I heard last year once Akron got bowl eligible, they expedited passports for all the players that needed them in hopes they would get picked for the Bahamas Bowl. From what I'm told if you expedite them you can get them in as little as 2 weeks.

Don't we have the Miami Beach Bowl against the AAC this year instead of Boca? I'm a lot more inclined to think that the MAC will make sure we fill that slot before undesirable locations like Boise and Montgomery, or a logistically difficult game in the Bahamas. Given that the MAC hasn't sent a team to there yet, it makes sense to send one of ours there to keep our lineup fresh for December veterans like Toledo and OU. EMU and maybe Miami (knock on wood) aren't in that position really, tell us to play in Anchorage and we'd still accept in exchange for the extra practices and TV exposure with how bad we've been in recent memory before this season.

(11-10-2016 04:38 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:08 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  Team going to Bahamas probably already knows because of passport process and the like

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When CMU went they put together passports the summer before the season started, just in case. I'm sure there are a couple of teams that have been proactive and are prepared.

It also seems like whoever plays in the MACC rarely returns to Detroit for the bowl game. Fans are not likely to make the return trip just a few weeks later.

"When CMU went they put together passports the summer before the season started, just in case. I'm sure there are a couple of teams that have been proactive and are prepared."

Can we eliminate EMU which has never had to worry about the going to the Bahamas for a bowl?

I have no problem if EMU goes to Boise to play say Colo State. MWC is a high profile G5 conference.

(11-10-2016 05:15 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Don't we have the Miami Beach Bowl against the AAC this year instead of Boca? I'm a lot more inclined to think that the MAC will make sure we fill that slot before undesirable locations like Boise and Montgomery, or a logistically difficult game in the Bahamas. Given that the MAC hasn't sent a team to there yet, it makes sense to send one of ours there to keep our lineup fresh for December veterans like Toledo and OU. EMU and maybe Miami (knock on wood) aren't in that position really, tell us to play in Anchorage and we'd still accept in exchange for the extra practices and TV exposure with how bad we've been in recent memory before this season.

I believe the MAC is due for Miami Beach. MAC has slots for Miami Beach, Boca Raton, Bahamas and Poinsettia in rotation.

The SBC was part of this rotation but have pulled out freeing extra slots in it up for the MAC.

(11-10-2016 06:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  This affects bowl lineups. Will the MAC be able to fill its primary bowl commitments?

If not, it can't fill secondary bowl like the Quick Lane Bowl.

MAC could struggle to fill its commitment for the first time ever this year.

WMU on pace for Cotton Bowl. That means the MAC will have 6 commitments.

MAC has 4 bowl eligible with 4 more still in the running. It can't be both Ball State and Miami since they play each other so the MAC maxes out at 7 bowl eligible this year.

(11-10-2016 04:57 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I heard last year once Akron got bowl eligible, they expedited passports for all the players that needed them in hopes they would get picked for the Bahamas Bowl. From what I'm told if you expedite them you can get them in as little as 2 weeks.

You can do it in 2 hours at a passport office..

Well, WMU is likely in the Cotton if they win out.

If they lose to Toledo or in the MACC they probably go to Detroit if there's a Big 10 team and the ACC can't fill their slot.

Otherwise, the MAC will send it's best available team to Miami Beach to play either S. Florida, Houston or Memphis

I've read that we are not in the Bahamas rotation this year and are only a backup, which means no MAC team will be there since the league will struggle to fill its primary commitments and wants to try and get into the Detroit bowl too.

Yes, it is amazing that Miami has a real shot, but I'm not surprised. They showed flashes throughout their losing streak. Definitely a program on the come up. Lots of good young oline talent there and some decent QBs and DBs on the roster too.

(11-10-2016 04:29 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:00 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If favored teams win out...

WMU to cotton
Toledo to dollar gen
Ohio to Bahamas
EMU to Potato

MIAMI to camelia

Other than WMU to Cotton is there a specific rationale for linking teams to particular bowls?

