(01-08-2017 12:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:53 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

There is your neg 3. Want some more

3 more.

6 more

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

(01-08-2017 12:52 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Because the hope is you Hershel it. Cut off the leg (the AAC and major non-AAC trolls) to save the rest of the body. If it doesn't work it at least deals with a lot of it so it's more clear who is trolling and who was just retaliating.


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YOU ARE BLIND!!!!!
im glad you arent a mod

BC1 has made it very clear what he thinks about the aac as a power conference for over 3 years now ..VERY CLEAR...he only switched sides as a retaliation Becuase their trolling was nonstop

are you saying the g4 are the ones retaliating???? we didnt have a single negative thread about them before the ccg..NONE...
-we said we were p6
- we said we deserved the access bowl
- we said we didnt think wmu was that good as a comparison of g5 champions for the access (every g5 does this)


none of that is attacking them, none of that is degrading them..having aspirations to be better and having stats to back it up, isnt an attack on others...

they took offense to that and attacked us....BC1 retailiated ..WMU fans for weeks says the AAC isnt a very good conference, that WMU is better, and he clowns the AAC for bowl losses (all in the AAC forum)...but wmu losses a bowl and bc1 mocks back (in the aac forum) and is now banned??? (and banned by a non-aac mod at that)

I believe I am about to be forced out or gone. I refuse to stomach this.

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Not anymore. They get they auto neg from me when they enter into aac territory. Post away g4s. I got a whole truck load of negs just waiting.

(01-08-2017 01:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:52 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Because the hope is you Hershel it. Cut off the leg (the AAC and major non-AAC trolls) to save the rest of the body. If it doesn't work it at least deals with a lot of it so it's more clear who is trolling and who was just retaliating.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

YOU ARE BLIND!!!!!
im glad you arent a mod

BC1 has made it very clear what he thinks about the aac as a power conference for over 3 years now ..VERY CLEAR...he only switched sides as a retaliation Becuase their trolling was nonstop

are you saying the g4 are the ones retaliating???? we didnt have a single negative thread about them before the ccg..NONE...
-we said we were p6
- we said we deserved the access bowl
- we said we didnt think wmu was that good as a comparison of g5 champions for the access (every g5 does this)


none of that is attacking them, none of that is degrading them..having aspira4tions to be better and having stats to back it up, isnt an attack on others...

they took offense to that and attacked us....BC1 retailiated ..WMU fans for weeks says the AAC isnt a very good conference, that WMU is better, and he clowns the AAC for bowl losses (all in the AAC forum)...but wmu losses a bowl and bc1 mocks back (in the aac forum) and is now banned??? (and banned by a non-aac mod at that)

To be honest if it is the AAC board, does it matter what is said about other conferences? I wouldn't expect them to agree but that is life. Think about all the programs in this league that have been in a power conference in the past...Houston, SMU, Temple, USF, Cincinnati, and UConn. Houston and UCF have won recent major bowls. Uconn a recent national hoops title. The fact that we have larger aspirations annoys some.

(01-08-2017 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Not anymore. They get they auto neg from me when they enter into aac territory. Post away g4s. I got a whole truck load of negs just waiting.

If everyone does this it cleans up quickly.

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Sure but it's to be expected. The problem is your lack of moderation. If you're going to respond to them by goading them and allowing multiple troll threads to be started by BC1 then you can't expect them to go away. That will dissuade me from posting here about as much as Shere Kahn neg repping me. Now if a mod threatened to take away my posting privileges from both the CUSA board and ODU board in the middle of BB season then I might reconsider. In my defense I never shitpost in a thread that's not already FUBAR.

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Sure but it's to be expected. The problem is your lack of moderation. If you're going to respond to them by goading them and allowing multiple troll threads to be started by BC1 then you can't expect them to go away. That will dissuade me from posting here about as much as Shere Kahn neg repping me. Now if a mod threatened to take away my posting privileges from both the CUSA board and ODU board in the middle of BB season then I might reconsider. In my defense I never shitpost in a thread that's not already FUBAR.

You have no reason to be here go away ,you are not welcome

(01-08-2017 01:16 PM)FUB Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Sure but it's to be expected. The problem is your lack of moderation. If you're going to respond to them by goading them and allowing multiple troll threads to be started by BC1 then you can't expect them to go away. That will dissuade me from posting here about as much as Shere Kahn neg repping me. Now if a mod threatened to take away my posting privileges from both the CUSA board and ODU board in the middle of BB season then I might reconsider. In my defense I never shitpost in a thread that's not already FUBAR.

You have no reason to be here go away ,you are not welcome

Negative -3 every G4 post on the AAC board. They will get the point quickly.

