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Conference Athletic Budgets
CUSA Athletic Budgets (ODU has the highest budget among CUSA Schools)

Almost $11,000,000 more than Charlotte the 2nd highest budget in our conference

Con Rank National Rank
1). 63 Old Dominion C-USA $43,994,715 $42,780,118 $28,419,259 64.60
2). 77 Charlotte C-USA $33,124,557 $28,573,920 $22,632,085 68.32
3). 81 Alabama at Birmingham C-USA $31,896,726 $31,066,375 $19,607,780 61.47
4). 83Middle Tennessee C-USA $31,671,166 $31,671,166 $19,459,839 61.44
5). 85 North Texas C-USA $31,312,298 $31,268,741 $20,079,077 64.13
6). 86Florida Atlantic C-USA $30,919,633 $29,794,361 $19,023,004 61.52
7). 88 Western Kentucky C-USA $30,212,548 $30,212,548 $19,493,007 64.52
8). 89 Texas-El Paso C-USA $29,836,835 $29,395,257 $15,949,810 53.46
9). 95 Florida International C-USA $28,613,452 $30,483,759 $23,620,086 82.55
10). 101 Marshall C-USA $27,069,138 $27,397,209 $12,218,077 45.14
11). 105 Texas-San Antonio C-USA $26,807,547 $26,177,864 $13,793,982 51.46
12). 118 Southern Mississippi C-USA $23,972,589 $24,546,909 $8,787,048 36.65
13). 124 Louisiana Tech C-USA $22,209,912 $21,849,418 $9,683,929 43.60
* Rice not list

AAC Athletic Budgets (ODU would have the 7th highest)

Con Rank National Rank
1). 48 Connecticut AAC $72,155,789 $72,062,423 $28,070,681 38.90
2). 54 Cincinnati AAC $52,536,185 $51,717,370 $23,182,129 44.13
3). 55 Central Florida AAC $51,455,603 $47,647,475 $24,772,104 48.14
4). 58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305 $49,352,531 $18,053,311 36.91
5). 59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012 $46,860,838 $21,774,572 47.88
6). 62 Houston AAC $44,815,210 $45,437,942 $25,994,014 58.00
7). 63 Old Dominion C-USA $43,994,715 $42,780,118 $28,419,259 64.60
8). 65 Memphis AAC $43,430,404 $43,287,138 $18,187,902 41.88
* Tulane and Tulsa not listed

Link.... http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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I'm very surprised as to how both ODU and UNCC stack up on that list. I figured both of us would be further down.
UAB and Southern Miss both have budgets much smaller that I had imagined.
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This raises some questions for me. With our budget being on the high end for G5 schools why are our major sports' coaches paid below average and why can't we afford to pay COA for all athletes when many others can? Do we need to cut some sports to be more competitive? This just doesn't add up. Our performance in men's and women's basketball and football is not reflective of the investment in our athletics program.

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(04-17-2016 04:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  This raises some questions for me. With our budget being on the high end for G5 schools why are our major sports' coaches paid below average and why can't we afford to pay COA for all athletes when many others can? Do we need to cut some sports to be more competitive? This just doesn't add up. Our performance in men's and women's basketball and football is not reflective of the investment in our athletics program.

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Football costs a hell of a lot more than it brings in (and that's pretty much everywhere)
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What does that have to do with what I said? I am comparing us to other schools that have football.

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RE: Conference Athletic Budgets
Additional Budget info comparisons for Schools in CUSA

School general fund subsidy (Least to most)

1) ODU $0
2). Charlotte $355,855
3). UTSA $1,761,776
4). Southern Miss $2,703,940
5). FIU $3,543,000
6). FAU $7,018,524
7). Marshall $8,117,328
8). North Texas -$9,354,805
9). LA Tech $9,683,929
10). UTEP $10,014,493
11). MTSU -$12,293,238
12). UAB -14,106,645
13). WKU $15,793,780

Ticket sale revenues (Most to least)

1). ODU $3,856,010
2). Marshall $3,484,027
3). Southern Miss $2,703,940
4). UTEP $2,485,703
5). WKU $2,224,966
6). UTSA $2,155,482
7). UAB $2,006,402
8). LA Tech $1,723,061
9). North Texas $1,593,007
10). Charlotte $1,573,256
11). MTSU $1,481,486
12). FAU $1,075,903
13). FIU $733,215


Contributions. Donations (most to least)

