(01-05-2017 11:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Before the bill is passed, I'd like you to go to a crowded bowling alley or basketball game in a dress...then go get in line to use the men's room. See how much harassment you face.

If it's that obvious, then you probably are a cross-dresser and not trans-gendered. If I went to a crowded bowling alley or basketball game in a dress, it would be obvious that I wasn't trans-gendered.

Quote:Any justification for the bill other than hatred of LGBT persons? And now, can you justify your vote for DJT based upon that rationale? And if you said 'better of bad choices', should DJT be impeached for perving at little girls in the changing room?

You got nothing.

'hatred of LGBT persons' is the only answer you'd accept. You've shut your mind to the idea that pervs would take advantage of such a rule, while simultaneously accusing someone of being just such a perv. Your methods and inability to consider any other position than your own are obvious. Makes for a horrible argument unlikely to convince anyone of anything 'good' for you.

(01-05-2017 11:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seriously, anyone want to defend the bill? Anyone?

Sure. Women deserve to be protected from perverts... and I KNOW there are more women than TGs, and I'm betting there are more pervs than TGs. You can disagree with the specifics of ANY bill, but the idea that women deserve to be protected from perverts who would seek to use your imaginary slight to engage in what is essentially sexual assault is pretty universal.

We shouldn't have to expose 150mm women to 30mm perverts to appease the imagined 'wrongs' of 20mm TG'd women. (making up numbers... I have no idea... but I'm betting I'm generous)

If you've got another solution (and I've presented them before myself) then speak up. So far all I've ever heard from you is SCREW those 150mm women's rights, unless you can use them to besmirch Trump.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:20 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Said the guy willing to excuse DJT of sexual assualt and perving teenaged girls enought to elect him President.

It would be difficult to imagine a greater rebuke to your brand of cry-wolf liberalism than the election of a Donald Trump.

(01-05-2017 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your white privilege is showing.

You would be well served to eliminate this idiot meme-phrase from liberal-lazy response lexicon. It's has no impact other than signifying that you are afraid of how the conversation is going.

(01-05-2017 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Where can a F to M go to the restroom in Texas under Dan Patrick's hate bill without being harrassed or humiliated? Nowhere.

The internet is full of people of all stripes saying “I’m not afraid to let my little daughter go to the bathroom alone because transgender men are not rapists or child molesters.” Yes, agreed; this is not about Bad Trans, but about straight people CLAIMING to be transgender men so they can camp out in women’s bathrooms and those pretenders might be rapists and child molesters. When you intentionally reverse a taboo nobody knows what will happen.

Yes, probably, all this ‘bathroom legislation’ is a solution in search of a problem in general. But then the Catholic Church looked the other way while a few (very, very few in fact) priests victimized young people in their care.

Again, and read this part carefully: the moral and mental character of genuine transsexuals does not matter here. What matters is that they are outnumbered 50:1 to 100:1 by genuine, convicted perverts. So the question is: How many cases of assault are we willing to tolerate?

That’s the possible problem liberals aren’t acknowledging. It’s as if liberals can’t wrap their heads around the notion that not everybody plays by their unicorn-and-rainbow rules. I’m not certain if that’s plain stupidity or willful obliviousness but I’m heavily leaning toward willful obliviousness.

Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States. You seem to take glee in the fact that DJT won the election with a minority of votes as a rebuke of liberals, but are unwilling to consider the impact of electing a pervert President.

Bill Clinton was a pervert and those were some prosperous years. Donald Trump is off to a great start on the job front and peace with Russia front.

I don't think the bill is motivated by hate but rather the fear that children and wives will be subjected to danger or molestation in female restrooms. Rightly or wrongly, that is the motivation.

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

Source?

PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:09 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Before the bill is passed, I'd like you to go to a crowded bowling alley or basketball game in a dress...then go get in line to use the men's room. See how much harassment you face.

If it's that obvious, then you probably are a cross-dresser and not trans-gendered. If I went to a crowded bowling alley or basketball game in a dress, it would be obvious that I wasn't trans-gendered.

Quote:Any justification for the bill other than hatred of LGBT persons? And now, can you justify your vote for DJT based upon that rationale? And if you said 'better of bad choices', should DJT be impeached for perving at little girls in the changing room?

You got nothing.

'hatred of LGBT persons' is the only answer you'd accept. You've shut your mind to the idea that pervs would take advantage of such a rule, while simultaneously accusing someone of being just such a perv. Your methods and inability to consider any other position than your own are obvious. Makes for a horrible argument unlikely to convince anyone of anything 'good' for you.

(01-05-2017 11:13 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Seriously, anyone want to defend the bill? Anyone?