What I'm getting it, certain bowls are more desirable because of day of week, distance, cost of travel, etc.? E.g., Bahamas is expensive. Boise is not a reasonable drive and the weather is cold for FB.

The potato bowl is not reasonable for the MAC in general. EMU has a win over Wyo, so there is a MWC connection this season. The other schools have already all gone to Boise (not Miami, but Idaho has choice and would pick an 8 win EMU team first) so the bowl would like a new team I am sure. EMU fans are happy in general to be in a bowl so they would likely travel better than other MAC schools anyhow. A bowl game (even in Idaho) is where EMU wants to be. To me it makes logical sense for the Eagles in the spud bowl.

Ohio could go to the dollar general and Toledo to bahamas? But the others seem likely locked. Camelia has last choice and MU will be the last option. I bet they would get pinned against a hot stAte team.

Yea..I think the MAC gets screwed in its SBC matchups. They will get App State (and they're pretty good) in Mobile (or Troy in Mobile - which would be even worse). And Montgomery will be against stAte. You could win both of them, but you're not getting easy matchups. It would be kind of interesting to see a hot stAte team play a hot Miami (OH) team.

Playing in Montgomery versus stAte would be an interesting matchup in the "teams that were godawful to start the season but suddenly have a pulse bowl." Both of us have close FCS losses at home, lost to good G5 teams at home, and lost by a lot to P5 programs on the road before starting to turn it around in conference play. I don't know what's made the difference for them, but looking down the stretch they have four games to play while we only have two, which in a hypothetical matchup may be a big factor given how injuries have played such a huge role in our season. But of course, UB and BSU are far from guaranteed wins, we need to take care of business before starting serious bowl talk.

CMU will have to beat EMU or Ohio to be a 6th team -- while of course, Miami needs to continue their run, which is very possible since they don't have a brick wall in front of them (but, they are Miami, so you can't have too much confidence).

I would put WMU's chances of going to the Cotton Underpants Bowl, if they win out, @ 75%. I think WMU's chances of winning out are about 60%, given their last two game performances (I'd set it at 75% after the Akron game).

Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Akron 1-1
Ball State 0-7
Bowling Green 5-7
Buffalo 0-2
CMU 3-6
EMU 1-0
Kent State 0-2
Miami 7-2
NIU 4-7
Ohio 2-7
Toledo 10-5
WMU 1-6

Current MAC: 34-54

(11-11-2016 03:45 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Correction - UT's bowl ELIGIBILITY streak is 7 years (2010-present).

(11-11-2016 03:45 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Just think after (2016), EMU with 1 year (2016) will be in the top half of the MAC.

#ThatWasEasy

BB said: them being a "Public Ivy" is a myth they perpetrated to make them look better than they actually are.

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eCK: C'mon, BB, you are better than that! The Public Ivy image came out of the book written by Moll in 1985 in which Miami was included as public Ivy (with 7-8 other institutions like U of Texas, U Of North Carolina, William and Mary, U of Michigan, etc.). It was certainly not "made up" by Miami people. Sure, Miami "ran with it".....wouldn't OU if you had been given positive PR like that. And Miami's undergraduate reputuation is stellar and tops in the MAC (with Buffalo).

(11-11-2016 05:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 03:45 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Just think after (2016), EMU with 1 year (2016) will be in the top half of the MAC.

#ThatWasEasy

I think that is true every year for whomever goes to a bowl.

(11-11-2016 05:33 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 03:45 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Correction - UT's bowl ELIGIBILITY streak is 7 years (2010-present).

My bad... I just copied and pasted it straight from the Ohio website. Should have validated before I posted

BobCat Backer:


BB said: them being a "Public Ivy" is a myth they perpetrated to make them look better than they actually are.

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eCK: C'mon, BB, you are better than that! The Public Ivy image came out of the book written by Moll in 1985 in which Miami was included as public Ivy (with 7-8 other institutions like U of Texas, U Of North Carolina, William and Mary, U of Michigan, etc.). It was certainly not "made up" by Miami people. Sure, Miami "ran with it".....wouldn't OU if you had been given positive PR like that. And Miami's undergraduate reputuation is stellar and tops in the MAC (with Buffalo).