1). ODU $5,310,592
2). MTSU $4,433,074
3). Charlotte $4,393,765
4). LA Tech $4,258,498
5). Southern Miss $4,189,297
6). Marshall $3,669,735
7). UAB $3,327,715
8). UTSA $3,102,157
9). UTEP $2,907,737
10). North Texas $2,484,532
11). WKU $2,158,797
12). FAU $1,885,080
13). FIU $152,821

rights / licensing (Most to least)
1). UTEP $6,789,503
2). UTSA $6,505,544
3). North Texas $6,209,156
4). Marshall $5,834,799
5). Southern Miss $5,777,084
6). MTSU $5,157,550
7). FAU $5,168,967
8). UAB $4,971,488
9), ODU $4,924,241
10). WKU $4,773,722
11). Charlotte $4,169,596
12). LA Tech $4,013,782
13). FIU $3,954,078
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(04-17-2016 04:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  What does that have to do with what I said? I am comparing us to other schools that have football.

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Football ties up a lot of the budget. Therefore, while the budget is large most of it is spoken for
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RE: Conference Athletic Budgets
(04-17-2016 05:33 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 04:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  What does that have to do with what I said? I am comparing us to other schools that have football.

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Football ties up a lot of the budget. Therefore, while the budget is large most of it is spoken for
Again, the schools that we are compared to ALSO have FOOTBALL. Some have much smaller budgets. The question is why are we not seeing the benefits of that larger budget as it relates to COA and success of the revenue sports.

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RE: Conference Athletic Budgets
(04-17-2016 02:34 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
CUSA Athletic Budgets (ODU has the highest budget among CUSA Schools)

...

AAC Athletic Budgets (ODU would have the 7th highest)

Con Rank National Rank
1). 48 Connecticut AAC $72,155,789 $72,062,423 $28,070,681 38.90
2). 54 Cincinnati AAC $52,536,185 $51,717,370 $23,182,129 44.13
3). 55 Central Florida AAC $51,455,603 $47,647,475 $24,772,104 48.14
4). 58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305 $49,352,531 $18,053,311 36.91
5). 59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012 $46,860,838 $21,774,572 47.88
6). 62 Houston AAC $44,815,210 $45,437,942 $25,994,014 58.00
7). 63 Old Dominion C-USA $43,994,715 $42,780,118 $28,419,259 64.60
8). 65 Memphis AAC $43,430,404 $43,287,138 $18,187,902 41.88

* Tulane and Tulsa not listed

Link.... http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

The questions that pique my curiosity – how can Memphis afford to pay Tubby Smith $3.09 million a year when their total budget is almost identical to ODU’s total budget, and why is it that ODU cannot afford to pay a similar salary for a head basketball coach?

EDIT: I suppose the best guess is that FED EX is paying for it.
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RE: Conference Athletic Budgets
(04-17-2016 05:51 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 02:34 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
CUSA Athletic Budgets (ODU has the highest budget among CUSA Schools)

...

AAC Athletic Budgets (ODU would have the 7th highest)

Con Rank National Rank
1). 48 Connecticut AAC $72,155,789 $72,062,423 $28,070,681 38.90
2). 54 Cincinnati AAC $52,536,185 $51,717,370 $23,182,129 44.13
3). 55 Central Florida AAC $51,455,603 $47,647,475 $24,772,104 48.14
4). 58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305 $49,352,531 $18,053,311 36.91
5). 59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012 $46,860,838 $21,774,572 47.88
6). 62 Houston AAC $44,815,210 $45,437,942 $25,994,014 58.00
7). 63 Old Dominion C-USA $43,994,715 $42,780,118 $28,419,259 64.60
8). 65 Memphis AAC $43,430,404 $43,287,138 $18,187,902 41.88

* Tulane and Tulsa not listed

Link.... http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

The questions that pique my curiosity – how can Memphis afford to pay Tubby Smith $3.09 million a year when their total budget is almost identical to ODU’s total budget, and why is it that ODU cannot afford to pay a similar salary for a head basketball coach?

EDIT: I suppose the best guess is that FED EX is paying for it.

+1 Those are my questions too. Why are the schools that are in the same range as us Memphis, Boise, USF, UCF and ECU able to pay good salaries while we are struggling to keep up with rest of the cusa.
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(04-17-2016 05:51 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 02:34 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  
CUSA Athletic Budgets (ODU has the highest budget among CUSA Schools)

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AAC Athletic Budgets (ODU would have the 7th highest)

