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Its the Hillary/Rubio defense.

Can you believe those two are the favorites to be nominated?

Well everybody else did it.
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(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.

Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.

In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.

Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.

None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

MSLSD 03-lmfao

Oh, and this:

Quote:Colin Powell told NBC News he strongly disputed that the information in the messages was classified, and characterized the contents as innocuous. Said Powell, “I wish they would release them so that a normal, air-breathing mammal would look at them and say, ‘What’s the issue?’”

Far cry from names, sources and methods, and some 1200++ emails. Can't wait to start hearing about the really bad ones that they actually DID attempt to delete, can only imagine what's contained there.

But, what can one say? $675,000 for a few 20 minute speeches will pay for a LOT of loyya's. Talk about bought and paid for. 03-thumbsup
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In a statement, Powell said the emails were from his executive assistant. He said they were forwarded messages that two U.S. ambassadors sent to members of the State Department's staff. "My executive assistant thought I should see them in a timely manner so sent them to my personal account," he said.

He said that while the department now has said they are "confidential," which is a low level of classification, both messages were unclassified at the time and that there was no reason not to forward them to his personal account.

"I have reviewed the messages and I do not see what makes them classified," Powell said. "The ambassadors did not believe the contents were confidential at the time and they were sent as unclassified."

"If the department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified, that is an opinion of the department that I do not share."
....

Georgia Godfrey, chief of staff for Rice, said Rice did not use email as secretary nor have a personal email account. She said it's her understanding that the emails in question were sent to Rice's assistant, "reporting diplomatic conversations and they contained no intelligence information."
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(02-04-2016 05:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So wait......receiving classified information over private email is bad now?

Always was...as long as it was marked classified from the jump.

Nope. "Sorry".

"Marked or unmarked". It makes NO difference, read the NDA she agreed to and signed.
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(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.

Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.

In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.

Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.

None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

I say...Prosecute anyone that does this schit.07-coffee3
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(02-04-2016 06:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Always was...as long as it was marked classified from the jump.
Always was... even if it wasn't marked classified.
If it wasn't marked, it wasn't' classified AT THAT TIME. Try to keep up.
No, not true.
Yes, true.

What's the highest security clearance you have ever held? From what source did you obtain your knowledge about how the security system works?
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(02-04-2016 10:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 06:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Always was... even if it wasn't marked classified.
If it wasn't marked, it wasn't' classified AT THAT TIME. Try to keep up.
No, not true.
Yes, true.

What's the highest security clearance you have ever held? From what source did you obtain your knowledge about how the security system works?

He slept at a Holiday Inn Express!

He's also in full on Tanker 61 mode. Team over country.
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(02-04-2016 10:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 06:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Always was... even if it wasn't marked classified.
If it wasn't marked, it wasn't' classified AT THAT TIME. Try to keep up.
No, not true.
Yes, true.

What's the highest security clearance you have ever held? From what source did you obtain your knowledge about how the security system works?

I'm very interested in knowing this as well. Because by his logic all verbal communication can never be classified.
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(02-04-2016 04:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's over for the righties. They were basing their whole campaign on this issue. Nominate Cruz. See how far he gets you.

Face it, this issue was your only hope.

Face it, you think if it ain't white, it ain't right.
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(02-04-2016 06:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Always was...as long as it was marked classified from the jump.
Always was... even if it wasn't marked classified.
If it wasn't marked, it wasn't' classified AT THAT TIME. Try to keep up.

No, not true.

Yes, true.

Link? Source? The voices in your head don't count.
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Grubers gonna gruber.....
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(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.
Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.
In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.
Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.
None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.
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(02-04-2016 11:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.
Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.
In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.
Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.
None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.

The big difference is that the material between Rice's assistants and Powell was that:

1. It was not classified at the time
2. Shouldnt be classified now
3. As SOS, they own the classification of their own department information, therefore have the ability to declassify it even if it was classified at the time it was sent.( It was not, which is why they didnt need to declassify it ) Also, the material originated on unsecure servers. This material did not jump from a secure to unsecure system. It was sent unsecure, and resent unsecured, because it was not classified at the time.

This is what Hillary's team and the current state department tried to do. They tried to say that the Obama state department could declassify her material and make it legal. That is only true of material originating from the state department. Her problem is that she had highly classified material that originated from other departments, and the state department isnt allowed to declassify that material. The whole brew-haha over those two emails earlier in the year was to try to get those departments to say those emails arent classified. That didnt happen. Since then, more "above top secret" materal has been found, as confirmed by the right wing conspirators of the Obama state department. Some of this material is at the highest level of classification, so high that the IG had to have his top secret security clearance elevated to the highest level just to be allowed by law to read it.