(11-11-2016 07:16 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 05:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 03:45 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Bowl Eligibility streaks per the Ohio Athletics website:

T1. NIU - 8 years (2008-2015)
T1. Ohio - 8 years (2008-2016) *
3. Bowling Green - 4 years (2012-2015)
T4. Western Michigan - 3 years ( 2014-2016)*
T4. Toledo - 3 years (2014-2016)*
6. Central Michigan - 2 years (2014-2015)
7. Akron - 1 year (2015)

Just think after (2016), EMU with 1 year (2016) will be in the top half of the MAC.

#ThatWasEasy

I think that is true every year for whomever goes to a bowl.

That is true assuming we have six or fewer bowl teams.

That said, it will be nice to have NIU and BG looking up at us...

(11-10-2016 04:55 PM)DICK Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 01:29 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 12:39 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 12:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 09:26 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Can we just pause for a minute and acknowledge the fact that once upon a time 0-6 Miami is the MAC's best chance for a 5th bowl team?

Edit: Does anyone know Miami's chances of being one of the 5-7 schools selected based off APR?

Here's the teams that will likely bowl before 5-7 Miami (OH)

1. 5-6 Army with 2 FCS wins. They still have Morgan State. Teams with 6 wins, including 2 FCS wins go before 5-7 APR teams. Army is a lock for that position.

2. 4-5 USA with 2 FCS wins. They have a second FCS team (Presbyterian) and NMSU at home. They should win both. If they do, they'll be pick 2 in the unconvntionally qualifying pool

3. 4-6 Hawai'i who bowls before APR teams at 6-7. They have Umass and Freson at home, win those and they bowl before any APR teams.

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Then one would go to the 5-7 APR teams.

Duke (3-6 with UNC, Pitt, Miami (FL))
Northwestern (4-6 with Illinois and @ Purdue)
Vanderbilt (4-5 with Missouri, UK, and Tenn)
Georgia Tech (5-4 with Virginia, VT, and UGA)
North Texas (4-5 with WKU, USM, and UTEP)
Central Florida - (5-4 with Cincy, Tulsa, and USF)
Boston College - (4-5 with Uconn, Fla State, and Wake)
Indiana - (5-4 with Purdue, Penn St and Mich)
Notre Dame - (3-6 with Army, VT, and So Cal left)

NC State is tied with Miami (OH) - If bowl gets to pick a tie breaker, you're not going...NC State is 4-5 with Syracuse, NC and Miami FL remaining.

I think Duke doesn't get to 5, NW qualifies conventionally, Vandy takes the first APR slot, GT qualifies conventionally, UNT takes the second APR spot, UCF qualifies conventionally, BC takes the third APR slot, Indiana qualifies conventionally, ND takes the fourth APR slot and NC State would take the fifth.

So, if even after, Indiana, UCF, GT, and NW qualifying conventionally, and USA, Hawai'i, and Army going....if there are still more than five APR slots, then Miami OH could go. Right now, getting 6 APR teams is a very long shot. I think maybe 2 get in this year.

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Miami's chances of getting an APR spot are small.

Thanks for the detailed post. For the record I'm not a Miami (OH) fan, far from it. Being a "Public Ivy" I expected them to be up there in APR. I just find it incredible that a team that started 0-6 has a legitimate chance of bowling.

them being a "Public Ivy" is a myth they perpetrated to make them look better than they actually are.

Quit being a jerk. Miami earns it rep based on annually being rated #1,#2, or #3 as an undergraduate teaching university. Princeton and Dartmouth are the other 2 who are usually there in the rankings. Miami does not do a great deal with research, does not emphasize graduate school as much, but is a great undergraduate school. The other area Miami always ranks high in is value of the education per dollar earned. If the ranking involve grad school or major research projects, we will not be ranked highly.