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Sure but it's to be expected. The problem is your lack of moderation. If you're going to respond to them by goading them and allowing multiple troll threads to be started by BC1 then you can't expect them to go away. That will dissuade me from posting here about as much as Shere Kahn neg repping me. Now if a mod threatened to take away my posting privileges from both the CUSA board and ODU board in the middle of BB season then I might reconsider. In my defense I never shitpost in a thread that's not already FUBAR.

Three more

Gotta refuel.

Where is Kruciff, Cuban and JD

(01-08-2017 12:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

So AAC posters get banned because G4 people run over to "laugh at" us. This post explains the issue. Case closed.

So where are the mods now? Didn't that jerk just admit that he and others are going to continue to come over here and troll if they don't like what we post on the AAC board!

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Not anymore. They get they auto neg from me when they enter into aac territory. Post away g4s. I got a whole truck load of negs just waiting.

If everyone does this it cleans up quickly.

All that's asking for is to start a rep war. Both sides would end up getting warnings, and all the neg reps deleted by mods.

Probably not the correct action to take, but whatever floats your boat.

(01-08-2017 01:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Not anymore. They get they auto neg from me when they enter into aac territory. Post away g4s. I got a whole truck load of negs just waiting.

If everyone does this it cleans up quickly.

All that's asking for is to start a rep war. Both sides would end up getting warnings, and all the neg reps deleted by mods.

Probably not the correct action to take, but whatever floats your boat.

What is the point in saying any of that when you punish some posters for profanity and ignore profanity in this thread ?

(01-08-2017 01:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Not anymore. They get they auto neg from me when they enter into aac territory. Post away g4s. I got a whole truck load of negs just waiting.

If everyone does this it cleans up quickly.

All that's asking for is to start a rep war. Both sides would end up getting warnings, and all the neg reps deleted by mods.

Probably not the correct action to take, but whatever floats your boat.

Three more for you

So just to confirm, reporting clown posts by fans of other conferences is the way to go?

(01-08-2017 01:24 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  All that's asking for is to start a rep war. Both sides would end up getting warnings, and all the neg reps deleted by mods.

Probably not the correct action to take, but whatever floats your boat.

my opinion:

unban bc1
delete all the recent negs by aac guys
not call out AAC fans for what everyone is doing and lets return back to normal
and if action is taken make sure its fair to both sides...

Just neg rep the g4 clowns. Thats why its there. Its within the aup. G4 busy bodies have no businees here. Imagine if an aac mod lectured the acc board

Gtfoh

Ill be back, im negging every g4 post so keep it up g4s

(01-08-2017 01:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 01:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:07 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-08-2017 12:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  its clear. g4 can trash and mock the AAC relentlessly in the AAC forum but if we slightly mock back we get moderated and banned

anyone who has been here over a year should be well aware BC1 was against the whole p6 thing, and normally agreed with the other g4 conference, he only started trolling and mocking them becuase they were nonstop posting and trashing us that he switched sides...

this place is honestly becoming less fun...this whole thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Our conference is branding ourselves as the P6. That means "we" think it is the G4 with the others. The others don't like but that is our marketing push.

I believe we will continue to see the p6 stickers next year.

Well yeah, but if you're going to brand yourself that way then perform poorly in bowls against other G5 conferences then you've got to expect those fans to come over and laugh at you. Now on any other board moderators would have stepped in and issued warnings and what not if it got out of hand. This board responds by baiting those fans with a bunch of silly G4 troll threads. Now it makes no difference to me, I'll shitpost with the best of em but you can't bait G4 fans into posting then complain about us posting here.

Fans of other conferences are guests here and should act accordingly. Regardless of perceived provocation, they have no right to post any negative words about the AAC or its members on the AAC board just as fans of AAC schools have no right to trash folks on MAC, CUSA, MWC, and Sunbelt boards.

Sure but it's to be expected. The problem is your lack of moderation. If you're going to respond to them by goading them and allowing multiple troll threads to be started by BC1 then you can't expect them to go away. That will dissuade me from posting here about as much as Shere Kahn neg repping me. Now if a mod threatened to take away my posting privileges from both the CUSA board and ODU board in the middle of BB season then I might reconsider. In my defense I never shitpost in a thread that's not already FUBAR.

I warned some time ago that allowing trolling to go unchecked wouild eventually screw up the board. That said, you should be able to talk honestly about the hopes, aspirations, and discuss realistic opinions of conference quality within the confines of your own board without concerning yourself about the feelings of other conferences. Has anyone bothered to see the typical AAC disdain offered up as "fact" on the CUSA board? That said, frankly, I think that its their right to do that on their board. Its their opinion and their appraisal of the current college landscape as seen through the lens of CUSA fans. If they do it over here on the AAC Board, then, its not so reasonable.

I belive in the movie Hoosiers theres a scene where one of the characters says something to the affect that---"If a guy takes off his clothes and howls at the moon in the street---you can afford to look the other way, if the same guy does that in your living room, well---you're kinda forced to deal with that situation". That's sort of how I see this issue.