Also some material on her server is both classified and remains classified. She has tried to modify her claims that this is just an inter-department disagreement on the classification. It is not. There is no disagreement on human intelligence, SAP, and other born classified matierial.

She's toast. The FBI will refer her to the AG. Not sure what the AG will do, but at that point it wont matter.
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(02-05-2016 08:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 11:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.
Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.
In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.
Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.
None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.

The big difference is that the material between Rice's assistants and Powell was that:

1. It was not classified at the time
2. Shouldnt be classified now
3. As SOS, they own the classification of their own department information, therefore have the ability to declassify it even if it was classified at the time it was sent.( It was not, which is why they didnt need to declassify it ) Also, the material originated on unsecure servers. This material did not jump from a secure to unsecure system. It was sent unsecure, and resent unsecured, because it was not classified at the time.

This is what Hillary's team and the current state department tried to do. They tried to say that the Obama state department could declassify her material and make it legal. That is only true of material originating from the state department. Her problem is that she had highly classified material that originated from other departments, and the state department isnt allowed to declassify that material. The whole brew-haha over those two emails earlier in the year was to try to get those departments to say those emails arent classified. That didnt happen. Since then, more "above top secret" materal has been found, as confirmed by the right wing conspirators of the Obama state department. Some of this material is at the highest level of classification, so high that the IG had to have his top secret security clearance elevated to the highest level just to be allowed by law to read it.

Also some material on her server is both classified and remains classified. She has tried to modify her claims that this is just an inter-department disagreement on the classification. It is not. There is no disagreement on human intelligence, SAP, and other born classified matierial.

She's toast. The FBI will refer her to the AG. Not sure what the AG will do, but at that point it wont matter.

Yes. What he said. Mach and Tom will likely gloss over it though, team over country.
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(02-04-2016 07:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 05:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 04:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So wait......receiving classified information over private email is bad now?

Always was...as long as it was marked classified from the jump.

Nope. "Sorry".

"Marked or unmarked". It makes NO difference, read the NDA she agreed to and signed.

You read it, because that's not at all what it says. It only says that she can't disclose any classified information without authorization. She's never been found to have done this that I'm aware of.

Then, she signed a second NDA for other classified information. That one only speaks to negligent handling of classified information, but it goes on to say that she is responsible for determining if the information was classified. None of this information so far was found to have a classified stamp on it. So she gets to determine whether it's classified. And sorry Owl #'s but she has a double-secret gold lined security clearance just like you claim to have had and she determined the stuff was not classified at that time.

This notion by all you internet message board top secret security "experts" that every person with a high-level clearance can look at any piece of information and all agree that yep it's classified, is ludicrous.
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(02-05-2016 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This notion by all you internet message board top secret security "experts" that every person with a high-level clearance can look at any piece of information and all agree that yep it's classified, is ludicrous.

Nope it's not. And since you have had Zero experience with classified information, you are in no place to make such a statement.
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(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 08:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 11:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.
Quote:The State Department’s Inspector General has found classified information sent to the personal email accounts of former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the senior staff of former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, NBC News has learned.
In a letter to Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy dated Feb. 3, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick said that the State Department has determined that 12 emails examined from State’s archives contained national security information now classified “Secret” or “Confidential.” The letter was read to NBC News.
Two of the messages were sent to Powell’s personal account, and 10 were sent to personal accounts of Rice’s senior aides, the letter said.
None of the messages were marked classified when originally sent, and none were determined to include information from the intelligence community, Linick said in the document.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.

The big difference is that the material between Rice's assistants and Powell was that:

1. It was not classified at the time
2. Shouldnt be classified now
3. As SOS, they own the classification of their own department information, therefore have the ability to declassify it even if it was classified at the time it was sent.( It was not, which is why they didnt need to declassify it ) Also, the material originated on unsecure servers. This material did not jump from a secure to unsecure system. It was sent unsecure, and resent unsecured, because it was not classified at the time.

This is what Hillary's team and the current state department tried to do. They tried to say that the Obama state department could declassify her material and make it legal. That is only true of material originating from the state department. Her problem is that she had highly classified material that originated from other departments, and the state department isnt allowed to declassify that material. The whole brew-haha over those two emails earlier in the year was to try to get those departments to say those emails arent classified. That didnt happen. Since then, more "above top secret" materal has been found, as confirmed by the right wing conspirators of the Obama state department. Some of this material is at the highest level of classification, so high that the IG had to have his top secret security clearance elevated to the highest level just to be allowed by law to read it.

Also some material on her server is both classified and remains classified. She has tried to modify her claims that this is just an inter-department disagreement on the classification. It is not. There is no disagreement on human intelligence, SAP, and other born classified matierial.

She's toast. The FBI will refer her to the AG. Not sure what the AG will do, but at that point it wont matter.

Yes. What he said. Mach and Tom will likely gloss over it though, team over country.

