(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

And how many people do you know who have kids in charter schools?

How many school age kids do you have?

I ask this because you state this as someone who spits out the standard propaganda against charter schools, giving no reasons for your beliefs.

Most (definitely not all) in the Atlanta area do very well, often with challenging populations. In our county, we have one that targets inner city minority kids and has almost single-handedly revitalized a neighborhood, another that targets special needs kids, especially autistic and another that targets immigrants. There are a total of 10 startup charters, each with a different target population.

(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

Id like to hear what constitutes the scam in this. Personally, coming from extremely pro public school household(Mother that taught 31 years) I hold the belief that it makes very little difference what school a child attends. The real factor is the amount of family involvement in that child's education. I would in fact submit that Charter schools have the highest amount of parental involvement(next to homeschooling) of any form of education. It is a shame that these parents do not choose to put the same level of involvement in the public schools and strive to improve them...but...to say that Charter schools are a scam? That is an absurd assertion.

(03-18-2016 09:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

Id like to hear what constitutes the scam in this. Personally, coming from extremely pro public school household(Mother that taught 31 years) I hold the belief that it makes very little difference what school a child attends. The real factor is the amount of family involvement in that child's education. I would in fact submit that Charter schools have the highest amount of parental involvement(next to homeschooling) of any form of education. It is a shame that these parents do not choose to put the same level of involvement in the public schools and strive to improve them...but...to say that Charter schools are a scam? That is an absurd assertion.

agree with all, but the bolded hits home having moved to the 'sip and changing from private to public in '74 (4th grade)

not all are created eqaul.....yet....such is life.....however, the household environment provides more opportunity than any education can provide.....

well said and a succinct synopsis on the real problem that is occurring....

(03-18-2016 09:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

Id like to hear what constitutes the scam in this. Personally, coming from extremely pro public school household(Mother that taught 31 years) I hold the belief that it makes very little difference what school a child attends. The real factor is the amount of family involvement in that child's education. I would in fact submit that Charter schools have the highest amount of parental involvement(next to homeschooling) of any form of education. It is a shame that these parents do not choose to put the same level of involvement in the public schools and strive to improve them...but...to say that Charter schools are a scam? That is an absurd assertion.

agree with all, but the bolded hits home having moved to the 'sip and changing from private to public in '74 (4th grade)

not all are created eqaul.....yet....such is life.....however, the household environment provides more opportunity than any education can provide.....

well said and a succinct synopsis on the real problem that is occurring....

Another factor in the success of charter schools is that many of them operate all year. Even my mother who taught for decades will say that she spent almost a month each year getting the kids caught up the Summer breaks. There is really today no reason for public schools to not be year round.

(03-18-2016 09:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 09:04 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

Id like to hear what constitutes the scam in this. Personally, coming from extremely pro public school household(Mother that taught 31 years) I hold the belief that it makes very little difference what school a child attends. The real factor is the amount of family involvement in that child's education. I would in fact submit that Charter schools have the highest amount of parental involvement(next to homeschooling) of any form of education. It is a shame that these parents do not choose to put the same level of involvement in the public schools and strive to improve them...but...to say that Charter schools are a scam? That is an absurd assertion.

agree with all, but the bolded hits home having moved to the 'sip and changing from private to public in '74 (4th grade)

not all are created eqaul.....yet....such is life.....however, the household environment provides more opportunity than any education can provide.....

well said and a succinct synopsis on the real problem that is occurring....

Another factor in the success of charter schools is that many of them operate all year. Even my mother who taught for decades will say that she spent almost a month each year getting the kids caught up the Summer breaks. There is really today no reason for public schools to not be year round.

see china, korea (south obviously)....the asians are whoopin' our spoiled pathetic arse nutz.....

if the puppies want to survive, continually develop, and engorge, the blue pill doesn't provide that satisfaction....

you just tapped into one of my pet peeves.....only small breaks in the learning cycle is critical moving forward.....

is kinda like having a fk'n job and understanding what that involves....small bursts in spurts as they sprout is what I say....

(03-18-2016 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Charter schools suspended higher percentages of black students and students with disabilities than traditional schools did. The overall difference between suspension rates in charters versus traditional schools isn't huge: In the 2011-12 academic year, charters suspended 7.8 percent of all students, compared with 6.7 percent for noncharters. But these gaps increase when you look at who is getting suspended: In charter schools, black students and students with disabilities were suspended at higher percentages in all grades than their peers in traditional schools. In middle and high schools, 12 percent more students with disabilities and 2.5 percent more black students were suspended in charters compared with noncharters.
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Why is that "disturbing"?

(03-18-2016 10:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Charter schools suspended higher percentages of black students and students with disabilities than traditional schools did. The overall difference between suspension rates in charters versus traditional schools isn't huge: In the 2011-12 academic year, charters suspended 7.8 percent of all students, compared with 6.7 percent for noncharters. But these gaps increase when you look at who is getting suspended: In charter schools, black students and students with disabilities were suspended at higher percentages in all grades than their peers in traditional schools. In middle and high schools, 12 percent more students with disabilities and 2.5 percent more black students were suspended in charters compared with noncharters.
Link

Why is that "disturbing"?

b/c he's a little self absorbed whiny biatch....

