(05-23-2016 03:40 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  WVU is a pretty Northeastern school in reality. It wouldn't surprise me if they really do see value in getting another Northeastern state flagship into the conference.

They're many good options the big12 could choose from and come away looking like champs... However, if it doesn't make Texas sense it ain't happening, not under UT's watch.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Texas has already warn them all if expansion moves forward. I think is why we're seeing back peddling now from those who were in favor.

(05-23-2016 01:16 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Call me when the Austin newspaper starts putting these out.

From yesterday

http://www.hookem.com/story/big-12-expan...need-know/

http://www.hookem.com/story/examining-bi...stand-pat/

And today for TripleA

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...-tour-byu/

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...ise-state/


Could be more schools but I can't be on Hook Em.com too long

(05-23-2016 05:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:16 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Call me when the Austin newspaper starts putting these out.

From yesterday

http://www.hookem.com/story/big-12-expan...need-know/

http://www.hookem.com/story/examining-bi...stand-pat/

And today for TripleA

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...-tour-byu/

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...ise-state/


Could be more schools but I can't be on Hook Em.com too long

None of those articles seem to be as pro-expansion as the namesake of this thread.

(05-23-2016 05:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:16 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Call me when the Austin newspaper starts putting these out.

From yesterday

http://www.hookem.com/story/big-12-expan...need-know/

http://www.hookem.com/story/examining-bi...stand-pat/

And today for TripleA

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...-tour-byu/

http://www.hookem.com/2016/05/23/big-12-...ise-state/


Could be more schools but I can't be on Hook Em.com too long

LOL. I saw the Boise and BYU stories. Looks like they are going in alphabetical order through all the usual suspects. Those are the first two, alphabetically.

Re: the other two, Bohls is firmly in the no-expansion camp. I read one and skimmed the other. No matter your position on any of this, you can find a media story to support it or refute it, for sure. I think by a week after the next meeting, they might announce an intent to expand, w/o necessarily naming schools.

KUsports.com says if B12 expands they should add USF and UCF.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/may/2...ida-place/

Tom Keegan: If Big 12 expands, Florida is the place

(05-25-2016 01:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  KUsports.com says if B12 expands they should add USF and UCF.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/may/2...ida-place/

Tom Keegan: If Big 12 expands, Florida is the place

Like I said, if you look long enough, you can find a media article to support almost any position you want.

I think USF and UCF are in the mix if they go to 14.

(05-25-2016 01:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:01 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  KUsports.com says if B12 expands they should add USF and UCF.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/may/2...ida-place/

Tom Keegan: If Big 12 expands, Florida is the place

Like I said, if you look long enough, you can find a media article to support almost any position you want.

I think USF and UCF are in the mix if they go to 14.

He seems to say if they go to 12, USF and UCF should be added.

But I agree, you can find a media article supporting any view and any (and every) program.

I doubt anyone has less pull in Big 12 expansion than KU.

If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

My impression is they have no problem with 11 and 12. They are debating 13 and 14 among most of the usual media suspects. And they have a long way to go to untangle the Tier 3 contracts to create a B12N.

I think that was the frustration Boren expressed to Dennis Dodd, which Dodd mistook for no expansion. I'm almost certain they will expand, and pretty sure they will go to 14, to make the B12N work. But it may take them until Christmas to figure it out, lol. They have been mulling this decision for well over 2 years now. But they finally got serious at the meeting last February.

As for Texas, I don't think they are opposed to anything, as long as they get paid for the LHN, make even more with a B12N, and continue to get the exposure they want for their brand. The prelim numbers we heard support all that, and it's what BVH will present next week. But what they do with it, and when, is anybody's guess. But I would be really surprised if they don't expand.

(05-25-2016 01:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

My impression is they have no problem with 11 and 12. They are debating 13 and 14 among most of the usual media suspects. And they have a long way to go to untangle the Tier 3 contracts to create a B12N.

I think that was the frustration Boren expressed to Dennis Dodd, which Dodd mistook for no expansion. I'm almost certain they will expand, and pretty sure they will go to 14, to make the B12N work. But it may take them until Christmas to figure it out, lol. They have been mulling this decision for well over 2 years now. But they finally got serious at the meeting last February.

As for Texas, I don't think they are opposed to anything, as long as they get paid for the LHN, make even more with a B12N, and continue to get the exposure they want for their brand. The prelim numbers we heard support all that, and it's what BVH will present next week. But what they do with it, and when, is anybody's guess. But I would be really surprised if they don't expand.

