(07-03-2016 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: I hope this has since been removed from the by laws, but I'm not holding my breath...
(07-03-2016 08:51 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: I'm not sure there are enough votes for 3-5-5. If you read Yow's entire interview she has some choice words regarding schools in the Coastal that do not want to change anything. From the bylaws in 2013:
Article II. CONFERENCE COMPETITION
The Conference will be split into two divisions titled Atlantic (Maryland, Clemson, North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Florida State) and Coastal (Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech and Miami) in the sports of football and baseball.
It takes 3/4 to change the bylaws and 2/3 to approve the TV contract. 12 schools have to be willing to vote to change divisions. 10 are needed to approve the television contract. Since the divisional makeup is part of the bylaws, that's locked until there are 12 votes to change it.
DUMBEST THING THE ACC EVER DID... EVER... WHO SPELLS OUT DIVISIONS IN THE STINKING BY-LAWS? THAT IS JUST SOOO INAPPROPRIATE! Should be something like "The member institutions will determine which teams will play in each division" - and leave it at that! This way it's possible for 4 teams to make the other 11 miserable...
It's in the bylaws because certain schools are not stupid and had various reasons to protect their perceived positions as they saw them at the time. The reason Duke and UNC were okay with VT is that VT would fill their football stadiums. Those two also have long standing reasons to demand GT, etc., etc.
What happened since that original divisional split was that Miami football self-destructed, Clemson football reached a new all-time level (yes better than under Ford in the 80's or Frank Howard in the 50's) and Maryland stab us in the back and left a DC/NOVA hole in the Atlantic.
When the divisions were first created, Miami and FSU were thought to be programs on an equal footing and therefore interchangeable. VT and Clemson were thought to be rough equals. Maryland and UVa played in the same greater DC market extending out from DC to Wilmington Delaware, down to the Tidewater, and west into the WVa panhandle.
Now, Atlantic schools appear in the DelMarVa just once every six years, and just once every 12 year in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Conversely the Coastal is has that same one in 12 only in South Carolina. To my mind this is a greater hurdle than having both Clemson and FSU in the same division.
Below is a compilation of where the blue chip recruits in football hail from and you can see that the States in the main ACC footprint produce:
Florida - 45 on average per year
Georgia - 28 on average per year
Virginia - 11 on average per year
NC - 10 on average per year
PA - 8 on average per year
SC - 7 on average per year
MD - 7 on average per year
DC - 2 on average per year
KY - 2 on average per year
NY - 1 on average per year
Atlantic schools average 65
Coastal schools average 111
State '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 Total Percentage of total
Florida 45 47 50 42 46 230 14.0%
Texas 43 52 47 37 46 225 13.7%
California 36 45 44 34 41 200 12.2%
Georgia 33 26 34 23 25 141 8.6%
Ohio 15 12 17 15 19 78 4.8%
Louisiana 12 21 13 16 12 74 4.5%
Alabama 14 8 12 11 13 58 3.5%
Virginia 14 6 13 10 13 56 3.4%
North Carolina 7 15 9 13 7 51 3.1%
Tennessee 9 8 11 7 9 44 2.7%
Pennsylvania 8 9 9 7 10 43 2.6%
New Jersey 4 8 7 10 11 40 2.4%
Illinois 5 6 5 12 9 37 2.3%
Mississippi 5 11 7 8 5 36 2.2%
Michigan 10 9 4 4 8 35 2.1%
Maryland 8 11 6 4 6 35 2.1%
South Carolina 4 5 5 9 5 28 1.7%
Arizona 6 5 2 7 6 26 1.6%
Indiana 3 4 3 6 7 23 1.4%
Oklahoma 4 1 5 7 2 19 1.2%
Washington 4 3 6 2 2 17 1.0%
Arkansas 2 3 5 2 3 15 0.9%
Utah 4 2 3 3 1 13 0.8%
D.C. 1 4 3 2 3 13 0.8%
Nevada 5 0 3 4 0 12 0.7%
Missouri 3 1 3 3 2 12 0.7%
Oregon 2 2 1 2 3 10 0.6%
Colorado 2 1 3 3 1 10 0.6%
Hawaii 2 2 4 0 2 10 0.6%
Kentucky 1 3 2 2 1 9 0.5%
New York 1 0 1 3 1 6 0.4%
Minnesota 0 1 1 3 1 6 0.4%
Kansas 0 3 0 3 0 6 0.4%
Iowa 0 2 0 2 1 5 0.3%
Wisconsin 0 2 0 2 1 5 0.3%
Connecticut 2 0 2 0 0 4 0.2%
Delaware 1 0 0 1 0 2 0.1%
New Mexico 1 0 1 0 0 2 0.1%
Massachusetts 0 0 0 0 2 2 0.1%
Nebraska 0 0 0 0 2 2 0.1%
Idaho 0 0 1 0 0 1 0.1%
South Dakota 0 1 0 0 0 1 0.1%
Alaska 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
Maine 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
Montana 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
New Hampshire 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
North Dakota 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
Rhode Island 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
Vermont 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
West Virginia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
Wyoming 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0%
National 316 339 342 319 326 1642 100.0%