(03-18-2016 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Charter schools suspended higher percentages of black students and students with disabilities than traditional schools did. The overall difference between suspension rates in charters versus traditional schools isn't huge: In the 2011-12 academic year, charters suspended 7.8 percent of all students, compared with 6.7 percent for noncharters. But these gaps increase when you look at who is getting suspended: In charter schools, black students and students with disabilities were suspended at higher percentages in all grades than their peers in traditional schools. In middle and high schools, 12 percent more students with disabilities and 2.5 percent more black students were suspended in charters compared with noncharters.

Link

Sounds like it's working. Maybe government schools should try suspending troublemakers.

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(03-18-2016 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Kids more likely to have behavioral issues are suspended more from schools which require stricter behavioral issues.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is that more of the students with "behavioral issues" are black.

The black communities need to solve that, but the discipline at the charter school sounds like it is having an over positive impact.

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(03-18-2016 01:37 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I doubt this is the reason charter schools have higher test scores.

It might. Some government schools have no discipline. You don't that affects everyone else, especially those willing to learn?

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(03-18-2016 10:29 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Charter schools suspended higher percentages of black students and students with disabilities than traditional schools did. The overall difference between suspension rates in charters versus traditional schools isn't huge: In the 2011-12 academic year, charters suspended 7.8 percent of all students, compared with 6.7 percent for noncharters. But these gaps increase when you look at who is getting suspended: In charter schools, black students and students with disabilities were suspended at higher percentages in all grades than their peers in traditional schools. In middle and high schools, 12 percent more students with disabilities and 2.5 percent more black students were suspended in charters compared with noncharters.

Link

Sounds like it's working. Maybe government schools should try suspending troublemakers.

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OH NO!!!! Little Johnny has a right to sit in the class regardless of his behavior or his mental capacity!!!!! I PAY for this!!!!! HOW DARE YOU deny my special snowflake their right to the same level of education that everyone else gets!!! Fcking Facist PIGS!!!

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Kids more likely to have behavioral issues are suspended more from schools which require stricter behavioral issues.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is that more of the students with "behavioral issues" are black.

Why do you suppose that black students have more behavioral issues?

They don't, that's the problem.

In my experience, they do, per capita. It isn't most of them and trouble comes from all races, but per capita, there is no data that suggests otherwise nor is there evidence of institutional racism at charter schools, which I think you are implying.

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The breakdown of the nuclear family is the reason behind this.

(03-18-2016 03:04 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Charter schools are as big a scam as for profit schools.

The numbers are the numbers. They do better. We are lucky enough to have some good public schools here (at least until middle school), but don't tell me you'd send your kid there in a big city like DC or Philly.

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(03-18-2016 04:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 03:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 02:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 02:21 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They don't, that's the problem.

Isn't that for the teachers and administrators to decide?

What are you driving at? Are you calling the teachers liars?

If the percentages of students getting suspended is disproportionately black then that doesn't make them liars. It makes them something else.

Playing the race card I see. Typical. Could it actually be the students fault? Why in the hades is it always someone else's fault?

Of course it could be the students fault. The problem is that if all things are equal, the percentages should be the same across all races. When one race gets suspended above all others, there's a problem.

There is a problem, but there is no solution that involves central planning. They need to figure it out on their own culturally. It's simple: obey the law, avoid teen pregnancy, avoid drugs and alcohol, be involved and don't withdraw, and 2 person household. Wait until marriage before children and if you knock a girl up, do the right thing even if it is short of marrying her.

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(03-18-2016 04:29 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:34 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Kids more likely to have behavioral issues are suspended more from schools which require stricter behavioral issues.

I don't see the problem.

The problem is that more of the students with "behavioral issues" are black.

so the schools are just supposed to let the black kids act out? bull****. It's on the parents.

To oversimplify, yes, but that is one factor in the overall culture.

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(03-18-2016 10:43 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  The breakdown of the nuclear family is the reason behind this.

Without question....Even before integration despite the funding and facility disparity.

My Mom was one of the first white teachers in what was an segregated public school in Wilmington NC. She had to be driven into the school by the police. The one thing she can say about that experience was that the children were "very well behaved and the parents tried hard to help them despite their lack of prior education." She ended her teaching career in a rural NC town and would now tell you that we have for sure lost our way in regard to the breakdown of the family. She had very few parents that would bother to show up for teacher/parent conferences. That never happened when she first started teaching in 1958.

(03-18-2016 06:29 PM)spankadelphia Wrote:  What has been really eye opening the last couple of years is just how out of touch many leftists are with reality as it relates to social issues. I see it in Facebook posts from SWPL's who were upper middle class and left Memphis after high school never to return.

These are the kind of people who blame "racism" for white flight to this day. They are completely divorced from the realities of what progressive politics have done to inner city communities.

They aren't completely out of touch, they are good at identifying problems, but their solutions are purely academic, theoretically based that only worsen the problem.

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Simply another attempt to dumb any other school model down to the level of Epic Fail that we see daily from our government schools. Much of what we see and tolerate in these places is simply embarrassing. Maybe criminal.

(03-18-2016 04:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 03:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 02:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 02:21 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-18-2016 01:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They don't, that's the problem.

Isn't that for the teachers and administrators to decide?

What are you driving at? Are you calling the teachers liars?

If the percentages of students getting suspended is disproportionately black then that doesn't make them liars. It makes them something else.

Playing the race card I see. Typical. Could it actually be the students fault? Why in the hades is it always someone else's fault?

Of course it could be the students fault. The problem is that if all things are equal, the percentages should be the same across all races. When one race gets suspended above all others, there's a problem.

Why would the bold be true? It's the equivalent of forcing square peg into a round hole.