keeps divisions balanced, preserves rivalries, and makes the divisions a true zipper with the NC and VA teams split, BC and Syracuse in the Atlantic and Louisville and Pitt in the Coastal. check out the link below and see VT's historic rivals. they've played FSU more than Miami, NCSU more than UNC, and WF more than Duke. VT-UVa and BC-Louisville become a permanent crossovers. keep the other permanent crossover rivals as is. Done. Tell Swofford to drop my consultant check in the mail.
http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/vatech/series2.shtml
If you want balance by travel time for fans this makes more sense:
Miami
FSU
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Wake Forest
can't put UVa in a northern division, especially if they're separated from Duke and UNC, lest we drive them into Delaney's arms.
(06-28-2016 10:57 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]If you want balance by travel time for fans this makes more sense:
Miami
FSU
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Wake Forest
Louisville fans would hate that.
Keep 'em as is or eliminate 'em. Problem solved
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(06-28-2016 12:51 PM)uofl05 Wrote: [ -> ]Louisville fans would hate that.
I don't know about "Hate" ...maybe Very Strongly Dislike with passion...
But think of this; we probably would make the ACC Championship game more often in that setup..???
FLossY Out...
I want to PLAY Louisville, not trade places with them!
In my mind, this would accomplish very little - although it WOULD be nice to play Clemson every year, but not if it means losing games against Miami, Ga Tech and Pitt.
There are no EASY solutions to ACC divisions.
ACC school deal breakers as I know them:
1. UNC has to play Duke and UVa every year in football
2. UVa will not accept a "Northern" division
3. VT will not accept a division that keeps it from playing two NC schools a year
4. NC State has to play UNC and Clemson every year in football
5. Clemson will not accept a 3rd "Northern" football game (no Pitt/Syracuse/BC in the same year, every year)
6. Miami has to play FSU every year
After "deal breakers" come wants and rathers and here are the ones I know:
1. WF wants to play NC State/and or UNC every year
2. FSU wants to play BC, WF, Syracuse, and Duke as rarely as possible
3. Every school not in Florida, wants to play in Florida at least every other year
4. Clemson wants to play just one game a year north of Charlottesville
5. FSU, Clemson, GT, VT, NC State, and UNC want to be able to schedule two home chumps every year
6. Syracuse wants to play in Miami, and Atlanta more often
Then comes ACC office wants and here are the ones I know:
1. Maximize revenue in the current situation
2. Rehabilitate one of UNC/NC State, Miami, and UVa in football so that three of these four are more attractive to TV
3. Keep the "hot heads" tampered down at FSU and Clemson
4. Increase the number of football games with ND
Then comes a Southern school want:
1. Not having BC and Syracuse in the same division
That's a lot of moving parts.
The Syracuse/VT swap is most sensible of swaps.
(06-28-2016 04:29 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]The Syracuse/VT swap is most sensible of swaps.
Plausible.
Won't happen but.....
Louisville-----------------Syracuse
FSU--------------------------Pitt
Clemson-------------------NC STATE
Virginia Tech------------Virginia
Miami-----------------------BC
UNC-------------------------Duke
GTech---------------------Wake
As with most issues discussed by the general public, there is always a very strong recency bias. If you look at division assignments since the ACC expanded beyond 9 members, you would see that at the time we expanded to 12 the Coastal was the stronger of the two divisions (based on W-L results in league games for the prior 10 years).
It is only in the past five years that Clemson established itself as #1-A along with FSU. If you look at the ten year league records after we went to divisions, Va Tech had the most wins (62), while FSU (53), Clemson (52) and Ga Tech (51) are closely bunched in the next tier, followed by Miami (43) and BC (42).
To make realignment decisions based on short term performance makes little sense unless you are prepared to shift them on a frequent basis, always chasing the most recent data.
(06-28-2016 05:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2016 04:29 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]The Syracuse/VT swap is most sensible of swaps.
Plausible.
As long as Syracuse becomes Louisville's crossover game every year
(06-28-2016 08:53 PM)ULdave Wrote: [ -> ]Won't happen but.....
Louisville-----------------Syracuse
FSU--------------------------Pitt
Clemson-------------------NC STATE
Virginia Tech------------Virginia
Miami-----------------------BC
UNC-------------------------Duke
GTech---------------------Wake
All the Big Dogs on one side ! That would make America stand up and watch every week.
(06-29-2016 09:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2016 08:53 PM)ULdave Wrote: [ -> ]Won't happen but.....
Louisville-----------------Syracuse
FSU--------------------------Pitt
Clemson-------------------NC STATE
Virginia Tech------------Virginia
Miami-----------------------BC
UNC-------------------------Duke
GTech---------------------Wake
All the Big Dogs on one side ! That would make America stand up and watch every week.
Pretty much relegates the other division to ESPN3.
(06-29-2016 09:51 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2016 05:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2016 04:29 PM)esayem Wrote: [ -> ]The Syracuse/VT swap is most sensible of swaps.
Plausible.
As long as Syracuse becomes Louisville's crossover game every year
Louisville would get Pitt, their closest opponent. Syracuse would continue to play BC rivalry week, and VT would play UVa.
*I guess VT is Louisville's closest opponent by ~10 mins, but that switch would guarantee a VT-Louisville game every year anyway.
Or, we could leave the divisions as-is and let VT & UVa swap cross-overs... that way the annual cross-overs would be VT-UL and UVa-BC.
(06-29-2016 12:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Or, we could leave the divisions as-is and let VT & UVa swap cross-overs... that way the annual cross-overs would be VT-UL and UVa-BC.
Bingo ! We have a winner.
I like it !
(06-29-2016 12:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Or, we could leave the divisions as-is and let VT & UVa swap cross-overs... that way the annual cross-overs would be VT-UL and UVa-BC.
That doesn't help with the fact that the Atlantic Division has to go to the Godforsaken Northeast every year.
(06-28-2016 08:53 PM)ULdave Wrote: [ -> ]Won't happen but.....
Louisville-----------------Syracuse
FSU--------------------------Pitt
Clemson-------------------NC STATE
Virginia Tech------------Virginia
Miami-----------------------BC
UNC-------------------------Duke
GTech---------------------Wake
Won't work!
Carolina can live without playing NC State....but you have to put UVa on our schedule.