(11-10-2016 03:35 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Ken Blackwell, I thought Trump was a racist?



http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/...-team.html

So a voter suppressor and a vicious hater of Gay people is his first hire.

So, you guys were telling us how DJT wasn't a hater of Gays and how great his campaign would be for LGBT folks?

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OMG.. He works for a Hate Group that SPENT 80000 TO DEFEND UGANDA'S KILL THE GAYS BILL.( the Family Research Council).

(11-10-2016 04:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:59 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:50 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Ermagherd muh sky is falling. Raycess bigoted xenophobic shitlord oppressors!

Nice strawman you got there. Would be a shame if you actually had to develop a cohesive argument. Way to shake that deplorable label.

Strawman? Lol. Your people have been parroting that nonsense for years and it's escalating now that the butthurt has set in from the defeat of the worst candidate in history. Liberals are an absolute embarrassment and now they're proceeding to make themselves even more gigantic asses of themselves with "cry-ins" and riots stemming 100% from butthurt. I mean....you nominated HILLARY CLINTON. WTF did you think was going to happen?

Yes, strawman. Your diatribe has nothing to do with anything I said, regardless of how irrelevant it is to me.

Hillary Clinton isn't my candidate, I'm not an SJW, I'm a late 20's white male that just happens to be disgusted by this POS person, and the actions his supporters are getting away with across the country in his name.

Hillary Clinton deserves to be in jail, especially nowhere near Capitol Hill, but if ever there was a worse candidate than her, no question it's Trump.

You're a good man kruciff. I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. I remember the clintons from Arkansas before you were born and watched the players in this comedy my whole life. We got the lesser of two evils. Be patient

(11-10-2016 05:20 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:08 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:47 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  You have no idea how the Founders thought about the separation of church and state. They were against a state church, not the representation of Christianity in the government.

Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams disagree with you.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
– John Adams

Jefferson was not present at the Constitutional Convention or not did he sign the Constitution. Yet he signed the Northwest Ordinance which states, "Religion, morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind"

In addition, the wall separation statement was to reassure a Baptist group that a state church would not be established. Religion in those times in America referred to Christianity.

Ben Franklin called for prayers before meetings of the Constitutional Convention.

Quote:As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

-John Adams

Quote:I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did.

- Benjamin Franklin, letter to his father, 1738

Quote:The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800.

Let's a line from a treaty which is often taken out of context.
According to Frank Lambert, Professor of History at Purdue University, the assurances in Article 11 were "intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers." Lambert writes,
"By their actions, the Founding Fathers made clear that their primary concern was religious freedom, not the advancement of a state religion. Individuals, not the government, would define religious faith and practice in the United States. Thus the Founders ensured that in no official sense would America be a Christian Republic. Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers

Interestingly, a treaty signed in 1805 doesn't have that line.

Your example is from 1738. Benjamin Franklin's father wanted to be in the clergy and he had trouble with his family. Some bitterness lingered. My example is from late in his life and directly relates to the creation of our government.

Thomas Jefferson often spoke against the clergy but he did say this, " Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christians."

He also wrote to Benjamin Rush in 1803, "My views... are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection and very different from the Anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others."

Many Founding Fathers rightly were worried about state churches but they were in support of Christianity.

I can see your point and i don't argue that they were Christian and were probably very vehement in their faith, but the argument I made was the separation of church from the government, which i don't believe has been refuted by your quotes. If anything, it confirms it even more. I'd go into specifics with your quotes but alas I'm on the road now lol

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So now we've got a vote suppressor and a person working for a group supporting state sponsored genocide against LGBT people and a climate change denier.

Whats' next.. And anti-vaxxer (like Donald Trump) at the CDC?

(11-10-2016 05:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:05 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:59 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 03:50 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Ermagherd muh sky is falling. Raycess bigoted xenophobic shitlord oppressors!

Nice strawman you got there. Would be a shame if you actually had to develop a cohesive argument. Way to shake that deplorable label.

Strawman? Lol. Your people have been parroting that nonsense for years and it's escalating now that the butthurt has set in from the defeat of the worst candidate in history. Liberals are an absolute embarrassment and now they're proceeding to make themselves even more gigantic asses of themselves with "cry-ins" and riots stemming 100% from butthurt. I mean....you nominated HILLARY CLINTON. WTF did you think was going to happen?

Yes, strawman. Your diatribe has nothing to do with anything I said, regardless of how irrelevant it is to me.

Hillary Clinton isn't my candidate, I'm not an SJW, I'm a late 20's white male that just happens to be disgusted by this POS person, and the actions his supporters are getting away with across the country in his name.

Hillary Clinton deserves to be in jail, especially nowhere near Capitol Hill, but if ever there was a worse candidate than her, no question it's Trump.

You're a good man kruciff. I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. I remember the clintons from Arkansas before you were born and watched the players in this comedy my whole life. We got the lesser of two evils. Be patient

I'm incredibly worried about what Trump will do to our environmental policy. The world is on the precipice of catastrophic irreversible climate change, and Trump seems to be about to appoint a climate change denier to the head of environmental policy, abolish corporate pollution regulations, and do away with the EPA. That absolutely cannot happen.

