dimensional 3 point shooters.

(01-14-2017 07:03 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Other CUSA schools have football. So does W&M.

No excuses. We just don't have enough offensive weapons, especially when our D lets us down like today.

I think it was much more than just a lack of offensive weapons. We also lacked a coherent offensive approach.

For most of the game, it looked like our only plan was to get the ball into the hands of either Talley or B.J. and hope that one of them could figure out a way to score. We simply did not look like we were ready for La. Tech.

Part of that is a credit to La. Tech. They were quicker than we were. They out hustled us for much of the game. And they made their shots.

But part of that is also on our coaching staff. La. Tech's 1-3-1 zone defense could not have come as a surprise. Yet we again looked completely lost on too many possessions.

We've got six weeks (or so) to figure things out before the conference tournament.

The jury is still out on Aaron Carver, only a freshman. But someone dropped the recruiting ball is neither he nor Kah can see the floor ahead of the walkon Vassor.

(01-14-2017 07:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 07:22 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  Watched a Big South game in person between Winthrop and Campbell today, then watched LT-ODU on TV. The CU-Win game featured two players under six feet (one from each team) who could bury threes from NBA range. They both average over 20 points per game. They were a joy to watch. Every time one of them hit one, I was jealous because we don't have someone like that. I am afraid to say the Big South game was much more enjoyable to watch. If Campbell and Winthrop can recruit really good three point shooters, why can't ODU? (I know we have Hueitt coming in next year).

We would beat both those teams. You cant just assemble a bunch of one dimensional 3 point shooters.

How about one?

(01-14-2017 07:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 07:22 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  Watched a Big South game in person between Winthrop and Campbell today, then watched LT-ODU on TV. The CU-Win game featured two players under six feet (one from each team) who could bury threes from NBA range. They both average over 20 points per game. They were a joy to watch. Every time one of them hit one, I was jealous because we don't have someone like that. I am afraid to say the Big South game was much more enjoyable to watch. If Campbell and Winthrop can recruit really good three point shooters, why can't ODU? (I know we have Hueitt coming in next year).

We would beat both those teams. You cant just assemble a bunch of one dimensional 3 point shooters.

That's what Marshall did to beat us.

Not wanting to go that route, but we need a few.

(01-14-2017 07:49 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 07:26 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 07:22 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  Watched a Big South game in person between Winthrop and Campbell today, then watched LT-ODU on TV. The CU-Win game featured two players under six feet (one from each team) who could bury threes from NBA range. They both average over 20 points per game. They were a joy to watch. Every time one of them hit one, I was jealous because we don't have someone like that. I am afraid to say the Big South game was much more enjoyable to watch. If Campbell and Winthrop can recruit really good three point shooters, why can't ODU? (I know we have Hueitt coming in next year).

We would beat both those teams. You cant just assemble a bunch of one dimensional 3 point shooters.

That's what Marshall did to beat us.

Not wanting to go that route, but we need a few.

And beat us by driving to hoop. But since then, they've been awful

My early reaction to this game... We are SERIOUSLY lacking in the talent department. It was clear during warm-ups that we don't have the same type of athletes.

I was not a big Caver fan early in the season, and I am not quite ready to anoint him as a guy who will be a really good PG, but today's game was rough for him. The only way we could score most of the time was for him to dribble through their zone and try to get Talley a shot under the basket. He was forcing things, but I think he was forcing things out of necessity because our putrid offense could not find a way to crack their zone. He is not good enough to do that, but i don't think he should have to do that.

Thinking about JJ's teams, he has had a lot of VERY prolific scorers through his career. Now i see why. His offense consists of running plays for 1 player over and over. Freeman last year, Talley this year. It seems he is content to have four players who can't do anything on offense but watch his chosen player score. From Stith to Dean to the big guy at American to Freeman and now Talley, this trend is now becoming clear to me.

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