(02-09-2016 02:22 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Any part that says that Zimmerman committed any crime.

I've never said he committed a crime.

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. But enough people certainly did that you can't deny it was part of the Zimmerman case.

I agree with that. By the same token, Zimmerman has done so much bad stuff since then that many have reconsidered what actually took place on that night.

What he has done since has no bearing on what happened that night.

You are correct. I'm simply saying that a lot of people have reconsidered what they originally thought about him.

(02-09-2016 02:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 02:22 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I've never said he committed a crime.

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. But enough people certainly did that you can't deny it was part of the Zimmerman case.

I agree with that. By the same token, Zimmerman has done so much bad stuff since then that many have reconsidered what actually took place on that night.

What he has done since has no bearing on what happened that night.

You are correct. I'm simply saying that a lot of people have reconsidered what they originally thought about him.

That's not what you said at all. You claimed that many have "reconsidered what actually took place on that night". That's completely different than their original thoughts of him.

Let's talk about how this Hilary email thing is bs. Take the Z stuff elsewhere.

(02-09-2016 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What part of the Zimmerman case has been made that wasn't factual?

Any part that says that Zimmerman committed any crime.

I've never said he committed a crime.

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. But enough people certainly did that you can't deny it was part of the Zimmerman case.

I agree with that. By the same token, Zimmerman has done so much bad stuff since then that many have reconsidered what actually took place on that night.

who are the "many"?

(02-02-2016 10:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Only time I hear if it is when I come on here. It's getting no traction in the main stream press. It does have me honestly worried though.

To answer the question in the title, yes. There isn't enough there for anyone other than those that oppose her to care.

(02-09-2016 03:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Only time I hear if it is when I come on here. It's getting no traction in the main stream press. It does have me honestly worried though.

To answer the question in the title, yes. There isn't enough there for anyone other than those that oppose her to care.

(02-09-2016 08:28 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  To get back on topic, the answer to the OP is a deafening yes. Hillary's email scandal will continue to stay in the news, and not just that of the so-called "right-wing".
MSNBC
Buzzfeed
NYTimes
DAilyKos
DAily Beast

Quote:She has said the federal email investigation was “nonsense” and the FBI said last fall that it could neither confirm nor deny the existence of any investigation.

Clinton audaciously told moderator Chuck Todd during the Democratic debate that there was no investigation but rather a “security review” that would eventually involve a number of people, “because we’ve got this absurd situation of retroactive classifications.”

But just one day before the New Hampshire primary, a letter from the FBI has surfaced calling the probe into Hillary Clinton’s secret email server an “ongoing law enforcement effort.”

http://www.youngcons.com/fbi-makes-it-of...stigation/

Those aren't exactly "right wing echo chamber" sites listed above. It has enough traction that it will dog her right on up to and through the general election.

Those aren't exactly "right wing echo chamber" sites listed above. It has enough traction that it will dog her right on up to and through the general election.


Which was the whole point of it. Red Team over country.

(02-09-2016 03:18 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those aren't exactly "right wing echo chamber" sites listed above. It has enough traction that it will dog her right on up to and through the general election.


Which was the whole point of it. Red Team over country.

Red team over putting an unethical lair in charge of the country.

(02-09-2016 03:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Only time I hear if it is when I come on here. It's getting no traction in the main stream press. It does have me honestly worried though.

To answer the question in the title, yes. There isn't enough there for anyone other than those that oppose her to care.

Notice how Mach has moved the goal posts...

"I never hear about this on the main stream" has been demonstrably shown as false. So now its "yea but shell never be prosecuted for it".

(02-09-2016 03:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 03:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Only time I hear if it is when I come on here. It's getting no traction in the main stream press. It does have me honestly worried though.

To answer the question in the title, yes. There isn't enough there for anyone other than those that oppose her to care.

Notice how Mach has moved the goal posts...

"I never hear about this on the main stream" has been demonstrably shown as false. So now its "yea but shell never be prosecuted for it".

A board first! Perhaps we should have him banned?

(02-09-2016 10:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No,

It is the right who is politicizing the criminal justice system. We had two other Republican Secretary of States do something very familiar. You can argue semantics. It's a total grey area. There won't be an indictment and that there is even an investigation is highly politicized.

Red Team over Country.

