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RE: Creative ESPN article putting AAC teams in P5
(05-10-2016 12:47 PM)mtmedlin Wrote: I dont even know how TUlane got into the AAU. THey dont even rank in the top 100 in research dollars. Hell, UCF actually beat them.... and USF did almost 3 TIMES as much research. Yep, Tulane is amazing alright.... but they have a great market... oh yeah, UCF and USFs markets are larger. In fact only Houston (of the teams mentioned) has a larger market than USF or UCF.
For all this guys blathering, it wont matter. Everything I am hearing is it will be Cinci, BYU or Uconn. THose are the three... and have been for months.
How did we get in? Here's how. Having the best faculty, doing the best work, and peer recognition.
Quote:"AAU membership is by invitation only, which requires an affirmative vote of three fourths of current members. Invitations are considered periodically, based in part on an assessment of the breadth and quality of university programs of research and graduate education, as well as undergraduate education. The association ranks its members using four criteria: research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations. Two thirds of members can vote to revoke membership for poor rankings."
The AAU is an elite association of the best major research universities in the country. Those who are in it are in it because they are best at doing the hardest work.
Quote:"The largest attraction of the AAU for many schools, especially nonmembers, is prestige. For example, in 2010 the chancellor of nonmember North Carolina State University described it as "the pre-eminent research-intensive membership group. To be a part of that organization is something N.C. State aspires to."[1] A spokesman for nonmember University of Connecticut called it "perhaps the most elite organization in higher education. You'd probably be hard-pressed to find a major research university that didn't want to be a member of the AAU."[2] In 2012, the new elected chancellor of University of Massachusetts Amherst, a nonmember of AAU, reaffirmed the framework goal of elevating the campus to AAU standards which inspire them to become a member in the near future, and called it a distinctive status.[3] Because of the lengthy and difficult entrance process, boards of trustees, state legislators, and donors often see membership as evidence of the quality of a university.[1]
The AAU acts as a lobbyist at its headquarters in the city of Washington, D.C. for research and higher education funding and for policy and regulatory issues affecting research universities. The association holds two meetings annually, both in Washington. Separate meetings are held for university presidents, provosts, and other officials. Because the meetings are private they offer the opportunity for discussion without media coverage. Prominent government officials, businessmen, and others often speak to the groups.[1]
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As of 2004, AAU members accounted for 58%[4] of U.S. universities' research grants and contract income and 52% of all doctorates awarded in the United States. Since 1999, 43% of all Nobel Prize winners and 74% of winners at U.S. institutions have been affiliated with an AAU university. Approximately two thirds of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences 2006 Class of Fellows are affiliated with an AAU university. The faculties at AAU universities include 2,993 members of the United States National Academies (82% of all members): the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine (2004).[5]
Undergraduate students: 1,044,759; 7% nationally
Undergraduate degrees awarded: 235,328; 17% nationally
Graduate students: 418,066; 20% nationally
Master’s degrees awarded: 106,971; 19% nationally
Professional degrees awarded: 20,859; 25% nationally
Doctorates awarded: 22,747; 52% nationally
Postdoctoral fellows: 30,430; 67% nationally
Students studying abroad: 57,205
National Merit/Achievement Scholars (2004): 5,434; 63% nationally
Faculty: approximately 72,000"
You can flush millions down the toilet doing pedestrian/meta/confirmation research to artificially boost your research spend rate to gain imaginary points in the ARWU, but that doesn't make you an elite University. In fact, the ARWU (before re-branding known as the Shanghai Ranking System, still published by the "Shanghai Ranking Consultancy") Is pretty much total crap, and may even be entirely fradulent.
Quote:"It is condemned for "relying too much on award factors" thus undermining the importance of quality of instruction and humanities.[5][7][17][18] A 2007 paper published in the journal Scientometrics found that the results from the Shanghai rankings could not be reproduced from raw data using the method described by Liu and Cheng. A 2013 paper in the same journal finally showed how the Shanghai ranking results could be reproduced. In a report from April 2009, J-C. Billaut, D. Bouyssou and Ph. Vincke analyse how the ARWU works, using their insights as specialists of Multiple Criteria Decision Making (MCDM). Their main conclusions are that the criteria used are not relevant; that the aggregation methodology has a number of major problems; and that insufficient attention has been paid to fundamental choices of criteria."
Sorry random USF fan on an internet message board, Tulane is an elite top 50 school in the country with one of the best student profiles, a billion dollar endowment and an acceptance rate at 24%-- USF and UCF are in the 150s somewhere, both have acceptance rates near 50%, USF has a 480M endowment, UCF has a 155M endowment, and UCF has turned itself into the country's largest degree mill. Those are just facts, no sense getting all riled up about it.
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Creative ESPN article putting AAC teams in P5