Thanks for you concern, but I never once said these things were identical. Only similar in that they both involved personal e-mail.
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(02-05-2016 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 08:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 11:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 03:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  May have also gotten classified information on personal e-mail accounts.
Rice aides, Powell also got classified info on personal emails

The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.

The big difference is that the material between Rice's assistants and Powell was that:

1. It was not classified at the time
2. Shouldnt be classified now
3. As SOS, they own the classification of their own department information, therefore have the ability to declassify it even if it was classified at the time it was sent.( It was not, which is why they didnt need to declassify it ) Also, the material originated on unsecure servers. This material did not jump from a secure to unsecure system. It was sent unsecure, and resent unsecured, because it was not classified at the time.

This is what Hillary's team and the current state department tried to do. They tried to say that the Obama state department could declassify her material and make it legal. That is only true of material originating from the state department. Her problem is that she had highly classified material that originated from other departments, and the state department isnt allowed to declassify that material. The whole brew-haha over those two emails earlier in the year was to try to get those departments to say those emails arent classified. That didnt happen. Since then, more "above top secret" materal has been found, as confirmed by the right wing conspirators of the Obama state department. Some of this material is at the highest level of classification, so high that the IG had to have his top secret security clearance elevated to the highest level just to be allowed by law to read it.

Also some material on her server is both classified and remains classified. She has tried to modify her claims that this is just an inter-department disagreement on the classification. It is not. There is no disagreement on human intelligence, SAP, and other born classified matierial.

She's toast. The FBI will refer her to the AG. Not sure what the AG will do, but at that point it wont matter.

Yes. What he said. Mach and Tom will likely gloss over it though, team over country.

Thanks for you concern, but I never once said these things were identical. Only similar in that they both involved personal e-mail.

Nope not that either. Neither Powell nor Rice used personal email "servers" and conducted their official duties off of said server. Different, not similar.
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(02-05-2016 10:49 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 10:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This notion by all you internet message board top secret security "experts" that every person with a high-level clearance can look at any piece of information and all agree that yep it's classified, is ludicrous.

Nope it's not. And since you have had Zero experience with classified information, you are in no place to make such a statement.

Yes it is. There's a lot more smarter people then you "experts". People putting their name out there. And none of them have been able to put forth anything concrete yet.

And it's ridiculous in the fact that having a clearance in no way makes you an expert on the law, not does it make you an expert of determining what is and what isn't classified. You guys like to pretend that no grey area exists whatsoever, yet we know this to be 100% false by what we've seen in this whole ordeal. You've got several government departments who continually disagree on what was classified and when it was classified. They all have smart people with clearances, yet they don't all agree. Hummmmm.
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(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 08:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-04-2016 11:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The issue is not use of personal e-mail accounts, the issue is use of non-secure servers and communication links. If I access my personal email only through a secure server and link, then there is no violation. I don't know that they did or did not do that, the article does not make that clear.

Without that clarification, it is impossible to determine whether they did what Hillary did.

I'm guessing that you have a personal email. I'm guessing that you can access it at home or at work. It's not the email account, it's the machine that you access it on.

The big difference is that the material between Rice's assistants and Powell was that:

1. It was not classified at the time
2. Shouldnt be classified now
3. As SOS, they own the classification of their own department information, therefore have the ability to declassify it even if it was classified at the time it was sent.( It was not, which is why they didnt need to declassify it ) Also, the material originated on unsecure servers. This material did not jump from a secure to unsecure system. It was sent unsecure, and resent unsecured, because it was not classified at the time.

This is what Hillary's team and the current state department tried to do. They tried to say that the Obama state department could declassify her material and make it legal. That is only true of material originating from the state department. Her problem is that she had highly classified material that originated from other departments, and the state department isnt allowed to declassify that material. The whole brew-haha over those two emails earlier in the year was to try to get those departments to say those emails arent classified. That didnt happen. Since then, more "above top secret" materal has been found, as confirmed by the right wing conspirators of the Obama state department. Some of this material is at the highest level of classification, so high that the IG had to have his top secret security clearance elevated to the highest level just to be allowed by law to read it.

Also some material on her server is both classified and remains classified. She has tried to modify her claims that this is just an inter-department disagreement on the classification. It is not. There is no disagreement on human intelligence, SAP, and other born classified matierial.

She's toast. The FBI will refer her to the AG. Not sure what the AG will do, but at that point it wont matter.

Yes. What he said. Mach and Tom will likely gloss over it though, team over country.

Thanks for you concern, but I never once said these things were identical. Only similar in that they both involved personal e-mail.

Nope not that either. Neither Powell nor Rice used personal email "servers" and conducted their official duties off of said server. Different, not similar.

Did I say server? 03-banghead
02-05-2016 10:56 AM
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