(01-06-2017 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's amazing. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and he has already back tracked on at least two of the biggest issues he ran on.

Wow...

You're essentially admitting that you were one of those idiots

(01-06-2017 02:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's amazing. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and he has already back tracked on at least two of the biggest issues he ran on.

Wow...

You're essentially admitting that you were one of those idiots

I didn't vote for him. I knew he couldn't or wouldn't deliver on these issues.

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

Agreed. Only a complete idiot would take Donald Trump at his word:

Trumps campaign website Wrote:It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following...

https://web.archive.org/web/201604072327...r-the-wall

(01-06-2017 02:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's amazing. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and he has already back tracked on at least two of the biggest issues he ran on.

Wow...

You're essentially admitting that you were one of those idiots

I didn't vote for him. I knew he couldn't or wouldn't deliver on these issues.

What does 'whom you voted for' have to do with it?

If you voted for him because you expected him to literally build a wall and send Mexico a bill that we expected them to pay, you're an idiot. If you think what he's saying now is different from what he originally meant, then you're the same idiot.

The 'idiot' is the one who can't understand or imagine the difference between a 'position' and the actual implementation of such actions...

Like idiots who think that repealing Obamacare day one (1/20) would have meant that what you selected as your coverage for 2017 back in November of 2016 would immediately become invalid.... or that all of the rules for reimbursement etc would suddenly get thrown out the window.

Whether someone is truly ignorant of how anything in this world works, or merely drawing what they know to be an ignorant conclusion so that they can then later shoot holes in it when what they knew was meant all along is what happens makes no difference to me... other than the fact that one I have some pity for, and the other deserves ridicule.

Quote:If you voted for him because you expected him to literally build a wall and send Mexico a bill that we expected them to pay, you're an idiot. If you think what he's saying now is different from what he originally meant, then you're the same idiot.

NO. Some people voted for him because they actually believed that he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Not send them a bill later.

What he said then and what he is saying now is of on consequence to me. I find it all amusing that's all.

You know I don't consider what is said as important than what is actually done.

I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

(01-06-2017 02:49 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

Agreed. Only a complete idiot would take Donald Trump at his word:

Trumps campaign website Wrote:It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following...

https://web.archive.org/web/201604072327...r-the-wall

Oh C'mon J.

He isn't suggesting they will simply write a check. He is suggesting (and actually says) that they won't... and yet there are numerous ways in which we could make it 'in their interest' to do so. He outlined them, and as a smart person, you should know that he is essentially correct. Whether they actually write a check, or if they instead accept (as if they have any say in it) a tax on money wired across the border, or any of a number of other options is immaterial.

EXACTLY what happens depends on lots of variables not yet in evidence or under our control... but only an idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would simply write a check for.

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

A tax on remittances. I hadn't thought about that before. That could add up quickly.

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

Trump's site (actually JOwls's link purporting to be such) suggests something quite similar though even more draconian:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

I still want to know what Mexico is going to use to go to war with us.

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

I think it's illegal to deny someone medical aid regardless of immigration status.

(01-06-2017 03:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I still want to know what Mexico is going to use to go to war with us.

tacos.

(01-06-2017 03:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I still want to know what Mexico is going to use to go to war with us.

tacos.

They can't. They are signatories to the ban on chemical warfare.

Mexico will never pay for the wall. It will be stuck on us tax-payers. Rand Paul will vote with the Democrats on this issue since it will add more debt on the US.

(01-06-2017 03:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

I think it's illegal to deny someone medical aid regardless of immigration status.

Does Mexico do the same? In a way it does but unless you pay before you leave the hospital you'll be going no where. I know, I used to be married to a Mexican national and I learned a lot from her family.

My cousin once got involved in a motor car accident there and they put him in jail all the while his thumb was falling off his hand. They didn't care. I despise Mexican authorities they're like Demon-crats, do as I say, don't do as I do. They ***** and scream to high water for their rights while in the U.S. but not giving a shite for Americans caught in distressful situations in Mexico.

(01-06-2017 03:29 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

I think it's illegal to deny someone medical aid regardless of immigration status.

Does Mexico do the same? In a way it does but unless you pay before you leave the hospital you'll be going no where. I know, I used to be married to a Mexican national and I learned a lot from her family.

My cousin once got involved in a motor car accident there and they put him in jail all the while his thumb was falling off his hand. They didn't care. I despise Mexican authorities they're like Demon-crats, do as I say, don't do as I do. They ***** and scream to high water for their rights while in the U.S. but not giving a shite for Americans caught in distressful situations in Mexico.

Who cares what Mexico does? Do we look to Russia to determine our ethics? Do we look to the Middle East to dictate our morals?

We do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. Why would we want to do any different? Because it cost money? Come on man. I know you are not that callous.

(01-06-2017 03:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

I think it's illegal to deny someone medical aid regardless of immigration status.

It is (life saving anyway) but that isn't what he suggested.

What he suggested is a tax on money sent back to Mexico, often by people here illegally. They already pay a wire fee. And then to use that money to partially offset the care that we're providing to them.

Trump's suggestion was essentially purported to be that we not allow people not here legally to use our banking system to wire money unarguably EARNED illegally back overseas AT ALL. Under this plan, mexico loses $24byn or so. Under the tax plan, they perhaps lose $2.4byn/yr forever (a 10% tax) but they keep $21.6byn.

Mexico wouldn't be writing any checks, but they'd certainly be 'paying'... and only a hack would argue that the distinction was meaningful.

(01-06-2017 03:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:49 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  First payment was those Carrier jobs that didn't leave. Second is these Ford Jobs.

Only a complete idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would write a check for.

Agreed. Only a complete idiot would take Donald Trump at his word:

Trumps campaign website Wrote:It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following...

https://web.archive.org/web/201604072327...r-the-wall

Oh C'mon J.

He isn't suggesting they will simply write a check. He is suggesting (and actually says) that they won't... and yet there are numerous ways in which we could make it 'in their interest' to do so. He outlined them, and as a smart person, you should know that he is essentially correct. Whether they actually write a check, or if they instead accept (as if they have any say in it) a tax on money wired across the border, or any of a number of other options is immaterial.

EXACTLY what happens depends on lots of variables not yet in evidence or under our control... but only an idiot expected us to send them a bill that they would simply write a check for.

That's a load of garbage Hammy. What does "one-time payment" mean to you?

You didn't realize he had actually written that. That much is clear.

(01-06-2017 03:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I still want to know what Mexico is going to use to go to war with us.

Surface to air Sombrero's.

(01-06-2017 03:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 03:15 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I wonder how much money (taxes) we'll receive from aliens sending money to Mexico and elsewhere? A tax on that dough should be a tidy sum, it should be implemented immediately. At least it will help offset the amount that is spent on health care for aliens in this country and especially in El Paso where all they need is a passport. It happens every time, as even the government authorities have taken illegals aliens to the hospital themselves.

I think it's illegal to deny someone medical aid regardless of immigration status.

It is (life saving anyway) but that isn't what he suggested.

What he suggested is a tax on money sent back to Mexico, often by people here illegally. They already pay a wire fee. And then to use that money to partially offset the care that we're providing to them.

Trump's suggestion was essentially purported to be that we not allow people not here legally to use our banking system to wire money unarguably EARNED illegally back overseas.

In order for this to not seem a political correctness issue "EVERYONE" will be required to pay this tax. I'm fine with that. If need be I'll pay the tax if I need to send someone money to a foreign country. It's only fair.