Yea, the FBI routinely dedicates agents in the HUNDRED(S) to things called "security reviews". Except, whoop, they don't.

They investigate CRIMES, and potential criminal activity.

"Security review"

She just pissed off a whole bunch of dedicated, career, law enforcement officials.

(02-09-2016 02:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Let's talk about how this Hilary email thing is bs. Take the Z stuff elsewhere.

For once, I agree with you Mach, not about the Bs part though. Gotta keep Clinton's transgressions in the limelight. This isn't a Zman thread

(02-09-2016 03:46 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No,

It is the right who is politicizing the criminal justice system. We had two other Republican Secretary of States do something very familiar. You can argue semantics. It's a total grey area. There won't be an indictment and that there is even an investigation is highly politicized.

Red Team over Country.

Yea, the FBI routinely dedicates agents in the HUNDRED(S) to things called "security reviews". Except, whoop, they don't.

They investigate CRIMES, and potential criminal activity.

"Security review"

She just pissed off a whole bunch of dedicated, career, law enforcement officials.

Just curious.

Did you previously or currently work for the FBI?

How does the FBI normally investigates things like this? How many agents do they typically involve in their cases? Also, in your expert opinion, is this case unique from their normal investigations?

Yep red team over country. Damn the consequences. They have Hillary's poll numbers to dismantle.

(02-09-2016 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 12:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 11:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 10:38 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 02:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What part of the Zimmerman case has been made that wasn't factual?

Any part that says that Zimmerman committed any crime.

I've never said he committed a crime.

Maybe you did, maybe you didn't. But enough people certainly did that you can't deny it was part of the Zimmerman case.

I agree with that. By the same token, Zimmerman has done so much bad stuff since then that many have reconsidered what actually took place on that night.

I don't know many who have reconsidered. I don't know anyone who didn't consider him a first class sleazebag from the first reports of the incident. But being a first class sleazebag constitutes neither a crime nor evidence to support conviction for another crime.

The really sad thing is that if there had not been a rush to judgement, I think the odds are pretty good that he would have done something by now that was tantamount to a confession and would have provided the missing evidence needed to convict. But now is too late.

(02-09-2016 04:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep red team over country. Damn the consequences. They have Hillary's poll numbers to dismantle.

How is investigating Hillary for probable crimes damaging for the country? Especially when said crimes could have actually severely damaged the country?

(02-09-2016 04:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep red team over country. Damn the consequences. They have Hillary's poll numbers to dismantle.

I had no idea the FBI = Red Team.

Also, Bernie is doing a pretty good hatchet job on Hillary's poll numbers right now. Second poll out that shows hermassive 30point+ national lead has been erased.

(02-09-2016 04:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 03:46 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 10:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  No,

It is the right who is politicizing the criminal justice system. We had two other Republican Secretary of States do something very familiar. You can argue semantics. It's a total grey area. There won't be an indictment and that there is even an investigation is highly politicized.

Red Team over Country.

Yea, the FBI routinely dedicates agents in the HUNDRED(S) to things called "security reviews". Except, whoop, they don't.

They investigate CRIMES, and potential criminal activity.

"Security review"

She just pissed off a whole bunch of dedicated, career, law enforcement officials.

Just curious.

Did you previously or currently work for the FBI?

How does the FBI normally investigates things like this? How many agents do they typically involve in their cases? Also, in your expert opinion, is this case unique from their normal investigations?

Please stop focusing on the individual posters, as per the AUP. Thanks.

Not unique as an investigation in the least, pretty run of the mill for them. They investigate racketeering, white collar crimes, governmental malfeasance, security breaches all the time. Cank potentially fits all 4, maybe more.

The interactions I've had with the FBI generally involved teams of 2, maybe 2 teams of 2, depending.

Though admittedly none of the instances where I had contact with or a visit from/with them rose anywhere NEAR the level of criminal activity potentially involved here. So, indeed it is pretty instructive based on the enormous amount of resources they are pouring into this.

It's rather astonishing, really.

Astonishing or a political witch hunt. You decide.

(02-09-2016 05:19 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-09-2016 04:35 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Yep red team over country. Damn the consequences. They have Hillary's poll numbers to dismantle.

How is investigating Hillary for probable crimes damaging for the country? Especially when said crimes could have actually severely damaged the country?

^^^ all day long and the eighth one too....