Personal opinion here. I don't think they expand until at LEAST January. They need time to figure out the LHN and Big 12 Network...if they can figure out a way to make Texas happy, and make money.

Once they do expand, I believe it will be east. Way more TV sets east then west. Colorado State is a non starter, to me. BYU, maybe, but not likely. Houston, I am sorry, but I don't think you make the first cut (again, this is my opinion). There are too many possible no votes from the Texas bloc.

So, you are left with 5 candidates for the first 2 spots. In no particular order: UCF, USF, UConn, Cincinnati, and Memphis.

The B12 could be bold and add USF and UCF first, but I don't think that's likely either. I think the very first add is Cincinnati. Partially, because it's close to WVU. Plus they do add good value. At that point you'd probably go with a UConn or Memphis at 12.

I see the USF and UCF combo being added probably 6 months after 11 and 12, as the TV network issues are finalized, and they understand what bringing in the combined #4 market would bring.

Not to worry Houston, I see you added also in some way, whether Big 12 goes to 16, Pac 12 goes to 14, or Big 10 goes to 16 (which will happen by the way...and don't be surprised if it's someone like Texas). There will seats available for the major candidates.

That's how I see it anyway.

(05-25-2016 01:42 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I doubt anyone has less pull in Big 12 expansion than KU.

They have one vote just like everyone else.

(05-25-2016 01:42 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I doubt anyone has less pull in Big 12 expansion than KU.

Oh, I don't know. I put their influence miles ahead of UH's.

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

Agree. Biggest hype over nothing I've ever seen!!!!

(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

Texas isn't going to offer charity and give up the LHN. I'm not even sure that an extra $25 Million is going to fly for them. They could just join the SEC if they just want to join a conference network and lose the LHN.

(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

If what I heard was right, B12 got the prelim network numbers months ago. Showed it works with 12 or 14. BVH is confirming. They prefer 14. They haven't decided on 13 and 14, and network contracts will take months to untangle. But right now, that's the plan. It's a lot farther along than most think. Maybe they figure it out next week or soon after, or maybe they take 6 more months. Or maybe they announce 11 and 12, and figure out the rest later. But I think they will do something, one way or the other. Eventually, lol. It's sorta likes watching tortoises mate.

(05-25-2016 07:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

If what I heard was right, B12 got the prelim network numbers months ago. Showed it works with 12 or 14. BVH is confirming. They prefer 14. They haven't decided on 13 and 14, and network contracts will take months to untangle. But right now, that's the plan. It's a lot farther along than most think. Maybe they figure it out next week or soon after, or maybe they take 6 more months. Or maybe they announce 11 and 12, and figure out the rest later. But I think they will do something, one way or the other. Eventually, lol. It's sorta likes watching tortoises mate.

What does BVH stand for? Thanks ahead of time.

(05-25-2016 08:17 PM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 07:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:24 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:49 PM)Bull Wrote:  If they are agonizing this much about going to 12... I would really doubt they would consider going to 14...

That said, don't sleep on Florida if they go to 14. Going to 14 would mean they are actually building a conference for the long-term, not just affixing a Band-Aid (adding 2) until Tx and Ok leave...

Don't think they will spend much time "agonizing" over expansion numbers until the come to a conclusion to how to reimburse Texas for turning their OWN channel LHN into the Big 12 Network. (Hint: It will cost the conf more than the $15 Million per year Texas is getting now from ESPN).

Until that matter is ever finalized...zero need to discuss adding 2 or 4 more teams...because a Big 12 Network is really the ONLY reason why expansion will happen in the first place.

If what I heard was right, B12 got the prelim network numbers months ago. Showed it works with 12 or 14. BVH is confirming. They prefer 14. They haven't decided on 13 and 14, and network contracts will take months to untangle. But right now, that's the plan. It's a lot farther along than most think. Maybe they figure it out next week or soon after, or maybe they take 6 more months. Or maybe they announce 11 and 12, and figure out the rest later. But I think they will do something, one way or the other. Eventually, lol. It's sorta likes watching tortoises mate.

What does BVH stand for? Thanks ahead of time.

BVH is an abbreviation for the group that is handling the study on the television numbers(second opinion). Bevaqua etc...

(05-25-2016 04:45 PM)Groo Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 01:42 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I doubt anyone has less pull in Big 12 expansion than KU.

Oh, I don't know. I put their influence miles ahead of UH's.

I sincerely doubt it. When was the last time KU won a game?






If the Big 12 puts their egos aside, does the right thing, and allows us back in with our peer institutions (whom we've been conference mates and rivals with longer than KU), we'll show you what a real football team looks like.