Sure. Women deserve to be protected from perverts... and I KNOW there are more women than TGs, and I'm betting there are more pervs than TGs. You can disagree with the specifics of ANY bill, but the idea that women deserve to be protected from perverts who would seek to use your imaginary slight to engage in what is essentially sexual assault is pretty universal.

We shouldn't have to expose 150mm women to 30mm perverts to appease the imagined 'wrongs' of 20mm TG'd women. (making up numbers... I have no idea... but I'm betting I'm generous)

If you've got another solution (and I've presented them before myself) then speak up. So far all I've ever heard from you is SCREW those 150mm women's rights, unless you can use them to besmirch Trump.

Why are all these bills being proposed by MEN? Just sayin'

This bill will do nothing to 'protect' women. And you know it. All it will do is harrass LGBT persons and put them at risk of violence and harrassment.

You were perfectly willing to excuse DJT perving out on those teenaged girls and bragging about it....so please don't ask my community to face the abuse created by this unecessary bill, introduced solely as an attack on the LGBT community.

And yes, hypocrisy is an issue here too. And its friggin' staggering.

(01-05-2017 11:05 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:00 AM)miko33 Wrote:  This whole thing is stupid. Why is the governor of Texas wasting time on such trivial garbage when he could be focused on more important issues? Why doe the LGBT community have to announce to the world that transgendered males deserve to use a ladies room? If a dude looks like a lady, then what's the problem? It's not like there is a "parts check" by a bathroom monitor before entering...

Again, no one can justify this bill, using any other rationale than hatred of LGBT persons. No one in here has even tried. Because if they did, then they'd have to rationalize their support for DJT and SB6. Or the fact that the supporters of SB6 are Trumpeteers.

You cannot do it. You know you cannot do it. I dare any of you to try it.

I'm not defending anything. I think coming out with this law is stupid. I also think the LGBT community went about this in an extremely stupid way too. Don't you think it's stupid to bring all of this attention to the group that a guy who wants to be a woman also wants to use the ladies room? Why not just dress like a woman and then quietly use the restroom?

(01-05-2017 11:03 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:00 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Tom's mad because he knows the GOP is about to fix his healthcare problem, and thats going to cause him extreme butthurt.

How is this a fix? A woman, with female genitalia, is going to be required by law to use the men's room??????

Funny how we never had this problem until transgendered men decided they had a right to squat and pee in the womens restroom next to little girls. They cant squat and pee in the mens restroom. They cant squat and pee in a single multi-use restroom. Oh no. They must be allowed to squat and pee in the ladies restroom.

Yes, thats what this country has degraded into.

Want to know why Obama failed to save american jobs? Because he was being pulled around by the dick by people like Valerie Jarret who though this issue was more important than saving rust belt jobs or fixing the healthcare issue they caused.

(01-05-2017 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

Source?

PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

Plot twist. Its Dan Patrick. It limits the access of LGBT persons to the restroom based upon the fallacy that LGBT persons should be treated like sexual criminals. It will contain zero new protections for persons harrassed or assaulted complying with the law. It comes from a man who excuses DJT's sexual assaults on women and perving out in a kids changing room.

And you and I both know that Dan Patrick is simply using this bill to pander to extreme bigots who hate LGBT persons in his upcoming challenge to Gov Abbott.

What do you expect the bill to say?

(01-05-2017 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

Source?

PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

Plot twist. Its Dan Patrick. It limits the access of LGBT persons to the restroom based upon the fallacy that LGBT persons should be treated like sexual criminals. It will contain zero new protections for persons harrassed or assaulted complying with the law. It comes from a man who excuses DJT's sexual assaults on women and perving out in a kids changing room.

And you and I both know that Dan Patrick is simply using this bill to pander to extreme bigots who hate LGBT persons in his upcoming challenge to Gov Abbott.

What do you expect the bill to say?

so you have NOT read the bill?

(01-05-2017 11:10 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:56 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:50 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I heard the Bigot forces have penetrated the Transgender lines already and are driving deep into LGBT territory, pillaging as they go. Strangely, the opposition seems to be opening the way for them to move deeper into their territory. A possible pincer assault after Bigot forces outstretch their lines?

In this case a "trigger warning" is the sound of someone chambering a round.

Update from the front:

Though Bigot forces have yet to be stopped in the drive deeper into LGBT territory, they have met with some resistance. Apparently in a split with the rest of the LGBT Coalition forces, the militant paramilitary group know as Lesbians have begun a fierce effort to stop the penetration of LGBT territory all on their own.

This is a clear indication that the LGBT Coalition strategy of allowing the deep penetration of their territory by Bigot forces is not universally accepted on their side, and may indicate widening divisions amongst the LGBT factions in the battles to come.

