(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:21 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

not going to lie, that looks pretty badass... but the Marine in me doesnt like it. There is a reason why we have uniform regulations. They are not a fashion statement.

Yea the only thing that bothers me is that the theory behind a lot of the uniform and behavioral regs is to make everyone "the same" in a unit. Tear you down and build you up as a soldier.

But.... Given the amount of shaq they are throwing at the military this is hardly where I want to spend my powder.

thats the main reason why I am against it.

Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

(01-06-2017 12:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Camo turbans would be awesome.

not going to lie, that looks pretty badass... but the Marine in me doesnt like it. There is a reason why we have uniform regulations. They are not a fashion statement.

And they change regulations. You were probably in the marines for that period of time they disallowed rolling sleeves.

(01-06-2017 01:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:57 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Camo turbans would be awesome.

not going to lie, that looks pretty badass... but the Marine in me doesnt like it. There is a reason why we have uniform regulations. They are not a fashion statement.

And they change regulations. You were probably in the marines for that period of time they disallowed rolling sleeves.

That was after my time. We were allowed to roll our desert cammies.


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(01-06-2017 12:16 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have no problem with this as long as it doesn't interfere with their ability to fight.

Dude, Sikhs go looking for fights..........

They don't go looking, but if they find it justified they go all out.

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:21 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  not going to lie, that looks pretty badass... but the Marine in me doesnt like it. There is a reason why we have uniform regulations. They are not a fashion statement.

Yea the only thing that bothers me is that the theory behind a lot of the uniform and behavioral regs is to make everyone "the same" in a unit. Tear you down and build you up as a soldier.

But.... Given the amount of shaq they are throwing at the military this is hardly where I want to spend my powder.

thats the main reason why I am against it.

Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:21 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Yea the only thing that bothers me is that the theory behind a lot of the uniform and behavioral regs is to make everyone "the same" in a unit. Tear you down and build you up as a soldier.

But.... Given the amount of shaq they are throwing at the military this is hardly where I want to spend my powder.

thats the main reason why I am against it.

Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  thats the main reason why I am against it.

Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

But he has a dojo and coaches football.

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:26 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  thats the main reason why I am against it.

Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

(01-06-2017 02:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why would the military feel the need to tear someone down on a religious level?

The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

I see you are twisting everybody's words... again.

Have fun in your dojo.

(01-06-2017 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  The military does not care about what you believe. But if I wanted to wear a cross which is visible, for examples, it would go against regs.

The goal of basic training is not just the skills needed for combat but that each person sees them selves not as an individual (withing the scope of the unit) but as a template soldier.

I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

I see you are twisting everybody's words... again.

Have fun in your dojo.

Well thankfully the military and just about everyone else in this forum disagrees with you.

(01-06-2017 02:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 01:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I understand the need for the military to make everyone one unit rather than an individual but I don't see why they would have to go to that extreme.

because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

I see you are twisting everybody's words... again.

Have fun in your dojo.

Well thankfully the military and just about everyone else in this forum disagrees with you.

disagrees with me on what?

(01-06-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:08 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  because you have never been to war, thats why you dont understand.

So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

I see you are twisting everybody's words... again.

Have fun in your dojo.

Well thankfully the military and just about everyone else in this forum disagrees with you.

disagrees with me on what?

That soldiers be allowed to wear articles of religion as part of their uniform. You said you didn't like it. No one else seemed to have a problem with it though.

I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

(01-06-2017 02:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:17 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:16 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So you have to actually have been to war in order to understand how the military works?

Interesting.

I would think the military would want kids to fall back on their religion in cases of such stress such as wars.

I see you are twisting everybody's words... again.

Have fun in your dojo.

Well thankfully the military and just about everyone else in this forum disagrees with you.

disagrees with me on what?

That soldiers be allowed to wear articles of religion as part of their uniform. You said you didn't like it. No one else seemed to have a problem with it though.

so is this happening on the other branches too? and I am the only one against this on this forum?

(01-06-2017 02:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

I agree with you on this post except for the last part. It has been my experience that soldiers actually become a bit annoyed by this sort of attention.

(01-06-2017 02:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

I agree with you on this post except for the last part. It has been my experience that soldiers actually become a bit annoyed by this sort of attention.

People kept paying for their lessons at your dojo?

(01-06-2017 02:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

I agree with you on this post except for the last part. It has been my experience that soldiers actually become a bit annoyed by this sort of attention.

who said I draw attention to it? I usually quietly ask for their bill and pay it on my way out.

(01-06-2017 02:27 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

I agree with you on this post except for the last part. It has been my experience that soldiers actually become a bit annoyed by this sort of attention.

who said I draw attention to it? I usually quietly ask for their bill and pay it on my way out.

When my family was at West Point to drop off my brother off for his first semester, we ate at a local restaurant and a West Point graduate paid for our meal.

Major props to you for doing what you do. I will have to do so myself, especially after I am out of college.

(01-06-2017 02:23 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I was not in the military although my brothers were. But as long as you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; I really don't care what you wear and I'll continue to not let you pay for your meal in any bar I frequent.

You and I are the same in that regard. My brothers are serving, but I have not.

Good looking turban, uni has US flag. Thumbs up.

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