(08-03-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  All the gangsters on the south side have guns, yet death happens every day down there. I thought guns lead to less death, I guess I was wrong.

Also, those guns aren't purchased in Chicago, they come in from Indiana or from the back of a car. It is legal to own a gun in Chicago, you just can't buy it in Chicago. I lived in Chicago for 6 years and had my gun with me or in my place all the time. Then again I never once saw someone shoot a gun or get shot by a gun in Chicago. What you have in Chicago is an education and segregation problem. The south side appears to be "lost" and no one is doing anything about it politically. How would legalizing the purchase of firearms in Chicago end the killing? I'd be very interested to know.

So now gangsters are law abiding gun owners? nice spin you got there

(08-03-2016 11:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:46 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  All the gangsters on the south side have guns, yet death happens every day down there. I thought guns lead to less death, I guess I was wrong.

Because those gangsters have zero respect for life and their chosen profession leaves them without any legal recourse.

Quote:What you have in Chicago is an education and segregation problem. The south side appears to be "lost" and no one is doing anything about it politically. How would legalizing the purchase of firearms in Chicago end the killing? I'd be very interested to know.

It's not a lack of education as CPS has plenty of schools and a district wide curricula. Many residents simply see no utility in formal education. While legalizing firearms wouldn't make a difference, the point of the OP is that strict gun laws only work when a majority of citizens choses to abide by them.

As for how to change the situation, that is up to the residents. They can either start snitchin' and cooperate with the police to arrest and sentence violent offenders or the ones that ain't about that thug life can chose to move somewhere safer.

I agree with most of your post except for the part about moving away. It's not that easy. I'm sure they would if they could.

So why did so much of the criminal element seem to move south in the first place?

(08-03-2016 11:56 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  So why did so much of the criminal element seem to move south in the first place?

Well quiet is kept Hood, many blacks from the Great Migration found out that the North was/can be just as racist as the South. In this regard DogPound is correct that segregation concentrated blacks in one area of town. Granted, in the 60's Chicago had strictly defined Polish, Italian and Hispanics areas as well.

The turn to criminality was a result of being locked out of opportunities as integration slowly bled out the economic vitality of these areas. Combined with the perverse incentives of some of the Great Society programs created a toxic brew of misery.

(08-03-2016 10:36 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 10:31 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  All the gangsters on the south side have guns, yet death happens every day down there. I thought guns lead to less death, I guess I was wrong.
Also, those guns aren't purchased in Chicago, they come in from Indiana or from the back of a car. It is legal to own a gun in Chicago, you just can't buy it in Chicago. I lived in Chicago for 6 years and had my gun with me or in my place all the time. Then again I never once saw someone shoot a gun or get shot by a gun in Chicago. What you have in Chicago is an education and segregation problem. The south side appears to be "lost" and no one is doing anything about it politically. How would legalizing the purchase of firearms in Chicago end the killing? I'd be very interested to know.

That is not the point. The point is that making the purchase of firearms illegal has not stopped the killing. You can offer whatever excuse you want, Indiana or whatever, but the bottom line is that outlawing the purchase and sale of firearms has not stopped the killing.

It has on the north side and downtown, and even on the west side where it used to be very bad. And you didn't tell me how legalizing the purchase of guns in Chicago would change anything.

The people of the west side would like to have a word with you:

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/homicides

The level of violence all over the city is on an uptick. The armed robberies in the 19th district are getting out of control. And its slowly shifting west of the red line, just this week someone was shot in the neck at Belmont and Racine. Right amongst the million dollar homes of lake view!

(08-03-2016 11:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree with most of your post except for the part about moving away. It's not that easy. I'm sure they would if they could.

My Mom got out of Robert Taylor Homes way back in 1973. Living in the projects and Section 8 housing of Springfield and Quad Cities are statistically safer hanging out on the South Side.

Good for her. I'm sure she was one of the lucky ones. It's doable don't get me wrong. It takes a certain amount of smarts and determination and a little luck doesn't hurt.

(08-03-2016 12:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree with most of your post except for the part about moving away. It's not that easy. I'm sure they would if they could.

My Mom got out of Robert Taylor Homes way back in 1973. Living in the projects and Section 8 housing of Springfield and Quad Cities are statistically safer hanging out on the South Side.

Good for her. I'm sure she was one of the lucky ones. It's doable don't get me wrong. It takes a certain amount of smarts and determination and a little luck doesn't hurt.

I won't discount the luck. But the first two factor a great deal more IMO. She was one of 8 and half got out and did ok.

The thing that always surprised me is how few recruits the Navy gets from the Southside considering RTC Great Lakes is just on the other side of town.

Chicago is about to get deadlier. Obama just commuted the sentences of over 200 more people, some with life sentences and some who mixed firearms with drugs.

President Obama on Wednesday cut short the sentences of 214 federal inmates, including 67 life sentences, in what the White House called the largest batch of commutations on a single day in more than a century.

Almost all the prisoners were serving time for nonviolent crimes related to cocaine, methamphetamine or other drugs, although a few were charged with firearms violations related to their drug activities.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/...oners.html

(08-03-2016 12:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The thing that always surprised me is how few recruits the Navy gets from the Southside considering RTC Great Lakes is just on the other side of town.

From my experience living in Chicago and Chicagoland for a decade, RTC Great Lakes is not a blip on anyone's radar. Even on the North Shore.

I'd bet 99 /100 people in Chicagoland don't know it's there and I'd imagine a young African-America male on the southside has about as much knowledge of RTC Great Lakes as he does of Madagascar. As in zero.

Good guys cleaning house this year. It is a great place to do your annual purge. No cops around.

(08-03-2016 02:55 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 12:39 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The thing that always surprised me is how few recruits the Navy gets from the Southside considering RTC Great Lakes is just on the other side of town.

From my experience living in Chicago and Chicagoland for a decade, RTC Great Lakes is not a blip on anyone's radar. Even on the North Shore.

I'd bet 99 /100 people in Chicagoland don't know it's there and I'd imagine a young African-America male on the southside has about as much knowledge of RTC Great Lakes as he does of Madagascar. As in zero.

Orlando had closed by the time I enlisted, so when I told my Mom where I was going she was shocked. She would confirm you're sentiment; no one knows Great Mistakes is even there.

Great Mistakes. Oh, the allure of a Great Lakes winter on the grinder.

(08-03-2016 03:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Great Mistakes. Oh, the allure of a Great Lakes winter on the grinder.

LOL

One of my last firefighters was a Navy vet who used to talk about how the longest decade of his life was the 9 weeks of winter he spent at Great Lakes during his boot camp.

(08-03-2016 04:03 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 03:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Great Mistakes. Oh, the allure of a Great Lakes winter on the grinder.

LOL

One of my last firefighters was a Navy vet who used to talk about how the longest decade of his life was the 9 weeks of winter he spent at Great Lakes during his boot camp.

Chicago's homicide rate decreases during the cold months. So global warming will ultimately lead to more murders. Dang, the homies just can't catch a break.