Stunning developments from the front:

The scrappy delaying tactics of the Lesbians appears to have worked as part of a grand LGBT strategy. Now the rest of the LGBT forces have surrounded the head of the Bigot invasion with consistent yet surprisingly gentle force. Bigot attempts to pull their forces back have stalled, with the head now firmly trapped by the suddenly clinching LGBT pincer attacks, bringing much relief to the beleaguered Lesbian partisans.

More to follow as it becomes available.

(01-05-2017 11:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:03 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:00 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Tom's mad because he knows the GOP is about to fix his healthcare problem, and thats going to cause him extreme butthurt.

How is this a fix? A woman, with female genitalia, is going to be required by law to use the men's room??????

Funny how we never had this problem until transgendered men decided they had a right to squat and pee in the womens restroom next to little girls. They cant squat and pee in the mens restroom. They cant squat and pee in a single multi-use restroom. Oh no. They must be allowed to squat and pee in the ladies restroom.

Yes, thats what this country has degraded into.

Want to know why Obama failed to save american jobs? Because he was being pulled around by the dick by people like Valerie Jarret who though this issue was more important than saving rust belt jobs or fixing the healthcare issue they caused.

How about this...jail for anyone harrassing someone complying with the law (even with words like Tr*nny). With strict sentencing.

I didn't think so.

According to this estimate, there are 193 million public toilets in the United States:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-there-mor...-or-People

Now assuming that each public restroom has an average of five toilets, and each officer of the Poop Police can watch two restrooms (one Men's, one Women's), that's 19.3 million new jobs.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics counts 7.4 million long-term unemployed in the U.S. as of Dec. 2016.

And there we have full employment. The bigly genius that is Trump strikes again.

(01-05-2017 11:34 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

Source?

PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

Plot twist. Its Dan Patrick. It limits the access of LGBT persons to the restroom based upon the fallacy that LGBT persons should be treated like sexual criminals. It will contain zero new protections for persons harrassed or assaulted complying with the law. It comes from a man who excuses DJT's sexual assaults on women and perving out in a kids changing room.

And you and I both know that Dan Patrick is simply using this bill to pander to extreme bigots who hate LGBT persons in his upcoming challenge to Gov Abbott.

What do you expect the bill to say?

so you have NOT read the bill?

Uh...I'm okay being out on that limb. We will see when Dan Patrick puts forth his legislation. I'm sure it will not contain any new protections for Trans persons complying with the law and will not jail those insulting or assaulting them for complying with the law. Nor will it mandate access to an equal access restroom with a reasonably similar line and location.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

And your side elected the guy who probably raped Juanita Broadrick, who paid a settlement to Paula Jones, who was rightly accused of adultery by a host of women, and who is said to have gone to Jeffrey Epstein’s private island with underaged hookers.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You seem to take glee in the fact that DJT won the election with a minority of votes as a rebuke of liberals

Yes. Yes! We have won, and it is glorious. Your side made the personal the political and now the shoe is on other voter's feet.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This bill isn't about stopping perverts. You elected Trump. Its about harming LGBT persons.

Megan’s List is over 50x longer than the estimated number of genuine transsexuals, for sake. How many more people are going to need to clearly, unequivocally, state that this this is not about harming LGBT persons, and about protecting people from sexual predators?

How many, Tom? 'Cause currently it's trending at 100% of us. You think that claiming otherwise invalidates our position but in reality, you’ve only made yourself look absurd.

(01-05-2017 11:39 AM)58-56 Wrote:  According to this estimate, there are 193 million public toilets in the United States:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-there-mor...-or-People

Now assuming that each public restroom has an average of five toilets, and each officer of the Poop Police can watch two restrooms (one Men's, one Women's), that's 19.3 million new jobs.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics counts 7.4 million long-term unemployed in the U.S. as of Dec. 2016.

And there we have full employment. The bigly genius that is Trump strikes again.

Plessy v Ferguson created a lot of duplication and costs.

(01-05-2017 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  GOP Lt Governor Dan Patrick of Texas will today introduce a sweeping attack on the basic rights of LGBT Texas, SB 6. http://www.twcnews.com/tx/austin/news/20...usage.html

Dan Patrick has been a fervent supporter of Donald Trump, even after he bragged about sexually assaulting women and even admitted, on air, to crashing a locker room filled with teenaged girls, in order to oogle them while they were dressing. So its obvious that Dan Patrick is just doing this because he hates LGBT persons. Because he has no problem with elevating someone to the Presidency who does exactly what he claims needs fixing.

I'nve never someone come so close to Bingo in one post Tom.... So close..



All you were missing was an appeal to authority...

And FTR tom.... Not all Transgendered people are gay.

