(01-25-2016 05:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I call it the TRUTH, and when the day comes, so will you.

So will ALL men.

You will bow before him. EVERY KNEE WILL BEND.

Woe is to those who who mock Him and His Word in life.

(01-24-2016 01:51 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 09:50 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 09:42 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 06:50 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(01-22-2016 06:46 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Really? Muslims and Jews worship Christ?

No? Jews and Muslims don't recognize the divinity of Christ, which is why they aren't called Christian.

So Christians worship someone that Muslims and Jews don't worship. Can we drop the "They all (Jews, Christians, Muslims) worship the same god trope"

Once you remove the triune god then you remove the "sameness"

No they believe in your God, they just beleive that you're wrong in your understanding of God.

Wrong again.

They reject Jesus Christ, they do NOT believe in Him.

Jesus Christ IS the CREATOR.

You cannot reject him and believe in Him at the same time.

That's the part they think you're wrong about.

You can believe that they are wrong in their beliefs just as they believe you are wrong in yours but you can't say it's a different God. Would you say that Jews that lived before Jesus were worshipping God as you would have at that time? They didn't change after Jesus' birth, they might not be worshipping as you would have them but it's the same God. Hell, doesn't your religion name the Jews as God's chosen people? I get what you're saying but Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam or Judaism by saying they don't worship the same God. Different religion? Yes. Different God? No.

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

You can't.

The Catholic church once recognized that Muslims worship the same god. At the same time, many protestants and evangelicals disagree or are even offended by this notion.

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

Well you can try. Hell, eric made a pretty convincing argument that Catholics actually worship a Sun God because he's uncomfortable with the Church's history.

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

eric made a pretty convincing argument

He made an argument. No one with a functioning brain thought it was convincing.

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

(01-25-2016 01:39 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

eric made a pretty convincing argument

He made an argument. No one with a functioning brain thought it was convincing.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. Obviously he looked like an idiot trying to make that point. And that's my point. You can try.

(01-25-2016 01:11 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You can't demonstrate that it's the truth, therefore I have no reason to believe that it is.

Do you really think threatening use with the apocalypse is going to work?

If you don't believe in it then you have nothing to worry about from your perspective.

Move on with your life and stop worrying about it.

(01-25-2016 01:39 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

eric made a pretty convincing argument

He made an argument. No one with a functioning brain thought it was convincing.

What in the world are you talking about?

What exactly did you disagree with that I posted in this thread?

I said Jesus is the Father in the Bible and every knee is going to bend,.....and you had a problem with that?

huh?

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

(01-25-2016 02:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:39 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

eric made a pretty convincing argument

He made an argument. No one with a functioning brain thought it was convincing.

What in the world are you talking about?

What exactly did you disagree with that I posted in this thread?

I said Jesus is the Father in the Bible and every knee is going to bend,.....and you had a problem with that?

huh?

You're missing some context. We were talking about you're Catholics are Sun Worshippers theory. Go back and read the posts and you'll get it.

(01-25-2016 02:37 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

Oh, how I beg to differ lol.

(01-25-2016 02:37 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:26 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Christians can't decide they want to distance themselves from Islam by saying they don't worship the same God.

Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

You personally would have to actually spend some time studying the ENTIRE bible to have any valid opinions on whats actually in it.

Everyone on the planet has an opinion on it, but very few have read the entire book. Even fewer have studied the entire book.

(01-25-2016 02:42 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're missing some context. We were talking about you're Catholics are Sun Worshippers theory. Go back and read the posts and you'll get it.

I didn't post anything about sun worshipers in this thread.

Its also interesting how thousands of examples of photographic proof are given in the other thread, yet its still a "theory".

There is no denying sun worship practices have been married into many Catholic rituals. Save those who are in denial of course.

Its even more interesting seeing how much it bothers many atheists/agnostics or whatever the newest creative classification of the hour is.

Very interesting responses.

Booga booga!

(01-25-2016 02:43 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:37 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:29 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Oh we can't?

Thanks for the notice, Professor of Theology.

It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

Oh, how I beg to differ lol.

Hence the need for an "objective perspective."

Which is more the correct interpretation: Shia or Sunni?

(01-25-2016 03:23 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:43 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:37 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:34 PM)Hitch Wrote:  It more depends on which version of each religion you ascribe to. Using "christian" and "islam" in a discussion about theological details assumes that the billion or so members of each faith have the same dogmatic principles as everyone else. There are so many branches of each religion that one person's interpretation is essentially irrelevant.

Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

Oh, how I beg to differ lol.

Hence the need for an "objective perspective."

Which is more the correct interpretation: Shia or Sunni?

I'm not nearly studied enough to answer that, but their schism is more rooted in an age-old hierarchical feud as opposed to theology. I believe.

(01-25-2016 03:36 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 03:23 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:43 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 02:37 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-25-2016 01:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Won't argue with that. Speaking for Christianity, I find that fact to be very unfortunate.

The kicker is that, from an objective perspective, each interpretation is equally valid.

Oh, how I beg to differ lol.

Hence the need for an "objective perspective."

Which is more the correct interpretation: Shia or Sunni?

I'm not nearly studied enough to answer that, but their schism is more rooted in an age-old hierarchical feud as opposed to theology. I believe.

Basically it depends on which of Muhammed's relatives you think ran with the "legitimate" version of Islam.