Con Rank National Rank
1). 48 Connecticut AAC $72,155,789 $72,062,423 $28,070,681 38.90
2). 54 Cincinnati AAC $52,536,185 $51,717,370 $23,182,129 44.13
3). 55 Central Florida AAC $51,455,603 $47,647,475 $24,772,104 48.14
4). 58 East Carolina AAC $48,918,305 $49,352,531 $18,053,311 36.91
5). 59 South Florida AAC $45,479,012 $46,860,838 $21,774,572 47.88
6). 62 Houston AAC $44,815,210 $45,437,942 $25,994,014 58.00
7). 63 Old Dominion C-USA $43,994,715 $42,780,118 $28,419,259 64.60
8). 65 Memphis AAC $43,430,404 $43,287,138 $18,187,902 41.88

* Tulane and Tulsa not listed

Link.... http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

The questions that pique my curiosity – how can Memphis afford to pay Tubby Smith $3.09 million a year when their total budget is almost identical to ODU’s total budget, and why is it that ODU cannot afford to pay a similar salary for a head basketball coach?

EDIT: I suppose the best guess is that FED EX is paying for it.




Are they paying their coaches from another source totally outside their budget?

For example, Paul Hewitt at GMU was the highest payed State employee in Va. (outrageous for GMU) but he wasn't the highest paid coach.
Although Frank Beamer made more, not one cent was from state funds, but instead a donor based athletic fund. His salary then would not show up as a line item in any official budget.

I can see a Memphis having enough tradition and a fanbase that extends well beyond just alumni (like VT) to be able to do that, wholly or at least in part.
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If you want budget data that includes the private schools, the federal database is here:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
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Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. ** see correction at the bottom....
Correction...

Ouch .... ODU is $251,173,112 Sorry
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Holy crap. How does it cost $4Billion to run a university and I can only imagine ODU is not anywhere close to the top. No wonder people are riddled with debt for half their life. There has got to be an ungodly amount of waste in that.

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(04-17-2016 06:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Holy crap. How does it cost $4Billion to run a university and I can only imagine ODU is not anywhere close to the top. No wonder people are riddled with debt for half their life. There has got to be an ungodly amount of waste in that.

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It is eye opening.....
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(04-17-2016 06:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Holy crap. How does it cost $4Billion to run a university and I can only imagine ODU is not anywhere close to the top. No wonder people are riddled with debt for half their life. There has got to be an ungodly amount of waste in that.

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Stuff costs money.

I wonder if the hundreds of millions ODU does in research is included with that figure. I'm fairly certain (no source) that that is a combo of University funds and grant money.
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Stuff indeed costs money, but is it necessary? With the current atmosphere of outrage toward student debt, I find it astonishing that universities are spending this kind of money while leaving students less prepared for the market than ever and yet managing to not shoulder any of the blame for the student debt problem. People want to throw more money at universities to lower costs for students, but with budgets that large, I don't see any way that the government could throw them enough money to make a dent. Beyond that, with the way schools are spending now, it is hard to imagine that government money would go toward anything but expanding their already outsized budgets.

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(04-17-2016 06:56 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 06:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Holy crap. How does it cost $4Billion to run a university and I can only imagine ODU is not anywhere close to the top. No wonder people are riddled with debt for half their life. There has got to be an ungodly amount of waste in that.

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Stuff costs money.

I wonder if the hundreds of millions ODU does in research is included with that figure. I'm fairly certain (no source) that that is a combo of University funds and grant money.

A closer look shows that the 4 billion dollar expenditures is a total for all of the universities (including 2 year colleges and community colleges) within the Commonwealth of Virginia. ODU's expenditures for the year in question were considerably less at 251M$.

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(04-17-2016 04:50 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 04:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  This raises some questions for me. With our budget being on the high end for G5 schools why are our major sports' coaches paid below average and why can't we afford to pay COA for all athletes when many others can? Do we need to cut some sports to be more competitive? This just doesn't add up. Our performance in men's and women's basketball and football is not reflective of the investment in our athletics program.

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Football costs a hell of a lot more than it brings in (and that's pretty much everywhere)

Isn't the argument for having football is that, it + BB are the money makers that pay for the rest of the sports?
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(04-17-2016 06:32 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  Old Dominion's total operating budget for the University in the 2013-14 year as reported by the Virginia Public Higher Education Institutions list our EXPENDITURES PER ANNUAL at $4,172,369,827. The athletic side is only 2.969% of the total budget


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Link.... https://www.odu.edu/content/dam/odu/offi...an2016.pdf

$4,172,369,827

That is INSANE to me.
In the Fall I will be taking a course with no instructor. It will be just online and somebody will grade stuff after the fact. I'll just be watching pre - recorded videos, or presentations or what ever they plan to do. And it's for a rather intense course (Thermodynamics).
For $1,000 this is the crap I get.
There are far too many contract or Adjunct's teaching as it is.
$4 Billion?! my god.
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