(01-05-2017 11:40 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 10:29 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  GOP Lt Governor Dan Patrick of Texas will today introduce a sweeping attack on the basic rights of LGBT Texas, SB 6. http://www.twcnews.com/tx/austin/news/20...usage.html

Dan Patrick has been a fervent supporter of Donald Trump, even after he bragged about sexually assaulting women and even admitted, on air, to crashing a locker room filled with teenaged girls, in order to oogle them while they were dressing. So its obvious that Dan Patrick is just doing this because he hates LGBT persons. Because he has no problem with elevating someone to the Presidency who does exactly what he claims needs fixing.

I'nve never someone come so close to Bingo in one post Tom.... So close..



All you were missing was an appeal to authority...

Meh, just because your hypocrisy is so predictable doesn't make it incorrect to point out.

(01-05-2017 11:40 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:34 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:23 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Source?

PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

Plot twist. Its Dan Patrick. It limits the access of LGBT persons to the restroom based upon the fallacy that LGBT persons should be treated like sexual criminals. It will contain zero new protections for persons harrassed or assaulted complying with the law. It comes from a man who excuses DJT's sexual assaults on women and perving out in a kids changing room.

And you and I both know that Dan Patrick is simply using this bill to pander to extreme bigots who hate LGBT persons in his upcoming challenge to Gov Abbott.

What do you expect the bill to say?

so you have NOT read the bill?

Uh...I'm okay being out on that limb. We will see when Dan Patrick puts forth his legislation. I'm sure it will not contain any new protections for Trans persons complying with the law and will not jail those insulting or assaulting them for complying with the law. Nor will it mandate access to an equal access restroom with a reasonably similar line and location.

can you point that out on the bill?

(01-05-2017 11:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Your side was willing to elect an admitted pervert to be President of the United States.

And your side elected the guy who probably raped Juanita Broadrick, who paid a settlement to Paula Jones, who was rightly accused of adultery by a host of women, and who is said to have gone to Jeffrey Epstein’s private island with underaged hookers.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You seem to take glee in the fact that DJT won the election with a minority of votes as a rebuke of liberals

Yes. Yes! We have won, and it is glorious. Your side made the personal the political and now the shoe is on other voter's feet.

(01-05-2017 11:22 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This bill isn't about stopping perverts. You elected Trump. Its about harming LGBT persons.

Megan’s List is over 50x longer than the estimated number of genuine transsexuals, for sake. How many more people are going to need to clearly, unequivocally, state that this this is not about harming LGBT persons, and about protecting people from sexual predators?

How many, Tom? 'Cause currently it's trending at 100% of us. You think that claiming otherwise invalidates our position but in reality, you’ve only made yourself look absurd.

Then combine it with mandated access to restrooms by trans persons, criminal penalties for harrasment of LGBT persons complying with the law, protection of employment for LGBT persons, etc.

Youre perfectly willing to legislate restrictions on LGBT persons, but are unwilling to legislate any protections whatsoever.

Heck many of y'all cannot even stop insulting Trans people (calling them Tr*nnys) or even referring to them by their real gender. And some of y'all do it as a way of insulting them and demeaning them.

This is 100% about harming LGBT persons. Full stop. Why punish group a because group c does something. And do it while insulting them, while refusing to accept them as they are, and while refusing to protect them with special laws (you advocate special laws that will hurt them) from the harrassment, discrimination, and violence they will face by complying with this law.

Furthermore, the very 'problem' you guys want to solve is one you excuse by someone you elected President.

Please.

(01-05-2017 11:44 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:40 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:34 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 11:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  PLOT TWIST: tom hasnt even read the bill...

Plot twist. Its Dan Patrick. It limits the access of LGBT persons to the restroom based upon the fallacy that LGBT persons should be treated like sexual criminals. It will contain zero new protections for persons harrassed or assaulted complying with the law. It comes from a man who excuses DJT's sexual assaults on women and perving out in a kids changing room.

And you and I both know that Dan Patrick is simply using this bill to pander to extreme bigots who hate LGBT persons in his upcoming challenge to Gov Abbott.

What do you expect the bill to say?

so you have NOT read the bill?

Uh...I'm okay being out on that limb. We will see when Dan Patrick puts forth his legislation. I'm sure it will not contain any new protections for Trans persons complying with the law and will not jail those insulting or assaulting them for complying with the law. Nor will it mandate access to an equal access restroom with a reasonably similar line and location.

can you point that out on the bill?

I'm on a limb. I'm sure there will be zero protections for Trans persons complying with the bill, or any protections will be completely inadequate.

Dan Patrick has bigots in the 2018 GOP Primary to pander to. That limb is strong.