This appointment is not a good start

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Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

(11-10-2016 04:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:52 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:46 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  [Trump] will be the Republican's Clinton. At least he can be if he wants to be.

It's going to make some Republicans here very angry, but it probably has to be done, just like Clinton had to do with a party that had suffered historical annihilation at the presidential polls... Clinton shed Democratic platform opposition to the death penalty like it was just another secret service agent trying to track his late night whereabouts.

Is there any other issue besides the death-penalty where Clinton went against the base of his party?

welfare reform.

Welfare reform, NAFTA, pledged legalizing gays in the military and then came up with a half measure that didn't really do that, not really very pro-union at all.

To be clear, by "base" we're not talking about the rank and file who don't believe passionately on these issues, but the doctrinaire extremes that usually manage (by being the loudest, most active, and most liable to vote in the primaries) to hold the parties to certain generally unpopular "principles". I'm not trying to say that Clinton ran away from the majority of the Democratic voting bloc, just the far left, but influential, wing.

And to be even more exact, it's not so much the principles but the extreme, narrow and zero tolerance adherence to certain principles. The vast majority of Republican voters would strongly say they support Second Amendment rights. But the majority would also support some well-reasoned regulation if given the option.

Just like in general, Republican voters are going to be pro law-enforcement, but most would like to see the most obvious and extreme cases come to justice instead of Republicans falling into lock step with police without question.

It takes an unusual situation for a candidate to move the ball a little on those kind of things, and you might have it with Trump.

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

More hires

Kay Cole James - another horrendous anti-gay bigot and graduate of Pat Robertson "University", James is also a member of the FRC, an organization that supports jailing people for being Gay in the USA and elsewhere and spent 80 grand to defend Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill. The head of the FRC also paid David Duke almost 100 grand. James publicly compares Gay people to drug addicts.

Ed Meese - Disgraced former AG and a supporter of refusing Gay people a hotel room or a restaurant meal.

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Looks like DJT is governing like Fred Phelps so far.

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

I agree with your first statement. Seems like a poor choice IMO.

(11-10-2016 05:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

Yea, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is funny to you...

(11-10-2016 04:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna laugh my ass off when Trump ends up governing like the Liberal he is on a whole lot of issues.

Liberal recognize Liberal? Certainly looks like it.

(11-10-2016 06:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

Yea, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is funny to you...

Yeah, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is 'real' to you...

(11-10-2016 06:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:41 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Im surprised by this pick. Dude has baggage that Libs like Tom will dive upon. Not impressed with this guy's record of service from what I have quickly read online about him. I actually thought Trump would do everything he could to surround himself with people without baggage. Maybe that is impossible in politics now. One thing is for sure. The ball is in Trump's court. He is the man..right or wrong. He has to own the good and the bad.

And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

Yea, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is funny to you...

Yeah, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is 'real' to you...

It is..people do get murdered by the state for the 'crime of being Gay'. It is absolutely real. And its expansion was defended by the FRC using tens of thousands of dollars.

(11-10-2016 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:44 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And for a person who lost the popular vote amid accusations of voter supression to hire this guy as his first hire?

We are going to see the Trump administration filled with people who hate Gays at all levels. FRC doesn't do anything else. They basically exist to abuse LGBT people.

You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

Yea, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is funny to you...

Yeah, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is 'real' to you...

It is..people do get murdered by the state for the 'crime of being Gay'. It is absolutely real. And its expansion was defended by the FRC using tens of thousands of dollars.

(11-10-2016 06:20 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:16 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 06:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 05:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  You know, the next few month are going to be more fun than I thought.

The triggered folks are in full meltdown. Highly entertaining.

Yea, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is funny to you...

Yeah, state sponsored genocide of LGBT people is 'real' to you...

It is..people do get murdered by the state for the 'crime of being Gay'. It is absolutely real. And its expansion was defended by the FRC using tens of thousands of dollars.

http://www.advocate.com/world/2016/8/05/...long-trend

Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill - sought to expand the practice to Uganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Ant..._Act,_2014

FRC's lobbying to defend Uganda's Kill the Gays Bill..

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-resea...-gay-bill/

FRC's denials are a lie as they never proposed any substitution langauage and FRC is on record repeatedly supporting criminal penalties for being Gay in the USA and elsewhere. Do you really want 100 links to Tony Perkins and Sprigg supporting criminalization in the USA and elsewhere? Ask and you shall receive.

It wouldn't bother me too much if The Donald goes to the center. We have a party that's extreme Right and one that's extreme Left. Why not the Center. Our political system is so screwed up that we didn't have anyone that was in the middle, and I'll be darn if Oblunder was anything but extreme Left. Nor Killary.

(11-10-2016 03:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Trump gained in hispanic women? Wow. Maybe all of those new florida voters were woman of cuban decent, because the cuban hispanics broke hard for Trump.

ReallY? I didn't see that stat earlier. I heard that white college-educated females went for Trump more than they thought they would. (at least per Sky News).

I didn't see the hispanic vote increase.

(11-10-2016 04:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:49 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I like it.

Ohio in the house woot woot

Orino